He is saying that "no one was killed inside the square itself" and this has been confirmed since most of the student leaders inside the square went to Taiwan and the West later. He is not saying that no one was killed in the incident. Don't come here and twist things around. You wish that the Chinese gov will fall soon are just your West's well known ill wishes for China.Wow...I have seen many Chinese or pro Chinese who dispute facts from Tienamen but its the first time ive seen someone going so far as saying nobody was killed during the tienamen square event .Lol Even some CCP officials acknowledged some deaths and only disputes the number of deaths..seems you have even gone above CCP propaganda to peoclaim zero death.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter, what is done is done to be honest, we can't change the past. The thing is, the real figures and real history of what happened in tienamen will be known by all Chinese people one day in future the Current CCP wont rule China forever. They will one day be deposed from power like every ruling party in history or at least change of leadership structure and doctrine just like the Russian communist Party changed with the death of Stalin and how soviet leaders revealed the full extent of stalin's massacres and death camps of soviet citizens which where elsewhile unknown to most of the world and Russians. History cant be hiden forever.
In Hong Kong, memories of China's Tiananmen Square massacre are being erased
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Lol why will i wish for something that's inevitable ? Who or what is eternal in life? Nothing or nobody. Political parties/dictators/humans come and go but the country or land always remains. China or the land won't seize to exist with a change of political party, just like China didn't stop to exists with the KMT government lossing power in the mainland or all the other dynasty/monarchy before it.
It seems some of you seem to think the CCP is China and China is the CCP and so China will stop to exist without CCP. Lol . They are just the current ruling political party. It can be another one tomorrow, and that wont change US stance in confronting China for supremacy in world affairs. Same as it won't change China's claims with India or Vietnam or Japan or SCS issue. Its naive for some people to think that a change of government in China will sudeenly make all of this disappear. Lol Even if the KMT was still ruling China they will still have all this claims and in fact they even claimed more than the CCP funny enough and they would have been even more belligerent i believe than the CCP. So ironically its actually a good thing for China's neighbours they lost the civil war.
So political parties are just political parties, they will still hold the country's geopolitical profits and realities at heart.
It is people like you all the time wishing that China will change its gov sooner to better serve you Westerners' interests becos you Westerners don't like CCP and China the current state at large too. I am not for CCP forever, but I am for the history of China should progress peacefully, smoothly and naturally by itself.
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I said no one was killed at Tiananmen Square. I never said no one was killed in so called Tiananmen Square event. Sense the diffence.Wow...I have seen many Chinese or pro Chinese who dispute facts from Tienamen but its the first time ive seen someone going so far as saying nobody was killed during the tienamen square event .
Anyway, it doesn't really matter, what is done is done to be honest, we can't change the past. The thing is, the real figures and real history of what happened in tienamen will be known by all Chinese people one day in future the Current CCP wont rule China forever. They will one day be deposed from power like every ruling party in history or at least change of leadership structure and doctrine just like the Russian communist Party changed with the death of Stalin and how soviet leaders revealed the full extent of stalin's massacres and death camps of soviet citizens which where elsewhile unknown to most of the world and Russians. History cant be hiden forever.
By the way, most of those killed by PLA were not innocent people. They were violent rioters.
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"Violent rioters" mowed down by PLA and its tanks.
You must be high on some grass that these rioters are peaceful.
They are in everyway the violent nature as those Hong Kong rioter. Robbing Chinese soldiers weapon, throw bricks and set fire.
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Are you blind? My profile banner literally is the most support for Kashmir, anti usa and anti Israel. Of course a dull person like you wouldnāt know what it means. Look through my posts and see how much Iāve called out india and Israel.
But fact is China is WORSE THAN INDIA AND ISRAEL RIGHT NOW!
At least Kashmir doesnāt have concentration camps like Chinese do.
Iām a traitor of Pakistan? Your a mushrik Chinese telling me Iām a traitor of my country? LOL. You saying this proves Iām a real Pakistani because Pakistan Ka Matlab Kia, La Illaha Illal Allah. Whoever believes in La Illaha Illal Allah, they would never see Chinese oppressors as their friends or remain silent on injustice.
Cope mushrik, majority of Pakistanis are religious Pakistanis who value their Muslim brothers more then some made up āiron brotherā.
East Turkistan will be free IN SHA ALLAH
Cope Chinese
East Turkistan will be free IN SHA ALLAH !
Allah is with the believers !
Nice smokescreen to lie your intention which is to support hindu indian and american. I see thru your past posting. Stop lying, you traitor. Your past posting has zero post on attacking the american atrocities on american killing Muslim or Israel brutality. All you know is attacking China which serves your master well. The very fact u claim China is worst off than american more or less comfirm my verdict on you.
How many Muslim countries has China invades and destroy for past 20 years? And u got the cheek to even claim China worst than american? LOL.
Pakistan is crumbling becos of people like you who has no dignity but love serving the white supremacists.
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This is getting really boring.
OK here are the facts....again.
The Myth of Tiananmen - Columbia Journalism Review
What is lost in this
The hoax was referring to the massacre at the Square itself where the thousands of students were at.
Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim - Telegraph
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A BBC reporter watching from a high floor of the Beijing Hotel said he saw soldiers shooting at students at the monument in the center of the square. But as the many journalists who tried to watch the action from that relatively safe vantage point can attest, the middle of the square is not visible from the hotel.
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Quote āIn 2009, James Miles, who was the BBC correspondent in Beijing at the time, admitted that he had "conveyed the wrong impression" and that "there was no massacre on Tiananmen Square.ā
The point is very clear. Western media sold the story of thousands of unarmed and peaceful young students were gunned down and rolled over as they were sleeping ???
This was the story that was told to people like you who want to believe such a thing happened. For a good 20 years !
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At about 1:00 am, the army finally reached Tiananmen Square and waited for orders from the government. The soldiers had been told not to open fire, but they had also been told that they must clear the square by 6:00 a.m.ā-no exceptions. They made a final offer of amnesty if the few thousand remaining students would leave. About 4:00 am, student leaders put the matter to a vote: Leave the square, or stay and face the consequences.[105]
The remaining students, numbering a few hundred, left the square under the military's watch before dawn.
Majority of the death occurred on the roads leading to the square when the PLA had to fight their way through road blocks into the square.
Some sources say that protesters first threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at police and army vehicles and lit many vehicles on fire in the streets leading to the Tiananmen, some with their occupants still inside them. There were reports of soldiers being burned alive in their armoured personnel carriers while others were beaten to death. Therefore, soldiers responded by opening fire on protesters. These protesters were mostly workers and not students. Students were mainly at the square.
Hard to say it was a massacre if PLA had to FIGHT their way through.
Apparently last year, Hou Dejian - a June 4th protest leader, came back to the Mainland from TW to give a surprise performance at the Bird's Nest. This is also the student leader who admitted that he never personally saw any killing/weapons firing/tanks running over people on the Square that day.
Tiananmen: The Massacre that Wasn't - Liberation News
OK here are the facts....again.
The Myth of Tiananmen - Columbia Journalism Review
What is lost in this
The hoax was referring to the massacre at the Square itself where the thousands of students were at.
Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim - Telegraph
Quote
A BBC reporter watching from a high floor of the Beijing Hotel said he saw soldiers shooting at students at the monument in the center of the square. But as the many journalists who tried to watch the action from that relatively safe vantage point can attest, the middle of the square is not visible from the hotel.
End Quote
Quote āIn 2009, James Miles, who was the BBC correspondent in Beijing at the time, admitted that he had "conveyed the wrong impression" and that "there was no massacre on Tiananmen Square.ā
The point is very clear. Western media sold the story of thousands of unarmed and peaceful young students were gunned down and rolled over as they were sleeping ???
This was the story that was told to people like you who want to believe such a thing happened. For a good 20 years !
Quote"
At about 1:00 am, the army finally reached Tiananmen Square and waited for orders from the government. The soldiers had been told not to open fire, but they had also been told that they must clear the square by 6:00 a.m.ā-no exceptions. They made a final offer of amnesty if the few thousand remaining students would leave. About 4:00 am, student leaders put the matter to a vote: Leave the square, or stay and face the consequences.[105]
The remaining students, numbering a few hundred, left the square under the military's watch before dawn.
Majority of the death occurred on the roads leading to the square when the PLA had to fight their way through road blocks into the square.
Some sources say that protesters first threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at police and army vehicles and lit many vehicles on fire in the streets leading to the Tiananmen, some with their occupants still inside them. There were reports of soldiers being burned alive in their armoured personnel carriers while others were beaten to death. Therefore, soldiers responded by opening fire on protesters. These protesters were mostly workers and not students. Students were mainly at the square.
Hard to say it was a massacre if PLA had to FIGHT their way through.
Apparently last year, Hou Dejian - a June 4th protest leader, came back to the Mainland from TW to give a surprise performance at the Bird's Nest. This is also the student leader who admitted that he never personally saw any killing/weapons firing/tanks running over people on the Square that day.
Tiananmen: The Massacre that Wasn't - Liberation News
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33 years after 1989, what had happened during these 33 years in China and India.
India's GDP per capita was way higher than China's in 1989, but now it's just 1/6 of China's, what happened to India during the past 33 years?
China's GDPļ¼347.8 billion USD (1989)
India's GDP : 296 billion USD (1989)
China's GDP per capita : 310.88 USD (1989)
India's GDP per capita: 346.11 USD (1989)
33 years later....
China's GDPļ¼US$17.7 trillion (2021)
India's GDP : US$2850 billion (2021)
China's GDP per capita : $12,551 (2021)
india's GDP per capita : $2,091 (2021)
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China bashers only know resorting to slogan shouting and chest thumping, they run away from hard facts and numbers on the ground
One more comparison you forget.
India's staggering COVID-19 death toll could be 6 million: Study
The study suggests 6 million people may have died.
India's staggering COVID-19 death toll could be 6 million: Study
The study suggests 6 million people may have died.BySomayeh Malekian
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This thread isn't about India. Don't derail the topic.
