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MOst certainly however, As we talked about before, it is commercial ties that should be the focus, these can lead to a mutuality of interests and vision.

Pakistanis are particularly weak in this, that is to say, that they "settle" for a semblance instead of the real thing - this si the entire problem with relations with the US and I would point out, with CHina - China has been offering to increase trade with Pakistan, but Pakistani state policy has been a giant failure in this regard - consider, can Pakistani commercial interests supplant Indian commercia interests in trade with China? To a very large degree they can, do they are simply focused elsewhere and the govt types more focused on Aid from the West, instead of trade with the world.

In a similar way, Pakistani policy has failed to bring Indian Indian thinking to consider the economic benefit and instead has fed the Indian obsession with confrontation with Pakistan.

So, yes, lets concentrate on commerce - Turkiye has taken it's trade with Russia to more than $20 billion, let that be an example for us.

I think you have also mentioned cultural values -- we must consider how certain state policies have engendered fear about cultural values instead of a positive impression - that is something we must work on and reverse.

"So, yes, lets concentrate on commerce - Turkiye has taken it's trade with Russia to more than $20 billion, let that be an example for us."
Very practical example, I must say. I think Turkey is not happy with Russia-Armenia friendship but still they (Turkey and Russia) are increasing economic ties. If Pakistan was Turkey and considering the Armenian/Russian relationship, we would have been hostile with Russia because of our lack of vision.
I also want to have civilian to civilian relationship as it will help to mend ties between two countries. I mean military relationship can always be looked upon. Pakistan state policy, is there any state policy? :confused: Anyways, frankly our political leadership is incompetent to deliver, I do not expect anything from them. Military is the only institution which can play a very positive and decisive role, in my opinion. However, we need to have a proper political leadership with think tanks and whatnot so we can form a multi dimensional foreign policy. Indian obsession is a bit legitimate because bullets are coming from both sides, not just Pakistan. Cultural ties, one should try to force our leadership to have cultural ties with China too. Our relationship by in large only depends on military equipment and aid, which is a disastrous state policy. Cultural ties not only plays a solid role in having mutual friendship but it can also pressurize the gov of both countries to help each other. I am up for cultural ties with Russia--this will also help our economy!

We failed to have cultural ties with China but one can always start from ground zero.

One should also be careful because I have read somewhere that the President of the Russian Federation, Dimitry Medvedev had a key post in GAZPROM (energy giant) So, Russia will try to get maximum contracts in energy related sector, just saying...
Vladmir Putin was the man who appointed Medvedev--

"Medvedev was appointed First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government on 14 November 2005. Formerly Vladimir Putin's Chief of Presidential Staff, he was also the Chairman of Gazprom's board of directors, a post he had held for the second time since the year 2000. Medvedev's candidacy was backed by then President Vladimir Putin."
 
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Energy is a basic, I mean, we all need it and there's money to be made in finding, extracting, transporting, refining and retailing -- Do some research about the China-Turkmenistan pipeline and how other stans can inject into it - also see the China-Kazakh pipeline, Also the Iran-Turkmenistan link - in general a energy grid for Asia, for a integrated Asia -- research China's policy of commercial development for it's international partners - then compare where the US companies stand in all of this development and how they use the creation of conflict and buying of politicians to further their agenda in the area.

American friedns do not seem to realize that regardless of the politicians they buy, the ethnic strife they instigate, people of the area simply are not going to buy into the idea that the US business is anything but Mafia - and this Mafia type business simply won't be allowed to succeed, so what US policy needs is a policy of genuine partnership, of mutual profitablity, of mutual benefit that can be supported by the local populations -- the same applies for Pakistan.
 
Energy is a basic, I mean, we all need it and there's money to be made in finding, extracting, transporting, refining and retailing -- Do some research about the China-Turkmenistan pipeline and how other stans can inject into it - also see the China-Kazakh pipeline, Also the Iran-Turkmenistan link - in general a energy grid for Asia, for a integrated Asia -- research China's policy of commercial development for it's international partners - then compare where the US companies stand in all of this development and how they use the creation of conflict and buying of politicians to further their agenda in the area.

American friedns do not seem to realize that regardless of the politicians they buy, the ethnic strife they instigate, people of the area simply are not going to buy into the idea that the US business is anything but Mafia - and this Mafia type business simply won't be allowed to succeed, so what US policy needs is a policy of genuine partnership, of mutual profitablity, of mutual benefit that can be supported by the local populations -- the same applies for Pakistan.

I will certainly look more into that. However, I have a hint of the U.S. based oil companies working in Nigeria, very miserable for the locals.

Yes, you are right. By opening up our markets, we will create immense opportunities for our youth and population in general. Energy sector should be transparent with no kick backs. For that, we need a potent leadership. With new leadership coming in, Pakistan will certainly form a multi dimensional state policy, InshAllah!!!
 
That's the canard I was referring to - after all, do Russians even want a military base in Pakistan?? Look, they have very good relations with Iran, have they asked for a military base?

Why would they want a base ? for a navy less than half it's previous size? for a navy that is forced to abandon it's nuclear subs? -- No, that's just the ambassador using "mirch and Masala" as literary license.

Muse it was not his analysis but the comments from MOSCOW COMMENTATOR. And he seem not to agree to it, like you, when he says in the article:
This might appear an hilarious case of counting chickens before the eggs are hatched - and even by Russian standards it was too much swagger considering that Russia's post-Soviet bluewater navy is barely keeping body and soul together

Over and above, I see very interesting geopolitics around south asia, in next 5-15 years. Pakistan seems to benefit considerably, like India, nd prospects seem really good for Pakistan.

Good Luck.:tup:
 
You know who is actually forming Pakistan's foreign policy apart from army and politicians? Cahoots----
You will see a very positive change in near future, trust me!
 
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A Pakistan-Russian bloc is inevitable, its just a mater of time. with the Us growing interference in CIS and India ditching Russia in favor of US obviously upsets the bear!

as some one mentioned, its gonna be difficult to off set Indian-Russian friendship, i would like to comment that thre are no FRIENDS in international relations, only INTERESTS. and it is in the interest of Russia that it has good relations with Pakistan! and vice versa.

With China also not too keen on this India Us relationship blosoming, it will definately support Pak-russo relations!

It happened in the 1970s and Pakistan was 'gifted' its steel mill by russia! so, im definately supporting the idea that besides the bellicose attitude of India, pakistan will get alot of gifts in the name of 'pipeline' and its indeed a begining of a new international relation.

i wouldnt be surprised if we read the following headline in the newspapers soon:

"India US wedding conducted by Zionist Rabi in jepardy, honeymoon days in Afghanistan numbered!

:smitten::smitten::chilli::chilli::bounce::wave:
 
Changing face of Russia-Pakistan ties​

VLADIMIR RADYUHIN

India will have to learn to live with the new Russian-Pakistani bonhomie, just as Russia has taken India's entanglement with the U.S. in its stride.

Last month's quadripartite summit of Russia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan hosted by President Dmitry Medvedev at the Black Sea resort, Sochi, must have made South Block strategists sit up. From India's perspective, the main outcome was that Moscow decisively moved to de-hyphenate its relations with Islamabad and New Delhi. Little wonder then, that even three weeks after the summit there has been no reaction from New Delhi.

The focus of the Sochi meeting was on the situation in Afghanistan. But it also provided an opportunity for Moscow to turn a page on its relations with Islamabad. For decades these relations had been poisoned, first by Pakistan siding with the United States in the Cold War against the Soviet Union, then by its providing the stage for Mujahideen operations against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan and later by providing the training ground for Chechen rebels. Even after Moscow overcame its bitter memories of the past, relations with Islamabad remained low key. President Pervez Musharraf's visit to Moscow in 2003, first by a Pakistan leader in 33 years, helped to clear the air but failed to break the ice. Russia-Pakistan relations continued to be defined by Moscow's ties with India.

Sochi was a turning point. Mr. Medvedev's bilateral meeting with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari on the sidelines of the summit was marked by uncharacteristic warmth. Noting that “unlike in the past,” he and Mr. Zardari established “very regular, frequent contacts,” and were engaged in “good political dialogue,” Mr. Medvedev called for the two countries “to expand our economic ties too.” He lamented that Russia and Pakistan “have not made much progress in this area yet,” and suggested that the two leaders look at “opportunities for our bilateral economic cooperation and development” as well as “possibilities of working together in a four-party format.”

Mr. Medvedev invited Mr. Zardari to pay an official visit to Russia, while the Pakistani leader extended a similar invitation to his host. Mr. Zardari pointedly noted that it was his fourth meeting with Mr. Medvedev — an unprecedented intensity of interaction, even though all four meetings were held on the sidelines of multilateral events. Next on the agenda is a stand-alone summit. According to Mr. Medvedev's foreign policy aide Sergei Prikhodko, “We are interested in a full-scale visit by the Pakistani President to Russia.”

In another breakthrough for Pakistan, Mr. Medvedev in Sochi gave the green signal for an inaugural meeting of the Russian-Pakistani Inter-Governmental Commission on Trade and Economic and Scientific-Technological Cooperation in Islamabad this month. The two countries agreed to set up the joint commission 10 years ago but Moscow has, till now, blocked its launch.

TWO CONCLUSIONS

Two main conclusions can be drawn from the Medvedev-Zardari meeting: the Russian-Pakistani dialogue has, for the first time, been promoted to the level of Presidents; and Moscow has overcome its reluctance to develop full-fledged relations with Islamabad. The only taboo for Russia still is sale of weapons to Pakistan but its defence technologies have been trickling into Pakistan, mostly through third countries. Ukrainian main battle tanks, T-80, supplied to Pakistan in the 1990s, had Russian-built key systems and components. Following a “private” visit to Russia by Gen. Musharraf and an official visit by army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani last summer, Russia lifted its objections to the supply to Pakistan of Chinese JF-17 fighter planes powered by Russian RD-93 engines. Many years ago, Russia had sold Pakistan over 40 MI-171 transport helicopters of a non-military version.

What has made the Moscow turnaround is the realisation that seeing Islamabad as part of the region's problems does not help to advance the Russian goal of playing a bigger role in the region. The Kremlin finally decided that Pakistan must be part of the solution. The format of four-way cooperation with Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan should help Moscow prepare for the eventual pullback of the U.S.-led forces from Afghanistan: engage Pakistan, return to Afghanistan and tighten Russian hold over the former Soviet Central Asia.

Russia has assiduously been building the new format over the past year. Mr. Medvedev first met the leaders of Pakistan and Afghanistan in Yekaterinburg last summer on the sidelines of an annual summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. At their second meeting in Dushanbe, the trilateral format was expanded to the quadripartite configuration incorporating Tajikistan, which has by far the longest border — 1,200 km — with Afghanistan among the former Soviet states.

In Sochi, the new forum, which Mr. Medvedev described as “a working regional format,” was institutionalised as a permanent arrangement, independent of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and the Collective Security Treaty Organisation, a defence bloc of former Soviet states focussed on Central Asia. The quartet announced that its next summit would take place in Dushanbe and that the foreign and economic ministers of the four countries would hold regular meetings as well.

A joint statement adopted in Sochi highlighted the problems of terrorism and drug-trafficking, which are a source of profound concern for Russia. However, it is joint economic projects that dominated the summit agenda. Russia agreed to join two long-planned regional infrastructure projects that would create energy and transport corridors from Central Asia to Pakistan across Afghanistan.

One project, CASA-1000 (Central Asia-South Asia), involves the export of electricity from power-rich Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Russia is prepared to help to build two hydropower plants in the Central Asian states that will supply electricity for the project. The World Bank, the Asian Development Bank (ADB) and the Islamic Development Bank (IDB) earlier agreed to finance the construction of power lines to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The other project is a motor road and a railway from Tajikistan to Pakistan across the Wakhan corridor in extreme northeast Afghanistan — a buffer the British created at the end of the 19th century between the Russian and British empires. The proposed transport link resurrecting the ancient Silk Road would be a strategic gain for the countries involved. Pakistan will receive direct access to the markets of Central Asia and Russia, while Tajikistan — and Russia — will get access to Pakistani ports. China will also stand to gain, as the road is likely to be linked with the Karakorum Highway connecting Pakistan with China's Xinjiang region.

“Russia may become a donor of economic, social and military-political security for Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan,” Chairman of the Russian Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee Konstantin Kosachev said commenting on the Sochi summit. In Sochi, Mr. Medvedev renewed Russia's offer to rebuild about 140 industrial and infrastructure projects in Afghanistan, which the Soviet Union set up during its 10-year military intervention. The deals may be worth over $1 billion, and may entail further Russian investments in Afghanistan's oil, gas and minerals. Russia's comeback will also encourage many of the 2,00,000 Soviet-educated Afghans, who fled the Taliban to Russia, to return to their homeland.

MILITARY INVOLVEMENT

Putting behind it the painful experience of the Soviet Union's war in Afghanistan, Moscow indicated the willingness to become militarily involved in Afghanistan. Mr. Medvedev told President Hamid Karzai that Russia was ready to supply Mi-17 helicopters and firearms, and help to train more Afghan police. The U.S., which is crafting an exit strategy in Afghanistan, welcomed Russia's new role in the region.

The Barack Obama administration has “a regional strategy for both Afghanistan and Pakistan, and Russia can play an important role along with other countries in the region,” Assistant Secretary of State Philip J. Crowley was quoted as saying in a comment on the Sochi summit. Russia is giving considerable support to the U.S. in Afghanistan in line with the broader “reset” in their bilateral ties, but Washington of course is overly presumptuous to think that Moscow will toe its “strategy” in the region, assuming, of course, that the White House has one.

India could theoretically gain from joint economic projects mooted by Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Some Russian analysts have even suggested that Russia might try to incorporate India in the new alliance. This possibility, however, looks highly remote given the current state of relations between New Delhi and Islamabad. Pakistan has dug in its feet on allowing Indian exports through its territory under the recently concluded Afghanistan-Pakistan Trade and Transit Agreement (APTTA). Meanwhile, the APTTA grants Pakistan the right to trade with Central Asia via the Wakhan corridor. Unless New Delhi succeeds in turning around its relations with Islamabad, it will stand to lose in a big way when a new transport corridor links Pakistan with Central Asia.

The Sochi summit also dimmed India's hopes of gaining a strategic foothold in Tajikistan. India and Russia had planned to jointly use the Ayni airfield, which India helped to renovate, but Indian presence there looks doubtful now in the context of the emerging Russia-Afghanistan-Pakistan-Tajikistan axis. India will, of course, remain Russia's close friend and strategic partner, but it will have to learn to live with the new Russian-Pakistani bonhomie, just as Russia has taken in its stride India's entanglement with the U.S.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article621447.ece?homepage=true
 
Changing face of Russia-Pakistan ties​

VLADIMIR RADYUHIN

India will have to learn to live with the new Russian-Pakistani bonhomie, just as Russia has taken India's entanglement with the U.S. in its stride.

Last month's quadripartite summit of Russia, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan hosted by President Dmitry Medvedev at the Black Sea resort, Sochi, must have made South Block strategists sit up. From India's perspective, the main outcome was that Moscow decisively moved to de-hyphenate its relations with Islamabad and New Delhi. Little wonder then, that even three weeks after the summit there has been no reaction from New Delhi.

The focus of the Sochi meeting was on the situation in Afghanistan. But it also provided an opportunity for Moscow to turn a page on its relations with Islamabad. For decades these relations had been poisoned, first by Pakistan siding with the United States in the Cold War against the Soviet Union, then by its providing the stage for Mujahideen operations against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan and later by providing the training ground for Chechen rebels. Even after Moscow overcame its bitter memories of the past, relations with Islamabad remained low key. President Pervez Musharraf's visit to Moscow in 2003, first by a Pakistan leader in 33 years, helped to clear the air but failed to break the ice. Russia-Pakistan relations continued to be defined by Moscow's ties with India.

Sochi was a turning point. Mr. Medvedev's bilateral meeting with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari on the sidelines of the summit was marked by uncharacteristic warmth. Noting that “unlike in the past,” he and Mr. Zardari established “very regular, frequent contacts,” and were engaged in “good political dialogue,” Mr. Medvedev called for the two countries “to expand our economic ties too.” He lamented that Russia and Pakistan “have not made much progress in this area yet,” and suggested that the two leaders look at “opportunities for our bilateral economic cooperation and development” as well as “possibilities of working together in a four-party format.”

Mr. Medvedev invited Mr. Zardari to pay an official visit to Russia, while the Pakistani leader extended a similar invitation to his host. Mr. Zardari pointedly noted that it was his fourth meeting with Mr. Medvedev — an unprecedented intensity of interaction, even though all four meetings were held on the sidelines of multilateral events. Next on the agenda is a stand-alone summit. According to Mr. Medvedev's foreign policy aide Sergei Prikhodko, “We are interested in a full-scale visit by the Pakistani President to Russia.”

In another breakthrough for Pakistan, Mr. Medvedev in Sochi gave the green signal for an inaugural meeting of the Russian-Pakistani Inter-Governmental Commission on Trade and Economic and Scientific-Technological Cooperation in Islamabad this month. The two countries agreed to set up the joint commission 10 years ago but Moscow has, till now, blocked its launch.

TWO CONCLUSIONS

Two main conclusions can be drawn from the Medvedev-Zardari meeting: the Russian-Pakistani dialogue has, for the first time, been promoted to the level of Presidents; and Moscow has overcome its reluctance to develop full-fledged relations with Islamabad. The only taboo for Russia still is sale of weapons to Pakistan but its defence technologies have been trickling into Pakistan, mostly through third countries. Ukrainian main battle tanks, T-80, supplied to Pakistan in the 1990s, had Russian-built key systems and components. Following a “private” visit to Russia by Gen. Musharraf and an official visit by army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani last summer, Russia lifted its objections to the supply to Pakistan of Chinese JF-17 fighter planes powered by Russian RD-93 engines. Many years ago, Russia had sold Pakistan over 40 MI-171 transport helicopters of a non-military version.

What has made the Moscow turnaround is the realisation that seeing Islamabad as part of the region's problems does not help to advance the Russian goal of playing a bigger role in the region. The Kremlin finally decided that Pakistan must be part of the solution. The format of four-way cooperation with Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan should help Moscow prepare for the eventual pullback of the U.S.-led forces from Afghanistan: engage Pakistan, return to Afghanistan and tighten Russian hold over the former Soviet Central Asia.

Russia has assiduously been building the new format over the past year. Mr. Medvedev first met the leaders of Pakistan and Afghanistan in Yekaterinburg last summer on the sidelines of an annual summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. At their second meeting in Dushanbe, the trilateral format was expanded to the quadripartite configuration incorporating Tajikistan, which has by far the longest border — 1,200 km — with Afghanistan among the former Soviet states.

In Sochi, the new forum, which Mr. Medvedev described as “a working regional format,” was institutionalised as a permanent arrangement, independent of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and the Collective Security Treaty Organisation, a defence bloc of former Soviet states focussed on Central Asia. The quartet announced that its next summit would take place in Dushanbe and that the foreign and economic ministers of the four countries would hold regular meetings as well.

A joint statement adopted in Sochi highlighted the problems of terrorism and drug-trafficking, which are a source of profound concern for Russia. However, it is joint economic projects that dominated the summit agenda. Russia agreed to join two long-planned regional infrastructure projects that would create energy and transport corridors from Central Asia to Pakistan across Afghanistan.

One project, CASA-1000 (Central Asia-South Asia), involves the export of electricity from power-rich Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Russia is prepared to help to build two hydropower plants in the Central Asian states that will supply electricity for the project. The World Bank, the Asian Development Bank (ADB) and the Islamic Development Bank (IDB) earlier agreed to finance the construction of power lines to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The other project is a motor road and a railway from Tajikistan to Pakistan across the Wakhan corridor in extreme northeast Afghanistan — a buffer the British created at the end of the 19th century between the Russian and British empires. The proposed transport link resurrecting the ancient Silk Road would be a strategic gain for the countries involved. Pakistan will receive direct access to the markets of Central Asia and Russia, while Tajikistan — and Russia — will get access to Pakistani ports. China will also stand to gain, as the road is likely to be linked with the Karakorum Highway connecting Pakistan with China's Xinjiang region.

“Russia may become a donor of economic, social and military-political security for Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan,” Chairman of the Russian Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee Konstantin Kosachev said commenting on the Sochi summit. In Sochi, Mr. Medvedev renewed Russia's offer to rebuild about 140 industrial and infrastructure projects in Afghanistan, which the Soviet Union set up during its 10-year military intervention. The deals may be worth over $1 billion, and may entail further Russian investments in Afghanistan's oil, gas and minerals. Russia's comeback will also encourage many of the 2,00,000 Soviet-educated Afghans, who fled the Taliban to Russia, to return to their homeland.

MILITARY INVOLVEMENT

Putting behind it the painful experience of the Soviet Union's war in Afghanistan, Moscow indicated the willingness to become militarily involved in Afghanistan. Mr. Medvedev told President Hamid Karzai that Russia was ready to supply Mi-17 helicopters and firearms, and help to train more Afghan police. The U.S., which is crafting an exit strategy in Afghanistan, welcomed Russia's new role in the region.

The Barack Obama administration has “a regional strategy for both Afghanistan and Pakistan, and Russia can play an important role along with other countries in the region,” Assistant Secretary of State Philip J. Crowley was quoted as saying in a comment on the Sochi summit. Russia is giving considerable support to the U.S. in Afghanistan in line with the broader “reset” in their bilateral ties, but Washington of course is overly presumptuous to think that Moscow will toe its “strategy” in the region, assuming, of course, that the White House has one.

India could theoretically gain from joint economic projects mooted by Russia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Tajikistan. Some Russian analysts have even suggested that Russia might try to incorporate India in the new alliance. This possibility, however, looks highly remote given the current state of relations between New Delhi and Islamabad. Pakistan has dug in its feet on allowing Indian exports through its territory under the recently concluded Afghanistan-Pakistan Trade and Transit Agreement (APTTA). Meanwhile, the APTTA grants Pakistan the right to trade with Central Asia via the Wakhan corridor. Unless New Delhi succeeds in turning around its relations with Islamabad, it will stand to lose in a big way when a new transport corridor links Pakistan with Central Asia.

The Sochi summit also dimmed India's hopes of gaining a strategic foothold in Tajikistan. India and Russia had planned to jointly use the Ayni airfield, which India helped to renovate, but Indian presence there looks doubtful now in the context of the emerging Russia-Afghanistan-Pakistan-Tajikistan axis. India will, of course, remain Russia's close friend and strategic partner, but it will have to learn to live with the new Russian-Pakistani bonhomie, just as Russia has taken in its stride India's entanglement with the U.S.

The Hindu : Opinion / Lead : Changing face of Russia-Pakistan ties

this move can also be Russia's game plan to wean away Pakistan from China..
 
this move can also be Russia's game plan to wean away Pakistan from China..

There are other interests i think.

For example like Russia is interested in the stability of its former Soviet states like Tajikistan,Uzbekistan.

During 1992–1997 Tajikistan civil war Pakistan was a supporter of the Islamic militants parties.(as opposed to Russia,Tajikistan,Uzbekistan )

Wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan does have connections with Central Asian Islamic militants groups.

Also the fact that Pakistan plays a crucial role in the stability of Afghanistan once the US and NATO exit.

So for the Russians Pakistan can't be ignored in any case.I'm believing the Russians are hoping to improve ties with the intent of influencing Pakistan's stand on Afghanistan and CARs.
 
OK now this is something historical and good for Pakistan coming out of Russia without Indian involvement. The Russians probably realized that the great american game in Pakistan atleast has one of its leg supported by Pakistani fears of Indian aggression and its strategic partnership with Russia. We already had the experience in 1971. One the flip side there is an element of truth that Pakistanis will pay in their blood for their allies while the Indians citied neutrality when it came to resuce their "strategic partners" in Afghanistan.

Pakistan occupies a very strategic location on the cross roads of ancient trade roads. It send chilling up Indians bottom everytime they think of the potential they are missing out. Currently either their trade will be blocked by Pakistan or levied with heavy duty. Hence the constant Indian rant of war mongering because annexing atleast half of pakistan would turn economic miracles for India. The Indian nationalism is a hollow is leaking blow doll which must be pumped constantly. Uptil 80's it was socialist ideals of self-identity and wide statehood which held the Indians together and starting 90's till now is rapid capitalism. This hyped economic growth must be sustained by any means to hold India together or else the fundamental of Indian nationalism will collapse and India may be looking backwards in 400+ princely states.

(Dear PDF members, on the announcement of this glorious historical roadmap I kindly request you to embrace for some Indian crying..)
 
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OK now this is something historical and good for Pakistan coming out of Russia

Now it is Pakistan turn to maintain and enhance relations with Russia. France offered Pakistan 'French nuclear deal' but nothing happened. France and Pakistan JF-17 Avionics deal then it was put on hold/canceled. This was all done to blackmail India in signing more lucrative deals. What are Russia's motives ? Are they genuine or just trying to get India's attention ?
 
Russia is geniune because it is realizing that engaging Pakistan in long term idealogical dispute has bore no fruit. Pakistan in turn has retaliated by creating the nascent of drugs usage in Russian society, dealing a severe millitary and economic blow during Afghan war, building stronger partnership with India and permenantly denying Russian influence in any considerable muslim country. And lets not forget being a trade barrier between Russia, Central Asia and India by denying any transits.
 

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