If India and Pakistan Come to Nuclear Blows, Blame U.S.: Mishra

[Galaxy]

it aint gonna be done soon, the hwole process is gonna take 4 years or so. By then pakistan would have done something as well.

We already have 150+ Sukhoi 30MKI operational. Every year 20 will be inducted. Brahmos will also come within 2 years. Even Novator: K-100 is there. MIG29 upgradation will end by 2012-13 Only. We will induct 1-3 Squadron of Rafale/Typhoon in 36 Months as per deal. Production in India will start after 4 years. Tejas, Mirage too will be upto mark. We are improving but in 3-4 years, it would be good. Also, They are Aircraft Fighter, There are many other things.

Retariating my basic point, the world will not let two nuclear powers fight a full fledged war, if you do a surgical strike, we retaliate with a short sskirmish and thats it, it will not go longer than a week, india has a booming economy to look after, US and Russia will come into play, even China, so a war b/w india and pakistan is not on the cards for sometime to come unless something extraordinary happens like ISI assassinating a high profile office holder or doing mumbai multiply by two, OPENLY.

I agree, War is not so easy and not good for both the Nations. I never said, We want war or want to go in War. I personally feel, War is no Option. But few things are not our under control. If God Forbid, some big terrorist attacks happens in India again ?? I don't think War will continue for 1 week. Even, I am not sure about a day. International pressure comes after 1 day or after few hours. Till then War will be over. I don't think Nuke War is Possible. We even have "No First Nuke" But if Pakistan uses then we will not have any option left to retaliate. So, No chance of India using first.

not goin to debate any more than this, you people are obsessed with numbers, those numbers which are at the moment on contracts!! .

Not Exactly, We need to have Quantity and Quality for any kind of Attack. India is not Canada, we have many threats unfortunately. May be it won't happen in next 20 years. Who Knows. Our Defence is for Protection only and it will be like that only. But Thankfully, Our Defence is improving a lot which will help our country for protection. Induction happens after Contracts. In last 3 years, many things inducted in our arsenal. Also, 10 years back, Our Defence was not strong. We are improving our defence with growth of Economy.

 

[Jango]

We already have 150+ Sukhoi 30MKI operational. Every year 20 will be inducted. Brahmos will also come within 2 years. Even Novator: K-100 is there. MIG29 upgradation will end by 2012-13 Only. We will induct 1-3 Squadron of Rafale/Typhoon in 36 Months as per deal. Production in India will start after 4 years. Tejas, Mirage too will be upto mark. We are improving but in 3-4 years, it would be good. Also, They are Aircraft Fighter, There are many other things.


I agree, War is not so easy and not good for both the Nations. I never said, We want war or want to go in War. I personally feel, War is no Option. But few things are not our under control. If God Forbid, some big terrorist attacks happens in India again ?? I don't think War will continue for 1 week. Even, I am not sure about a day. International pressure comes after 1 day or after few hours. Till then War will be over. I don't think Nuke War is Possible. We even have "No First Nuke" But if Pakistan uses then we will not have any option left to retaliate. So, No chance of India using first.



Not Exactly, We need to have Quantity and Quality for any kind of Attack. India is not Canada, we have many threats unfortunately. May be it won't happen in next 20 years. Who Knows. Our Defence is for Protection only and it will be like that only. But Thankfully, Our Defence is improving a lot which will help our country for protection. Induction happens after Contracts. In last 3 years, many things inducted in our arsenal. Also, 10 years back, Our Defence was not strong. We are improving our defence with growth of Economy.

i respect the MKI, but all the others like MRCA and Tejas are going to take another 2 years or so. We might have J-10 by then or good number of JF-17.

 

[Galaxy]

You compared apples with oranges dear. Pakistan is not palestine and your higher military command knows that. I am astonished by the level of idiocy of Bharatis on this thread.

5000 Parahar+5000 Brahmos+5000 Agni. What is this BS.

I have not said Agni. you are using it. I mentioned those things which we need not we have or will have. We have 20 such missiles. I am not counting also.

BJP or Congress or whatever time has proved that a conventional full fledged war in South asia between Pakistan and Bharat is impossible and non practical. No wonder if cold war doctrine came into scene. The problem with you and another Bharati posting on this thread is that you just saw some cool nice wallpapers of some military hardware and started dreaming that we are now the king of the world. Let me tell you even if BJP comes in power it's reaction to any situation won't be different from what it did after parliament attacks or Kargil war.

You can keep demanding your govt for action of course. You might have the capability for surgical strike but you don't have the capability to stop the reaction.

I would have agreed if you said 10 years back. We were not strong at that time. Now, Things will be different. Yes, Full Fledge conventional war possible but that depends completely on Pakistan and not on us. You Might say, why We didn't retailed after Mumbai Attack, May be we needed more time to improve our defence, International pressure, Useless congress government.

Once our defence will be Multi Time better than Pakistan, Then we will talk for Peace for all solution on our terms. This is How International Diplomacy works

 

[Protectionist Gareth]

and we have another fanboy, protectionist gareth weighing in a hypothetical 200 MRCA , 200 + HAL tejas and numerous other hardware representing the blue side. OH man you people need a reality check

Why will pakistan bow down?

Hypothetical?
go and compare real numbers real quality,then come back dud!

 

[Galaxy]

i respect the MKI, but all the others like MRCA and Tejas are going to take another 2 years or so. We might have J-10 by then or good number of JF-17.

Yes, true. I Agree. You will have JF-17,J-10 with more numbers. but by each year passing, Difference of Quality and Quantity will increase. We will have some 1,000 aircraft quality in future in next 10-15 years. I don't think there will be war in next few years as per current situation. May be there won't be war for next 50 years, that also very much possible now.

The main reason is - More the Difference, Less the chance of War, More Benefit for India, If you understand "How". Pakistan will not be in Position to challenge India at all by each year passing. India will win war without going into War. May be defence modernization is because of that only. After all all Defence modernization started by Congress only and not BJP. I am sure 200 Billion $ matters a lot after all India is not a rich country like Japan. May be this is Congress game Plan thanks to 3 Economical expert MMS, Mukherji, Chidambaram.

 

[Areesh]

I have not said Agni. you are using it. I mentioned those things which we need not we have or will have. We have 20 such missiles. I am not counting also.



I would have agreed if you said 10 years back. We were not strong at that time. Now, Things will be different. Yes, Full Fledge conventional war possible but that depends completely on Pakistan and not on us. You Might say, why We didn't retailed after Mumbai Attack, May be we needed more time to improve our defence, International pressure, Useless congress government.

Once our defence will be Multi Time better than Pakistan, Then we will talk for Peace for all solution on our terms. This is How International Diplomacy works

You are seriously delusional boy. Hopefully Indian military won't be that kind of fool. But anyways as I said future won't be different from the past since we weren't a super power in those days when Bharat after all the chest thumping was left with no choice but to move back.

About MRCA or Tejas. I think it is better to talk when first of these would be operational with IAF. For now you are seriously overestimating yourself.

 

[Jango]

Hypothetical?
go and compare real numbers real quality,then come back dud!

you dont have MRCA inducted at the moment, it is only on contract, you havent even chosen the aircraft yet, you dont have Tejas fully operationalized, it will take 2 or 3 years for full induction, then why you indians constantly boast about it. It is like saying that if i am american, i will say yay, we will have sixth generation jet by 15 years, we are working on it. We will have this after 2 years, we will have that after 3 years.

Talk about the present my friend. And why will pakistan bow down?

 

[Executioner]

Just increase our defense budget every year simple.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

man, even pakistani AWACS are not fully operational, neither are your phalcons . INS viraat has Harriers, not much of a force until your MiG's are inducted into navy. Since when can jaguars jam radars??..

Not going to argue anymore with fanboys looking at numbers which are not physically available, just on contract, it takes years to induct adn fully operationalize aircraft man. Not one week.

sir you are blowing this whole thing out of proportion we are simply discussing "methods" MiG-29k are already with Indian naval air arm idk if Viraat can use them or not but i know for sure we have MiG-29k fighters which are classified as a 4.5 gen fighter with considerable ew capability

 

[LiberalAtheist]

we aint gonna nuke you, you aint gonna nuke us,,,simple as that, nukes are just a detrrent as has been proved. The big players will step in, as has been proved.

of course you got hounded, how can you possibly do surgical strikes???,,,you are not US fanboy that has stealthy helis and the wit to make our generals **** in their pants, the moment we knew it was US, we froze, the moment we will know it is India, we will strike hard.

Good bye

You compared apples with oranges dear. Pakistan is not palestine and your higher military command knows that. I am astonished by the level of idiocy of Bharatis on this thread.

5000 Parahar+5000 Brahmos+5000 Agni. What is this BS.

BJP or Congress or whatever time has proved that a conventional full fledged war in South asia between Pakistan and Bharat is impossible and non practical. No wonder if cold war doctrine came into scene. The problem with you and another Bharati posting on this thread is that you just saw some cool nice wallpapers of some military hardware and started dreaming that we are now the king of the world. Let me tell you even if BJP comes in power it's reaction to any situation won't be different from what it did after parliament attacks or Kargil war.

You can keep demanding your govt for action of course. You might have the capability for surgical strike but you don't have the capability to stop the reaction.

obviously you do not know much about military planning anti radiation missiles can destroy radars and whatnot EW comes into play during these kind of things

who mentioned Agni or Prahaar?

you think we are just going to stand by idly and not react when terrorists that are bred and trained on your soil by your intelligence agencies and army come to our nation and kill innocent people? think again CONgress will appease Pakistan BJP will not, and FYI after the parliament attacks we launched operation parakram however Musharaf threatened India with nuclear war had we crossed IB or LoC and these "cool military hardware" are useful idk what nonsense you are blabbing on about by the time we are done with our surgical strikes you won't have time to react surgical strikes are meant to be swift and clean taking less than an hour

what reaction would that be from you? are you telling Pakistan will try to invade India? yeah i can see who is dreaming here

 

[LiberalAtheist]

back to topic we know Pakistan is not a palestine but we could still follow Israel's actions by surgical strikes quick swift clean strikes in enemy territory and thats it

some of the people on here need to know the difference between war and surgical strike

 

[Jango]

obviously you do not know much about military planning anti radiation missiles can destroy radars and whatnot EW comes into play during these kind of things

who mentioned Agni or Prahaar?

you think we are just going to stand by idly and not react when terrorists that are bred and trained on your soil by your intelligence agencies and army come to our nation and kill innocent people? think again CONgress will appease Pakistan BJP will not, and FYI after the parliament attacks we launched operation parakram however Musharaf threatened India with nuclear war had we crossed IB or LoC and these "cool military hardware" are useful idk what nonsense you are blabbing on about by the time we are done with our surgical strikes you won't have time to react surgical strikes are meant to be swift and clean taking less than an hour

what reaction would that be from you? are you telling Pakistan will try to invade India? yeah i can see who is dreaming here

give me one refernece where i said pakistan is going to invade india!!!....and i am well aware of anti radiation missiles, so what about them??,,,,how the hell did you bring anti radiation missiles into this ???....you said that jaguars and phalcon can jam radars, i said that they are not capable of large scale jamming, and you boast about a thing you probably learned an hour ago from wikipedia i.e anti radiation missiles and you tell me they can destroy radar??.....yeaeh they can destroy radar, they are radar wave seeking missiles launched from aircraft....then??,,,,we have them as well fanboy, AGM-88 HARM comes into mind,,,,,you people are a dumb lot.

 

[Jango]

back to topic we know Pakistan is not a palestine but we could still follow Israel's actions by surgical strikes quick swift clean strikes in enemy territory and thats it

some of the people on here need to know the difference between war and surgical strike

see post number 30, and from there on and my reply on post # 31, it was you who shifted from surgical strike to full blown war.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

give me one refernece where i said pakistan is going to invade india!!!....and i am well aware of anti radiation missiles, so what about them??,,,,how the hell did you bring anti radiation missiles into this ???....you said that jaguars and phalcon can jam radars, i said that they are not capable of large scale jamming, and you boast about a thing you probably learned an hour ago from wikipedia i.e anti radiation missiles and you tell me they can destroy radar??.....yeaeh they can destroy radar, they are radar wave seeking missiles launched from aircraft....then??,,,,we have them as well fanboy, AGM-88 HARM comes into mind,,,,,you people are a dumb lot.

i was responding to Areesh in that post

and you asked how we could do that and i simply responded with how we could jam or destroy enemy radar why are you getting all worked up about it?

 

[LiberalAtheist]

see post number 30, and from there on and my reply on post # 31, it was you who shifted from surgical strike to full blown war.

i didn't bring up cold start bro.... do yourself a favor go see what cold start is and find out what surgical strike means surgical strike is not a full blown war well you asked how we could conduct surgical strikes i simply answered your question why you mad bro?