If India and Pakistan Come to Nuclear Blows, Blame U.S.: Mishra

[Jango]

still warmongering i see if you want to debate on this i can

first of all we have strike corps ready to push through enemy territory in blitzkreig fashion you don't think we know about pak retaliation? thats why BSF and IA will be guarding our borders while at the same supporting advancing strike formations we have Jaguars that can jam radar and bomb several areas SU-30MKI has a good strike capability as well, our Phalcon AWACS can jam your radars as well etc IN meanwhile can also support us by having INS Viraat in arabian sea your acting as if we have idiots to lead our military ^__^

your retaliation hmmm depends through nukes or conventional means? you and i both know who would win and who would lose in a conventional conflict bro and we do not have stealth aircraft yet but a good plethora of fighters and bombers with appropriate EW ESM ECM etc

why have you suddenly shifted from surgical strikes on terror camps to cold start??

strike corps are part of every army man, we have them too. INS viraat is not going operational tomorrow nor are the phalcons, even our SAAB 2000 are not fully operational.!,,,Jaguars jamming radars,,,yeah right. ,,,you cant jam the whole of pakistan with your Phalcons!,,,,this post of youurs has completely given your thoughts away, i am not going to argue with you anymore.

And just for the record, the next war of pakistan and india is not going to last more than a week even if it does happen. India does not want to hamper it's economic growth, the US and russia will step in because the world does not want to see two nuclear powers warring with eachother. So it is still a long long way off.

 

[Galaxy]

dude, tell this to punjabi sindhu!

he is saying correct thing.

We have capability but out government is crap. Our Government don't have such intention nor courage. Don't know why ? May be some diplomacy or some other secret reason. I don't know. Wait for few years more. We will say then.

Also, People need to understand how "Surgical attacks are done". Its 10 Billion $ expenditure in 1 hour. Pakistan will retaliate surely, but all will be done within 1 hour before International pressure comes. by the way, We have "No Nuke 1st" which will change into "No Nuke against non-Nuclear country" at appropriate time and any Nuke attack on Border will be considered as "Nuke against India"

Also, Pakistan don't have 2nd Strike Capability. We have. we will have 4 Nuclear Submarine BM with K-4,K-5 MIRV (5,000 KM). It will be only used when no option left. Also, We have to complete ABM first.

 

[Jango]

still warmongering i see if you want to debate on this i can

first of all we have strike corps ready to push through enemy territory in blitzkreig fashion you don't think we know about pak retaliation? thats why BSF and IA will be guarding our borders while at the same supporting advancing strike formations we have Jaguars that can jam radar and bomb several areas SU-30MKI has a good strike capability as well, our Phalcon AWACS can jam your radars as well etc IN meanwhile can also support us by having INS Viraat in arabian sea your acting as if we have idiots to lead our military ^__^

your retaliation hmmm depends through nukes or conventional means? you and i both know who would win and who would lose in a conventional conflict bro and we do not have stealth aircraft yet but a good plethora of fighters and bombers with appropriate EW ESM ECM etc

your INS viraat is not gonna come tomorrow, Phalcon and jaguar cannot jam all of pakistan my friend , not even half of it.

Why have you so suddenly gone from surgical strkie on terror camps to cold start and full fledged war.

And the next war between india an dpakistan is not going to last more than a week, the world does not want to see two nuclear powers at war. india does not want to hamper it's economic boom. Think of all the reprecussions. You had chances for a surgical strike before, my question to you , why not do it then??/

 

[Galaxy]

why have you suddenly shifted from surgical strikes on terror camps to cold start??

strike corps are part of every army man, we have them too. INS viraat is not going operational tomorrow nor are the phalcons, even our SAAB 2000 are not fully operational.!,,,Jaguars jamming radars,,,yeah right. ,,,you cant jam the whole of pakistan with your Phalcons!,,,,this post of youurs has completely given your thoughts away, i am not going to argue with you anymore.

And just for the record, the next war of pakistan and india is not going to last more than a week even if it does happen. India does not want to hamper it's economic growth, the US and russia will step in because the world does not want to see two nuclear powers warring with eachother. So it is still a long long way off.

Surgical strikes doesn't mean attack on terror camp. Attack on Main Target is done @ End.

INS Viraat, INS Vikrmaditya will be inducted within 2 years. But It's not 100% Fool proof 2nd Strike. Although it can be used.

2nd Strike will be 4 Nuclear Submarine placed 2,000-4,000 KM away from Pakistan with K-4,5 (MIRV 3,500-5,000KM). Even K-15 (1500 Km) can work from Arabian sea as it's invisible. We also don't know where it will be located.

 

[Galaxy]

your INS viraat is not gonna come tomorrow, Phalcon and jaguar cannot jam all of pakistan my friend , not even half of it.

Why have you so suddenly gone from surgical strkie on terror camps to cold start and full fledged war.

And the next war between india an dpakistan is not going to last more than a week, the world does not want to see two nuclear powers at war. india does not want to hamper it's economic boom. Think of all the reprecussions. You had chances for a surgical strike before, my question to you , why not do it then??/

You Missed Sukhoi 30 MKI with Brahmos-1,2 with Mach Speed 5+ 300 Km. 272 jets. 150+ Already operational.

200 Typhoon/Rafale and 200 Tejas MK2 will come soon. Mirage2k, MIG 29 upgradation. 50+ MIG 29UPG for 2 Aircraft carrier in 2 years. 35-40 F-35/typhoon/Rafale for 4th Air craft carrier.

300-500 5th generation aircraft fighter only after 2017.

 

[Galaxy]

But we can't do such surgical attack till congress government is ruling. So, In a way, We can't. Pakistan can say whatever want to. May be we are Buying time as things are improving a lot (more than i expected)

By 2015 - We will have have ABM + 6,000-7,000 SAM missiles (Barak-8, Akash, S-300) + 500 quality 4+ and 4.5 the generation air craft + 5,000 Prahar (tactical BM to kill all strategic assets in 250 seconds) + 1,000 Brahmos + K-4 ready + 2 Spy Satellite which will tell colour of shoes of Pakistan Army + 3 ACC with 50-75 aircraft fighter + 12 Destroyers.....

3,000+ KM BM will be useless in front of AAD/PDV.
Tank will be too late. The time it will come in picture, War will be over.

We need to have everything for 99% success. It will be done by 2015. Nothing hypothetical. All are either ordered, Production going on and many operational also.

Yes, Pakistan will retaliate with full force. but that already considered in Cold Doctrine.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

why have you suddenly shifted from surgical strikes on terror camps to cold start??

strike corps are part of every army man, we have them too. INS viraat is not going operational tomorrow nor are the phalcons, even our SAAB 2000 are not fully operational.!,,,Jaguars jamming radars,,,yeah right. ,,,you cant jam the whole of pakistan with your Phalcons!,,,,this post of youurs has completely given your thoughts away, i am not going to argue with you anymore.

And just for the record, the next war of pakistan and india is not going to last more than a week even if it does happen. India does not want to hamper it's economic growth, the US and russia will step in because the world does not want to see two nuclear powers warring with eachother. So it is still a long long way off.

your INS viraat is not gonna come tomorrow, Phalcon and jaguar cannot jam all of pakistan my friend , not even half of it.

Why have you so suddenly gone from surgical strkie on terror camps to cold start and full fledged war.

And the next war between india an dpakistan is not going to last more than a week, the world does not want to see two nuclear powers at war. india does not want to hamper it's economic boom. Think of all the reprecussions. You had chances for a surgical strike before, my question to you , why not do it then??/

when did i mention cold start? all i said was surgical strikes INS Viraat is very much operational and in active service bro Phalcon Awacs at least 1 is operational plus we have over 100 Jaguar bombers adding on they can't jam every radar in Pakistan but only the ones that they need too EW systems that the DRDO has developed for IA IAF and IN are operational Samyukta is one example

i said those things because you talked about "retaliation" and how we would retaliate back to them

sir me and galaxy have said this already its up to the political leadership on whether to conduct surgical strikes or not the military is very much ready and capable of conducting them Kapoor, Singh, Verma, Naik, they all echoed this in the past its up to the political leadership whether to conduct them but alas our UPA led bureaucrats are to spineless

 

[Areesh]

Can mods give fanboys a reality check or at least close this thread if Bharati fanboyism is too absurd to respond.

 

[Jango]

You Missed Sukhoi 30 MKI with Brahmos-1,2 with Mach Speed 5+ 300 Km. 272 jets. 150+ Already operational.

200 Typhoon/Rafale and 200 Tejas MK2 will come soon. Mirage2k, MIG 29 upgradation. 50+ MIG 29UPG for 2 Aircraft carrier in 2 years. 35-40 F-35/typhoon/Rafale for 4th Air craft carrier.

300-500 5th generation aircraft fighter only after 2017.

it aint gonna be done soon, the hwole process is gonna take 4 years or so. By then pakistan would have done something as well.

Retariating my basic point, the world will not let two nuclear powers fight a full fledged war, if you do a surgical strike, we retaliate with a short sskirmish and thats it, it will not go longer than a week, india has a booming economy to look after, US and Russia will come into play, even China, so a war b/w india and pakistan is not on the cards for sometime to come unless something extraordinary happens like ISI assassinating a high profile office holder or doing mumbai multiply by two, OPENLY.

not goin to debate any more than this, you people are obsessed with numbers, those numbers which are at the moment on contracts!!

 

[LiberalAtheist]

when we have a couple of nuclear submarines in the arabian sea waiting for strike orders you think Pakistan would nuke us knowing the fact they too themselves would be screwed by India's massive 2nd strike capability?

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Can mods give fanboys a reality check or at least close this thread if Bharati fanboyism is too absurd to respond.

not fanboyism we are just discussing options all i said was we should take a lesson from Israel on how to deal with terrorists by conducting surgical strikes and i got hounded on for saying that

 

[Jango]

when did i mention cold start? all i said was surgical strikes INS Viraat is very much operational and in active service bro Phalcon Awacs at least 1 is operational plus we have over 100 Jaguar bombers adding on they can't jam every radar in Pakistan but only the ones that they need too EW systems that the DRDO has developed for IA IAF and IN are operational Samyukta is one example

i said those things because you talked about "retaliation" and how we would retaliate back to them

sir me and galaxy have said this already its up to the political leadership on whether to conduct surgical strikes or not the military is very much ready and capable of conducting them Kapoor, Singh, Verma, Naik, they all echoed this in the past its up to the political leadership whether to conduct them but alas our UPA led bureaucrats are to spineless

man, even pakistani AWACS are not fully operational, neither are your phalcons . INS viraat has Harriers, not much of a force until your MiG's are inducted into navy. Since when can jaguars jam radars??..

Not going to argue anymore with fanboys looking at numbers which are not physically available, just on contract, it takes years to induct adn fully operationalize aircraft man. Not one week.

 

[Jango]

when we have a couple of nuclear submarines in the arabian sea waiting for strike orders you think Pakistan would nuke us knowing the fact they too themselves would be screwed by India's massive 2nd strike capability?

we aint gonna nuke you, you aint gonna nuke us,,,simple as that, nukes are just a detrrent as has been proved. The big players will step in, as has been proved.

 

[Jango]

not fanboyism we are just discussing options all i said was we should take a lesson from Israel on how to deal with terrorists by conducting surgical strikes and i got hounded on for saying that

of course you got hounded, how can you possibly do surgical strikes???,,,you are not US fanboy that has stealthy helis and the wit to make our generals **** in their pants, the moment we knew it was US, we froze, the moment we will know it is India, we will strike hard.

Good bye

 

[Areesh]

not fanboyism we are just discussing options all i said was we should take a lesson from Israel on how to deal with terrorists by conducting surgical strikes and i got hounded on for saying that

You compared apples with oranges dear. Pakistan is not palestine and your higher military command knows that. I am astonished by the level of idiocy of Bharatis on this thread.

5000 Parahar+5000 Brahmos+5000 Agni. What is this BS.

BJP or Congress or whatever time has proved that a conventional full fledged war in South asia between Pakistan and Bharat is impossible and non practical. No wonder if cold war doctrine came into scene. The problem with you and another Bharati posting on this thread is that you just saw some cool nice wallpapers of some military hardware and started dreaming that we are now the king of the world. Let me tell you even if BJP comes in power it's reaction to any situation won't be different from what it did after parliament attacks or Kargil war.

You can keep demanding your govt for action of course. You might have the capability for surgical strike but you don't have the capability to stop the reaction.