If America is so good how come no other part of the world joined America like Crimea joined Russia?

[Hack-Hook]

It was a territory of America before it became a state of America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_the_Kingdom_of_Hawaii

you have become like a broken Gramophone
I recite international law for you and you repeat territory of USA , let hammer it for you , because it was a territory of USA , not USA itself and it was trusted to USA after WW2 , USA was Required to offer them independence when they decided to change the status of the land .

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

yes in 1960 just 1 year after the vote only 23% of there people who lived in Hawaii were actually borne there 75% were immigrant and 2% didn't answered the question

You are reading the pie chart backwards. The blue means born in Hawaii.

 

[TexasJohn]

you have become like a broken Gramophone
I recite international law for you and you repeat territory of USA , let hammer it for you , because it was a territory of USA , not USA itself and it was trusted to USA after WW2 , USA was Required to offer them independence when they decided to change the status of the land .

The territory status of Hawaii did not change before, during or after the war. The referendum was to give them the choice of Independence or joining the US. Again this happened in 1959 way after WWII. To say the US invaded Hawaii, is convoluted logic I must say

 

[Hack-Hook]

The territory status of Hawaii did not change before, during or after the war. The referendum was to give them the choice of Independence or joining the US. Again this happened in 1959 way after WWII. To say the US invaded Hawaii, is convoluted logic I must say

first the referandum never was about giving independence .
it was about become a State or remain a Territory and USA used it to change the status of Hawaii against UN Charter and resolution 742 , if usa wanted to change the status of Hawaii it must have offered them the choice of independence ,which never offered.
also USA senate never approved Hawaii become a territory of United State , in fact Senate 3 time refused to approve that so some people illegally used the combined majority of Congress and senate together to make Hawaii a territory of USA and thas illegal as such measure can't be decided by combined majority (it only can be used in internal matter of united state and at the time Hawaii was a foreign country)

and the invasion and occupation occurred in 1890s when your marine helped the American merchants in Hawaii to overthrow the queen

 

[BATMAN]

America is bad Obama and Boeing are good.

 

[gambit]

A truly idiotic thread. Revealed the ignorance of the first post.

 

[TexasJohn]

first the referandum never was about giving independence .
it was about become a State or remain a Territory and USA used it to change the status of Hawaii against UN Charter and resolution 742 , if usa wanted to change the status of Hawaii it must have offered them the choice of independence ,which never offered.
also USA senate never approved Hawaii become a territory of United State , in fact Senate 3 time refused to approve that so some people illegally used the combined majority of Congress and senate together to make Hawaii a territory of USA and thas illegal as such measure can't be decided by combined majority (it only can be used in internal matter of united state and at the time Hawaii was a foreign country)

and the invasion and occupation occurred in 1890s when your marine helped the American merchants in Hawaii to overthrow the queen

we will just have to agree to disagree. In that case I would give credit to the Marines that it only took 166 of them to take over not just one Island, but several islands of Hawaii in one swoop!! they just outdid the Texas Rangers ( one Ranger - one riot) ! ok. I can tell the populace of Hawaii are dying to get rid of the US yoke. Perhaps you can make that change! ;-)

America is bad Obama and Boeing are good.

Actually, I'll go with America and Boeing

 

[KAMDEV]

If there is no vacaancy announced by company, how can anyone apply.
Announce one vacanncy and 100's will apply.

Kar sewa, i mean free service.

 

[Hack-Hook]

we will just have to agree to disagree. In that case I would give credit to the Marines that it only took 166 of them to take over not just one Island, but several islands of Hawaii in one swoop!! they just outdid the Texas Rangers ( one Ranger - one riot) ! ok. I can tell the populace of Hawaii are dying to get rid of the US yoke. Perhaps you can make that change! ;-)


Actually, I'll go with America and Boeing

first they didn't took several Island they took only royal palace, there is a lot difference.
second the argument never was about people of Hawaii now want to be part of USA , or not it was about it that if they wanted to become part of USA in 1890s or not.

 

[TexasJohn]

first they didn't took several Island they took only royal palace, there is a lot difference.
second the argument never was about people of Hawaii now want to be part of USA , or not it was about it that if they wanted to become part of USA in 1890s or not.

Then what it all about these past days then? the great evil Satan? we also took over most of the North American continent, if you really want to talk about it.

I'll humor you one last time. The thread title says "If America is so Good...like Crimea Joined Russia.."
So let's look at how Crimea "joined Russia".
A sequence of events here for you:
Crimea originally belonged to Russia and was "given" to Ukraine at the turn of the century by the Soviets since Ukraine was a fellow USSR member, and Russia's Naval port of Sevastopol was on a 100 year lease from Ukraine.
When the USSR fell, and Ukraine became it's own country, they started leaning towards the west and away from Russia and the future of the Naval port was now in question as the lease was almost done.
In the past century the Crimean population had turned Russian due to migration as had several parts of Eastern Ukraine.
That's when the "little green men" showed up one fine day all over Crimea, and "persuaded" the local government to hold a "referendum" in favor of Russia.
Presto! Crimea now is a part of Russia, and the Naval base of Sevastopol is now forever secure.
Putin, after it was all said and done finally admitted that the "little green men" were indeed Russian soldiers!
More information on Sevastopol for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol

Is that how Hawaii " joined" the US? think about your logic here. Even the U.N. ( who you so liberally quote) disagrees that Crimea " joined" Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262

 

[Hack-Hook]

Then what it all about these past days then? the great evil Satan? we also took over most of the North American continent, if you really want to talk about it.

I'll humor you one last time. The thread title says "If America is so Good...like Crimea Joined Russia.."
So let's look at how Crimea "joined Russia".
A sequence of events here for you:
Crimea originally belonged to Russia and was "given" to Ukraine at the turn of the century by the Soviets since Ukraine was a fellow USSR member, and Russia's Naval port of Sevastopol was on a 100 year lease from Ukraine.
When the USSR fell, and Ukraine became it's own country, they started leaning towards the west and away from Russia and the future of the Naval port was now in question as the lease was almost done.
In the past century the Crimean population had turned Russian due to migration as had several parts of Eastern Ukraine.
That's when the "little green men" showed up one fine day all over Crimea, and "persuaded" the local government to hold a "referendum" in favor of Russia.
Presto! Crimea now is a part of Russia, and the Naval base of Sevastopol is now forever secure.
Putin, after it was all said and done finally admitted that the "little green men" were indeed Russian soldiers!
More information on Sevastopol for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol

Is that how Hawaii " joined" the US? think about your logic here. Even the U.N. ( who you so liberally quote) disagrees that Crimea " joined" Russia

The thread was about why nobody join USA like Crimea joined Russia.
Here they some people claimed Puerto Rico wants to join USA and Hawaii joined USA . i didnt make any arguments aabout Puerto Rico aas they indeed want to join USA ,if instead of Hawaii they have said Texas I would not have told anything about it if they would have talked about California I would hhave not told anything as those areas wanted to join USA and all the necessary works for it were done accordingly , but when it come to Hawaii no there is valid arguments about if they wanted to be part of USA or not and if the joining was happened legally or not .
Again I say its not the question of the topic if people of Hawaii right now want to be part of USA or not . the question is if in 1890 they willingly become a territory oof usa or not and if the plebiscite in 1959 was held legally according to U.N. rregulation or not .

About Crimea every one knew Russia invaded it . but also everyone knew that Russia did it when in Kiev a coupe happened and neonazis come to power and the first thing they did banned Russian language in those areas and by doing so made the people of those areas angry to the extent that they welcomed russian invasion with open arm .

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Crimea originally belonged to Russia and was "given" to Ukraine at the turn of the century by the Soviets

1954 was not turn of the century.

Is that how Hawaii " joined" the US?

Hawaii had been US territory since 1800s by conquest, just like Siberia had been Russia territory since 1800s by conquest. I'm talking about since WW2 ended.

 

[TexasJohn]

Read this. I know it is a wiki, but it is factual. I am sure you will have some other argument to follow up. Honestly I am getting tired of throwing out facts at you as other have also. So for one last time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_Admission_Act
"Out of a total population of 600,000 in the islands and 155,000 registered voters, 140,000 votes were cast, the highest turnout ever in Hawaii. The vote showed approval rates of at least 93% by voters on all major islands. Of the approximately 140,000 votes cast, fewer than 8,000 rejected the Admission Act of 1959."

Or you can read the original pdf which is ~200 pages long...I am sure you will reject every bit of it.

https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/f.../Hi-Admis-Act-Hearing-Jan-26-27-28-1959-2.pdf

Which is why I said earlier we will have to agree to disagree. I don't know why I need to continue this discussion. It has become somewhat pointless, I think

 

[gambit]

Yeah that's right. Crimea was part of Russia before 1954 when Khrushev gave it to Ukraine. In 2014 March they overwhelmingly voted to leave Ukraine and return to Russia. So I ask. If America is so good like Hollywood portrays, then why no place in the world outside America chose to become part of America? Hmm?

Your question is outright stupid and revealed your ignorance of the meaning of the word -- geopolitics.

Geopolitics is about how geography influences politics, mostly local politics. In America's history, the country could not expand from east coast to west coast if no country or territory wanted to be a part of the larger entity. Yes, the current US states were once either independent political entities or territories. That is how you should have looked at your question. But if you did, you would not have posted the question in the first place. So when you said 'outside America', the question is effectively too late.

It is easier to join when you are next door neighbors than if you are separated by other countries or by oceans. It is easier in two major ways.

First, it is cultural. Neighbors shares many things with each other, from people such as marriages to blending of cultural artifacts such as languages.

Second, it is administrative. It is easier to unite under a single government if the participants are literally next door to each other. Issues like trade and mutual defense are easier as goods and people can move swiftly when borders no longer exists.

The current geographical US is the result of many petitions to statehood over the yrs. As for Canada and Mexico, over %80 of Canadians lives within 6 hrs drive of the US border. Culturally speaking, Canadians and Americans are effectively one people. Honest Canadians admitted it. I joked about it to the a few Canadian Air Force guys and they conceded the unspoken truth about the two countries. Similar issues for Mexico. Like it or not, Mexico is tied to the US more than to other Latin America countries.

If China is so great, especially when the Chinese on this forum often said it is, then why no other Asian countries wanted to be Chinese? You guys cannot even get the Taiwanese to be with you.

 

[AlohanAkua]

Just some bullet pts about Hawaii:

- 1893 overthrow was anything but voluntary
- 1959 vote on statehood was very voluntary
- There is a grassroots "Hawaiian Sovereignty" movement, as well as lingering resentment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_sovereignty_movement
- America has already acknowledged Hawaiian annexation was not entirely Kosher/Halal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apology_Resolution

Practically speaking, Hawaiian independence will ofc never happen. No superpower in its right mind would ever relinquish the geostrategic advantage of a sizable archipelago, large enough to house all manner of military assets, that is roughly equidistant from four continents; there is no other chain like Hawaii anywhere else in the world.

As to the OP, forgetting about actual territorial transfer (from where, Canada?), if immigration #s are anything to go by, plenty of the world wants to become part of the US. Whatever resentments exist, just remember that Trump will pass, like a bad dream, but America will remain.