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Isn't the EU offering India a stake as a full fledged partner in their air fighter program. .....I mean nobody has offered close to what they are offering?
If you mean EF then yes they are.......however howfar they can keep this promise is a question to be asked and analyzed.Isn't the EU offering India a stake as a full fledged partner in their air fighter program. .....I mean nobody has offered close to what they are offering?
They are not even offering full ToT like Dassault or SAAB or MiG and this aircraft is way way overpriced!Isn't the EU offering India a stake as a full fledged partner in their air fighter program. .....I mean nobody has offered close to what they are offering?
look buddy F/A 18 E/F is no doubt a combat proven aircraft but when it comes to cismoa,euma ,bla bla bla..These make it a wet ***** even in front of gripenNG. We talking about 126 aircraft or say 200aircrafts here ,and why the heck IAF WANTS AMERICANS TO SNOOP,WHERE WE PLACED THEM,HOW WE USING IT . Now Rafale fanboys did you remember how france asked UAE to pay from their noses for upgradation like Radar,engine thrust and avonics,do you think they going to let go India For free without paying for extra candies huh ?? Not gonna mention how expensive its weapon are..hope you guys also read my 1st post to benny and decide yourself ,where am wrong .
Cismoa? Can anyone explain why India wouldn't want to sign it. In a future conflict, where both nations have to join hands and fight together wouldn't this be a force multiplier? I think India is a little too uptight, just make clauses in any future contracts that address your concerns. i am sure if it is reasonable, the US will take notice...
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They are not even offering full ToT like Dassault or SAAB or MiG and this aircraft is way way overpriced!
but my point is ::;avionics, EW , A2A missle , radar and other subsystems are all build in india , looking at LCA progress.......
EF or Rafale will not offer anything beyond that india didn't already have.....what's the logic of buying any of these two at a cost 3-4 time more then LCA?...
Swashplate AESA radar, SPECTRA EWS, supercrusing engines, latest weapons and avionics, they are so much beyond LCA and more importand operational!
DRDO developing their own AESA radar...
EWS is already done...
Astra will be the A2A missiles...
all other airborn weapons like , anti-ship , anti-tank already developed...
LCA having own auto-pilot..
LCA will be having own oxygen supply unit....
glass cockpits are manufectured by samtel ....
what is left to be kidding ?
give a logical reason to buy a aircraft 3-4 times the cost of LCA..
IAF Shows reservation in operating American fighter Jets
As per Source , IAF which has recently submitted another report on MMRCA aircrafts it has evaluated and has shown some reservation in operating American jets , Idrw.org could not confirm what was report about but it seems, like it was general feedback asked by MOD from the user IAF on its opinion.
Currently Two American jet makers , Boeings F-18 SH and Lockheed Martins F-16 IN are in the lucrative IAfs MMRCA contract race to supply 126 fighter jets , While many defence experts in past have given F-16IN very slim chance of winning ,since Indias rival air force has been operating them close to three decades now .
Defence expert Rakesh Sharma Believes that MMRCA aircraft which ever is selected with be based near Indo-China border and share the base with IAFs front line Sukhoi Su 30 MKI and in future with FGFA or AMCA , and since Americans are not keen in proving Deep TOT for AESA Radar which will come with the jets means that American air force and Vendor engineers in this base will be a common sight could be one of the possible reason about IAFs Reservation , he also added that IAF Fears that American jets might be bugged to keep check on their operational status .
Serving IAF officer based in Agra had reported to idrw.org that IAF fears American may finally deliver Heavily downgraded Aircraft since India refused to sign CISMOA agreement with US , IAF is already in process of receiving 6 C-130J Super Hercules aircrafts which according to him are heavily downgraded aircrafts and IAF is already in process of getting permission from OEM that is Lockheed Martin to put Indian and European communication Systems in the Aircraft ,even if the permission is granted whole upgrade will take place with close observation from Lockheed Martin officials which will then report to Vendor and US Government .
India Navy which has ordered P8I will be delivered without crucial electronics and down-rated avionics suite if India Fails to sign the CISMOA, Americans are already working to develop a downgraded Radar for the same aircraft .
US law mandates that certain sensitive American electronics can only be transferred abroad after the recipient country signs the CISMOA and/or the BECA.
If India refuses to sign CISMOA , it will mean American Jets will not be even close to aircrafts they had fielded in trials and will not be Hi-tech in terms of technology .
But for a Jet it matters Gubbi....not for a P8I or C-17....you never know what is going to be stripped. Just a month ago, India didnt get military grade GPS for C-130J as we are not a signatory of CISMOA. what will happen to GPS guided bombs??....what will happen to all that is GPS guided.This article is full of BS. Whoever wrote this knows nothing about CISMOA and how its non-compliance barely affects IAF operations! Not worth discussing over.
But for a Jet it matters Gubbi....not for a P8I or C-17....you never know what is going to be stripped. Just a month ago, India didnt get military grade GPS for C-130J as we are not a signatory of CISMOA. what will happen to GPS guided bombs??....what will happen to all that is GPS guided.
We were ok for C-17 which just need GPS to land, but not for f-18!!