IAF Shows reservation in operating American fighter Jets

[luckyyy]

ok..so you accept lca is inferior to them and your question is are they worth the money ?
i guess pro's can answer you in detail. I can only say that in a competition nobody will quote the price unrealisticaly.

then we need to read these line :
"DRDO sources said that many international firms, considered leaders in EHSVs, have conducted enquiries with India regarding joint efforts. “It’s ironic that these firms had quoted or charged a fortune for each servo valves prior to the sanctions. Today, when we [have] achieved self-reliance, these firms are willing to come down on their pricing and even want partnerships with us,” one source says.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/82209-india-self-reliant-crucial-valve-technology.html

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

then we need to read these line :
"DRDO sources said that many international firms, considered leaders in EHSVs, have conducted enquiries with India regarding joint efforts. “It’s ironic that these firms had quoted or charged a fortune for each servo valves prior to the sanctions. Today, when we [have] achieved self-reliance, these firms are willing to come down on their pricing and even want partnerships with us,” one source says.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/82209-india-self-reliant-crucial-valve-technology.html

Ok..even if we take what drdo says is true..it's was in past when we had little options to choose and didn't have any know how..now even according to Drdo companies are ' offering even partnership '' (they know we are on driving seat now)and so will quote aggressively.
they know india is a big market and growing fast.
it's not two or three but 6 contenders.. so competition is high.

 

[Dash]

Appreciate your POV. It is quite relevant vis-a-vis the Comm. eqpt. or GPS and maybe even IFF. As far as the Comms., it actually translates into a reality that these aircraft will not be able to communicate with other USAF aircraft (at least on secure channels). But does that mean that they will be unable to communicate with IAF aircraft? Or that existing IAF comms. are un-secured?

Next, GPS - do you believe that other GPS eqpt. does not exist? And if you are able to explain what military grade GPS is precisely, that will help.

About IFF, do these aircraft have to be IFF compatible with USAF aircraft or IAF aircraft and sensors? And do you think existing IAF aircraft are lacking IFF?
While some of the notified Rockwell Collins stuff is undoubtedly good, there are airplanes flying safely and effectively without them all over the world.

Finally, re:be it anything... Would appreciate some amplification/clarification on this. Will the C-130s e.g. come with one propeller blade missing or the C-17s come without thrust reversers?

This CISMOA business has become a bit of a bogeyman. Actually if the logic of some of the esteemed journalists are to be taken seriously, these aircraft without CISMOA eqpt. are only as good as paper planes OR the existing IAF aircraft are worthless, after all they are not fitted with these goodies.

What would you like to believe?

Ok, fine we are not debating here abt only GPS, coz GPS comes under CISMOA. and I am sure you know what is military grade GPS. For others consumption, military grade GPS is driven by COMSEC, which is an encryption device and advanced COM controller, which means also that it give correct info at all times, unlike civillian GPS.

Rockwell collins is controlled by CISMOA but also listed under export control in US. However we are not getting there.

What I am talking here is the real export control act and clauses which are India specific. Remember the control is still not relaxed and US has only said they will look into it to relax it, which will take some time we know. But how long we dont know. The last vist by Nirupama Rao where if you go to US BIS website has a comment on India specific export control regulations.

Now this will have a major impact on our TOT. There are techs which are not available for US allies and we are asking TOT for that.

The only reference we can take is selection of LCA engine where we selected GE, how much TOT they are offering we have to wait and see.

I am not saying there wont be TOT but TOT to an extent we are not expecting. Agreeing with RFP is different and delivering is completely different.

So this is a larger picture.

Waiting for your comment.