IAF Mirage upgrade to take 10 years

[JayAtl]

By seeing this i must say PAF's F-16 upgrade is much more speedy than this, also keeping the fact in mind that PAF f-16s has to go 2 kind of upgrades one that is Mid life upgrade (MLU) and the 2nd is Falcon structure upgrade , all the f-16's will be done ~around 2015

firstly , yes, American upgrade much faster , but you also have to keep in mind it's just 18 F 16 aircrafts or so for the PAF being upgraded vs what it is number for the Indian aircrafts ? + the amount of upgrades ( seems like a complete overhaul i.e much more extensive I presume)

 

[Mani2020]

This may be because PAF is more professional than IAF.

PAF is doing a good job with limited resources they have on the other hand IAF is operating in a very unprofessional way, wasting taxpayer money on the crappy ACs

I hope your babus are not asking for there share from France which in result made this process more lengthy that it may actually be, don't forget that long time means more cost adjustments due to inflation factors and many other variable that may result into French asking more money at the end of the deal then agreed upon like the case with Russia , we also have faced such blunders in the past

Also french are really charging alot of costs , compared to any other aircraft manufacturing nation .

It will be interesting to know that how many aircrafts will be upgraded at one time? and how much time per aircraft? and will they be upgraded in india also? because as far as i know PAF f-16's after being upgraded upto few numbers will later be upgraded in Pakistan , first 2-3 are being upgraded in TUSAS and later TUSAS personnel will come to Pakistan to train PAF personnel how to upgrade these aircrafts and later these remaining f-16's will be upgraded in Pakistan

 

[Mani2020]

firstly , yes, American upgrade much faster , but you also have to keep in mind it's just 18 F 16 aircrafts or so for the PAF being upgraded vs what it is number for the Indian aircrafts ? + the amount of upgrades ( seems like a complete overhaul i.e much more extensive I presume)

lol not 18s are upgraded , these 18s are new ones why the hell will they be upgraded. these are recently received block52+ aircrafts

PAF is upgrading the earlier F-16 A/B models and the number of these F-16's is 45

And what can be more extensive than a total structural upgrade ? named as Falcon star structural upgradation and whole customized MLU upgrade bringing them equal to block 40 and according to some sources block 50

And for your information these aircrafts are not solely upgraded in USA but in Turkey and later will be done locally

 

[Shabz Nist]

actually IAF doctrine of having capability centric force rather than adversary centric force is totally flawed.

The war would always be relative. By 2020 china will start inducting J20 for which this vintage ACs are no match. we all know the manufacturing capabilities of chinese. they will produce 50 ACs per year once they will clear the FOC on the other hand we are only doing upgrades of this aircrafts at a snail pace.

Very unprofessional I must say.

No one knows if the j-20 even flies, let alone; it being "stealthy". Chances are, that 50 cent flying junk will light up on the radar like a Christmas tree.

 

[ranja]

This thread is about IAF Mirage upgrade so please lets stick to the topic. Please refrain beringing PAF F-16 or Chinese J20, etc.
Before jumping to any conclusions do consider what this upgrade includes? The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard, including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. These will be tied into a joint tactical information data link system (JTIDS, usually Link 16 compatible but not always), plus helmet-mounted sights for wide-angle heat-seeking missiles. As part of the upgrade, the aircraft will also be equipped with MBDA’s Mica family of medium range missiles.MBDA was probably unamused by India Defence’s December 2006 description of its wares as “an advanced medium-range missile that is the French counterpart to the more capable American AMRAAM missile”. While the MICA’s radar-guided version does have mediocre range, it also has a heat-seeking IR version that offers a potent medium range ‘no warning’ targeting option. In either version, it’s an improvement. MICA would replace both India’s existing radar-guided Super 350 MRAAM and Magic-II short-range infrared missiles, offering better performance and range.
Work on the upgrades would be performed by a French-Indian consortium including Dassault (aircraft manufacturer), Thales (weapons systems integrator), MBDA (missiles) and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

 

[ranja]

Double post

 

[ranja]

Double post

 

[Zabaniyah]

10 years for upgrading a bunch of old fighters? Heh, that's funny.

 

[GORKHALI]

WTF ?????These guys are accumulating huge pile of money at home as sure for that(SAB saale mile baanth ke khana chate hai) .........Where is ST ANTHONY NOW ???

 

[majesticpankaj]

@Mani2020.. the first two first aircraft would be upgraded in france, next two will be upgraded by the help of french engineers in India and they will train them also and the rest will be done by HAL.

@ranja.. we are paying 1 bn dollar for the weapons and 500 mn dollars on the infra.. french are sucking us big time

Babus and IAF officials are getting huge kick backs no doubt it.

 

[perplexed]

This thread is about IAF Mirage upgrade so please lets stick to the topic. Please refrain beringing PAF F-16 or Chinese J20, etc.
Before jumping to any conclusions do consider what this upgrade includes? The upgrade will bring India’s Mirages to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard, including a new RDY-3 radar with greater air-air and air-ground capability, a new night vision compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. These will be tied into a joint tactical information data link system (JTIDS, usually Link 16 compatible but not always), plus helmet-mounted sights for wide-angle heat-seeking missiles. As part of the upgrade, the aircraft will also be equipped with MBDA’s Mica family of medium range missiles.MBDA was probably unamused by India Defence’s December 2006 description of its wares as “an advanced medium-range missile that is the French counterpart to the more capable American AMRAAM missile”. While the MICA’s radar-guided version does have mediocre range, it also has a heat-seeking IR version that offers a potent medium range ‘no warning’ targeting option. In either version, it’s an improvement. MICA would replace both India’s existing radar-guided Super 350 MRAAM and Magic-II short-range infrared missiles, offering better performance and range.
Work on the upgrades would be performed by a French-Indian consortium including Dassault (aircraft manufacturer), Thales (weapons systems integrator), MBDA (missiles) and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

All these upgrades though sounds very good but at the end of the day won't be able to conceal the fact that it would take a decade for complete overhaul. That is just too damn long.
Just think about it. An entire generation would grow up by the time this process is done with? apalling

 

[Imran Khan]

firstly , yes, American upgrade much faster , but you also have to keep in mind it's just 18 F 16 aircrafts or so for the PAF being upgraded vs what it is number for the Indian aircrafts ? + the amount of upgrades ( seems like a complete overhaul i.e much more extensive I presume)

lolz these brand new block-52 dont need upgrade till 2025 dear we send 4 block-15 there for upgrade and others in turkey .they are not fast every month one f-16 upgrade by them .

 

[Shabz Nist]

Maybe there is more to it than meets the eye.

 

[luckyyy]

after 10 years there won't be any meaning full life left in these aircrafts...
right since 1980s IAF vision has a flow..
first they choose jaguares after long compititive proccess , then run to buy mig-29 after pakistan gets F-16..
now they are pushing to buy the most expensive 4+ gen fighter in another compititive proccess ...
mirage upgrade is another deffective vision..

 

[nomi007]

what will happen in 2021
when world is shifting into 5th generation
at that time all indian migs-29 and jaguars goes old
if indian will invest that 2.5 billion $ on tejas that will be better
i mean too invest into kaveri engine