IAF losing edge over PAF:Military Intelligence.

[blackops]

maybe the gap will again go wide if 200+ eft or rafale are selected and delivered before 2017 and then fast induction og t 50 and fgfa

more over get that amca out of the papers

 

[SQ8]

Mod, with due respect is this thread not a vs thread when people argue for / against the topic. What do you expect members to do other than compare in order to scrutinize the validity of the article ?

Which is why any further JF-17 vs anything is not going to run here..
especially with trolls on the lose.

 

[mjnaushad]

Which is why any further JF-17 vs anything is not going to run here..
especially with trolls on the lose.

Thank god you showed up

 

[Army Strong]

It's India's MOD and Politicians, the corruption rate in India is so high that without a doubt it will take 10 years to complete a deal that should take no more than 3-5 years. Even though PAF is still not at our level, but don't worry by 2020+, we again will compare these two airforces.

 

[KS]

India loosing edge - ?

Dont worry either the Raffys or the Taffys are coming soon in IAF roundels.

And then its a whole new ballgame.

 

[My-Analogous]

well even i think block 60 will be at par with mki and may have a edge over mki in bvr as mki doesnt have it yet but once it gets it then it will all depend on the pilot

Let me expand Indian logic MKI is even better than F22 if it come with stealth tech.

I think Russian are fool that they make SU35 and now working on other project

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

about time, it only took 10 years and counting

 

[Storm Force]

I said in a earlier post Military balance is ever changing nothing stays constant.

This ENTIRE thread started a week ago due to a Indian TV programme proclaiming IAF was losing its edge or GAP over PAF.

2 days after we get MRCA down select to Rafael or Typhoon.

ITS ALL PLANNED AND PROPAGANDA

This programme was not a coincidence that it coincided with MMRCA down select.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I said in a earlier post Military balance is ever changing nothing stays constant.

This ENTIRE thread started a week ago due to a Indian TV programme proclaiming IAF was losing its edge or GAP over PAF.

2 days after we get MRCA down select to Rafael or Typhoon.

ITS ALL PLANNED AND PROPAGANDA

This programme was not a coincidence that it coincided with MMRCA down select.

makes sense because MMRCA news is hot so create a story with a bit of spin for all the ratings and debate. given the current IAF status and the future acquisitions like MMRCA there is no such risk of loosing edge as the report suggests.

 

[Storm Force]

Im fairly certain that ultimately its Rafael that will win this mmrca deal.

THE REASONS ARE SO OBVIOUS and listed below.

1. Rafael is a true multi role fighter far better than Tiffy in Strike role
2. IAF is already well equipped with Air supremacy fighters
3. Rafael is 20% cheaper than Typhoon
4. Rafael is not used by any of PAKISTANS ALLYS
5. Rfael have offered IAF 100% TOT on everything
6. Rafael uses virtually identical weapons to Typhoon.
7 Rafael have promised delivery of upto 40 fighters by 2014 tiffy only 18 by the same date.
8. Rafael is a late 4 generation successor to the much loved mirage2000 already in IAF service so india has much experience of dassult systems.

Its not just the Rafael thats coming just look at the supporting cast

Barak 2 SAM system from israel
3 more Awacs on a brazillian EMBRAR PLATFORM
Tejas mk2 with new GE414 engines
Aesa radar for all SU30MKI with new ramjet missles
C17 C130 & P8 POSEDIONS from USA
20 REGIMENTS OF AKASH sam systems


PAF have caught up IAF with AWACS 18 new F16.52 and arrival of Thunders.

BUT THE IAF are again moving the GOAL POSTS with very big ticket purchases.

LUCKILY these won,t arrive for 4-5 years yet so PAF has time to once again reduce the edge

 

[Rafi]

The Pakistani Armed Forces with less resources has always managed to have a response to indian defense procurement.

 

[MilSpec]

IAF losing edge over PAF:Military Intelligence

PAF's primary focus in case of contingency is ensure PAF's control over Pakistani Air Space, its next major work is to provide support to armored formations in SEAD, CAS. Equally important task for PAF is Air Interdiction and strategic bombing and maintaining logistics for the ground forces .

PAF's main focus remains defensive with secondary (but very important) offensive capabilities.

PAF F16/j10B's/mirages for Air Superiority/ Air interdiction and strategic bombing missions
J10B's/F16A/B's for point defense against aggressor forces

Thats why PAF tends to favor Multirole aircrafts instead of dedicated air supremacy or ground attack aircrafts giving PAF a heavy degree of flexibility in there operations.



IAF's primary focus in the western theater is to achieve air supremacy over Pakistani airspace via quick strike operations and Air superiority missions, along with heavy Deep penetration strike missions. Secondary operations are to provide strategic cover to vital installations and advancing armored columns. Next focus of IAF is to repel PAF in Indian airspace. This is where maybe india needs to induct a fighter aircraft in large numbers to counter PAF.

SU30 MKI/Mig 29 SMT/Mirage 2000IN - Air superiority and air interdiction

Jaguar DARIN II / Mig 27 - CAS and deep penetration strike

Su30MKI - Strategic bombing

Mig 21 Bison/ LCA - Point defense air superiority/ interception

Most strike packages will have a mix of the mentioned aircrafts in different configurations whereas defensive formations will not be very flexible for both IAF and PAF

large number aircrafts are going to be introduced in next few years in the theater in larger numbers, PAf will induct around 170 Jf17, 40 j10b's
IAF will induct 100 MKI, 124 mmrca and around 120 LCA MK2

IAF's primary focus being offensive procured MKI's and MMRCA a/c's will see them being used primarily in offensive configuration leaving LCA tejas MK2 being the responsible for point defense.


My conclusion, IAF as an aggressive force is on the right track with its current acquisitions but unless it develops LCA as a potent platform against PAF, it might have to compensate offensive fighters from its line towards defensive duties reducing the sharpness.

PAF on the other hand has to find a/c's with larger range and performance to perform punitive strikes inside indian airspace. Also PAF needs to counter huge numbers of IAF's Aircrafts which are available for air superiority and strike roles (270 mki, 65 Mig 29 SMT's, 50 Mirage 2000IN, 124 MMRCA 's with IN -55 Mig 29K's)

 

[Rafi]

What you forget is Pakistan has invested a lot in stand off, precision guided munitions and cruise missiles.

For Example.

The Ra'ad (Arabic: رعد&#8206 (English: Thunder) is an air-launched cruise missile (ALCM) developed by Pakistan and operational with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Though initially launched from a PAF Dassault Mirage III ROSE combat aircraft during testing, the missile is planned to be integrated with and launched from other PAF platforms such as the JF-17 combat aircraft. The Ra'ad's current range is stated to be 350 km.

With a 350km standoff range, it can target indian facilities, leaving the aircraft well away from air defense.

 

[Rafi]

 

[MilSpec]

Indian Air force needs to cover larger country with economic strategic and national assets from PAF. Thus India will need to have a extensive SAM network and proven point defense air superiority fighter. We have an excellent Offesive strategy but unless we tighten our defenses these MKI's and MMRCA's and the Mig 29 will have to revert to defensive duties reducing the effectiveness of the strike formation. In short unless we have full strength of 45 Sqdn's and impenetrable air defense shield, every PAF acquisition will potentially reduce IAF's defensive edge.