IAF losing edge over PAF:Military Intelligence.

[SpArK]

Still deep inside our mind, USA is hostile and Russia is a friend...

Only cuba and china, no Dubai..we have that sotr of ppl in India too

Why not Rafale ( Mirage commanality) 126 + Mig-35 (Mig-29 commanality) 126 ... and forget everything..

 

[Gene]

its not just tech. If you review the history, you should come to know that the quality of training of PAF is also better than IAF

why you people always say about history???we were this,we were that !!!

history is a thing which has gone & lost into the same history.you can't find anything from history except little bit of grief or little happiness.

come on dude, look at the present & shoot into future.

 

[Rafi]

IMO this shows the traditional fear the indians have of us, every weapon system we get, or any positive news - makes the indians terrified.

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

its not just tech. If you review the history, you should come to know that the quality of training of PAF is also better than IAF

Well Pakistan spends $450000 for training per pilot whereas IAF spends $1.48 million per pilot.

 

[jha]

why you people always say about history???we were this,we were that !!!

history is a thing which has gone & lost into the same history.you can't find anything from history except little bit of grief or little happiness.

come on dude, look at the present & shoot into future.

This history this poster is referring to is of the performance of PAF in '65.

However on contrary Many a fancy claims of their ACE pilot of '65 have been debunked ... After all the PAF had to stick up with President Ayub Khan's claim of one Pakistani being equal to three Indians..

 

[notorious_eagle]

Not the answer (with what?) You can see an elephant is coming at you from long range, what the counter measure?

You take the first shot at the elephant, and the elephant is going to have a really hard time shaking of the missile as compared to a smaller agile fighter. Although you still have not answered, what makes the MKI such a great asset that its a game changer?

It is not right, that we have an edge over BVR and we will come to you for visual range fight. Its not only the radar range which is a + for MKI it can lead a group of fighters incl. BVR equipped Bisons, can help each other to detect fire, engage and disengage etc.

For you to get complete air superiority, you will need to cross over the border and come within the visual range. The IAF can definitely try to stay within its borders and try to take out PAF fighters from a stand off range, but there is nothing stopping the PAF from employing its Anti BVR Tactics. As PAF is adding more and more BVR fighters to its fleet, there is nothing stopping us from firing BVR missiles back at your aircrafts. We will see the MKI long before before it can see our fighter formations. For IAF to give effective CAS to your advancing armoured formations, it will have to fight battles with PAF in WVR.

Unlike other fighters, MKI has a dedicated sensor officer for engaging multiple targets. It has the capability to track multiple targets and engage. Means no need to lock on and break the radar locks for a new target.

Oh really, so having another dedicated officer makes the MKI invincible? Damn the Americans for only putting one pilot on the F22 . With the advance in technology, one pilot is more than enough to fly a plane perfectly. If MKI can engage multiple targets than so can PAF fighters, PAF is a fully network centric organization. Our fighters can fire their missiles and let the AWACS or other assets guide the missiles.

Can't understand when it comes to MKI which is more or less superior or at least equal to F-15, it has all big problems. Look at F-15 records, air war is for superiority fighters who as got more range, weapons and bigger radar.

The MKI has problems, its not a "God's Gift to Aviation" as you people make it out to be. Having an air superiority fighter does not makes you invincible, a true multi role fighter aircraft can get the job done equally as good. Have you forgotten the F16's hammering the MKI in WVR to the point during the RF2008 where the Indian pilots refused to go one on one. You guys seriously need to stop worshipping the MKI and not take it as a personal insult if its flaws are revealed, its a good fighter no doubt but is not unbeatable.

Locked with which missile?

Most probably AIM9

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

I am not telling that MKI is a god's gift to aviation,but MKI can detect F-16 at 150km,by the Way MKI is an elephant with nitro boost & Armor(Referring to TVC & Countermeasures).

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You take the first shot at the elephant, and the elephant is going to have a really hard time shaking of the missile as compared to a smaller agile fighter. Although you still have not answered, what makes the MKI such a great asset that its a game changer?



For you to get complete air superiority, you will need to cross over the border and come within the visual range. The IAF can definitely try to stay within its borders and try to take out PAF fighters from a stand off range, but there is nothing stopping the PAF from employing its Anti BVR Tactics. As PAF is adding more and more BVR fighters to its fleet, there is nothing stopping us from firing BVR missiles back at your aircrafts. We will see the MKI long before before it can see our fighter formations. For IAF to give effective CAS to your advancing armoured formations, it will have to fight battles with PAF in WVR.



Oh really, so having another dedicated officer makes the MKI invincible? Damn the Americans for only putting one pilot on the F22 . With the advance in technology, one pilot is more than enough to fly a plane perfectly. If MKI can engage multiple targets than so can PAF fighters, PAF is a fully network centric organization. Our fighters can fire their missiles and let the AWACS or other assets guide the missiles.



The MKI has problems, its not a "God's Gift to Aviation" as you people make it out to be. Having an air superiority fighter does not makes you invincible, a true multi role fighter aircraft can get the job done equally as good. Have you forgotten the F16's hammering the MKI in WVR to the point during the RF2008 where the Indian pilots refused to go one on one. You guys seriously need to stop worshipping the MKI and not take it as a personal insult if its flaws are revealed, its a good fighter no doubt but is not unbeatable.



Most probably AIM9

Aim 9 has a range of 20km.

 

[rockstarIN]

=notorious_eagle;1691854]You take the first shot at the elephant, and the elephant is going to have a really hard time shaking of the missile as compared to a smaller agile fighter. Although you still have not answered, what makes the MKI such a great asset that its a game changer?

You cant fight with a dagger mate. And it is not A 320..

For you to get complete air superiority, you will need to cross over the border and come within the visual range. The IAF can definitely try to stay within its borders and try to take out PAF fighters from a stand off range, but there is nothing stopping the PAF from employing its Anti BVR Tactics. As PAF is adding more and more BVR fighters to its fleet, there is nothing stopping us from firing BVR missiles back at your aircrafts. We will see the MKI long before before it can see our fighter formations. For IAF to give effective CAS to your advancing armoured formations, it will have to fight battles with PAF in WVR.

You mean to say, across the border, it is BVR and we enter Pak airbase, it is WVR, good logic. It os not tanks which will face eye to eye.

Oh really, so having another dedicated officer makes the MKI invincible? Damn the Americans for only putting one pilot on the F22 . With the advance in technology, one pilot is more than enough to fly a plane perfectly. If MKI can engage multiple targets than so can PAF fighters, PAF is a fully network centric organization. Our fighters can fire their missiles and let the AWACS or other assets guide the missiles.

Nobody is saying it is invincible, one or two pilot, it is upto the air force doctrine..the advanced |F-15 SE employ an additional weapon officer. And regarding F-22, it is main weapon is stealth, surprise..one pilot is enough..

The MKI has problems, its not a "God's Gift to Aviation" as you people make it out to be. Having an air superiority fighter does not makes you invincible, a true multi role fighter aircraft can get the job done equally as good. Have you forgotten the F16's hammering the MKI in WVR to the point during the RF2008 where the Indian pilots refused to go one on one. You guys seriously need to stop worshipping the MKI and not take it as a personal insult if its flaws are revealed, its a good fighter no doubt but is not unbeatable.

Again, it is not unbeatable and not a game changer. Lots of talks been there about RF, Im too bored to talk about it. And always keep in mind that when you go for an excercise outside your place, you wil be in maximum caution not to 'leak' anything. You can compare it with F-15 SE, if you have problem with Russian fobia, but trust me whoever got F-15s in their kitty, they really proud of it.

Most probably AIM9

Again blackmailing an elephant by a sword...

 

[Rafi]

The Amraam c5 and the SD-10 will make mincemeat out of the MKI.

 

[Ammyy]

The Amraam c5 and the SD-10 will make mincemeat out of the MKI.

What you thought we will send nalla MKI to your side ?????

 

[rockstarIN]

The Amraam c5 and the SD-10 will make mincemeat out of the MKI.

There is Jammers which will not allow you to lock on.. Its big and have long teeth..

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

The Amraam c5 and the SD-10 will make mincemeat out of the MKI.

R 77,Astra,Python 5,Derby,R-73 will make barbeque of BLK 52's.

 

[Rafi]

There is Jammers which will not allow you to lock on.. Its big and have long teeth..

We have jammers also - and we have long range cruise missiles that will destroy your mki's on the ground.

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

We have jammers also - and we have long range cruise missiles that will destroy your mki's on the ground.

We have SAM's & ABM's which will obliterate your Babur's.

 

[SQ8]

Alright kids.. back down..

shall I take requests to shut this thread down then??