Featured IAF airlifts dozens of tanks to Ladakh to beef up firepower

[Han Patriot]

One more add-hot-water-and-stir military genius!

If you had bothered to learn, my service was in aerospace and software for avionics. I do know a little bit, more than some smart-alec on an internet forum, about government procurement policies. A substantial amount of balancing equipment and ammunition are built into the purchase price; amounts are decided by the service people, not by the defence procurement staff.

A hyperbaric oxygen tank is needed for troops that have not gone through acclimatisation, a perennial problem with the PLA that has a policy of re-deploying troops from a central point or central points within military districts to that point on the borders where they are needed in each case. We have all seen propaganda pictures of soldiers in full uniform sitting in civilian airliners; such troops rushed in at short notice are not acclimatised, and need this equipment to stay alive. Please take the trouble of finding out the normal process of acclimatisation that Indian Army troops go through on deployment to a high altitude location. They are given several weeks to acclimatise.

So now you know what hyperbaric tanks are for.

Our soldiers died of exposure to extreme low temperatures, and to remaining unrescued in mountain streams after the assault on them by Chinese Border Guards. Hyperbaric tanks would have done nothing for them.

It is really surprising when people with little or no knowledge offer resounding technical opinions about a situation that they know nothing about, concerning an opposing army that they know less than nothing about.



If you have a point to make, make it, by all means. Do not repeat something I have said with an air of incredulity. By now, we have learnt that when you don't know what to say, you just use words as a smokescreen. It doesn't work after the first two or three times.

T72 tanks are designed from the first sketch onwards for operation in cold conditions. Those that we have in the desert actually have to be modified for hot weather conditions. These Russian tanks, the T-72 and the T-90, are actually in terms of temperature compatibility very well-suited to conditions in Ladakh.

The PLA GF needed a light tank for no other reason than for their need to be able to airlift tanks and other mobile equipment to a point of need. It has nothing to do with a high plateau. Try not to be fooled by your own propaganda.

Type 15 has a 1000hp engine and weights 30t, T72 weights 50t and has a 750hp engine. We have modern digital control and latest composite armor. Of course it has something to do with weight, that's why it's designed for Highland plateaus, your engine needs to work extra hard to move due to low oxygen content. That's common sense, even your army is looking for one now. You have no choice but to use T72 or T90.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yup, highjly technical ppl like you think using T72s on the plateau makes sense? LOL

One weights 50t with 700hp another weights 30t with 1000hp and that does not include special system against coolant freeze and digitized control

Except for the digitized control, nothing about the light tank makes it stand out of the ordinary. Russian tanks operating in Russian conditions are already more than adequately equipped for cold weather. Chinese tanks had to take that into account when designing their light tanks, because there was no older design to build upon.

You do realise that with 30 MT weight and a 1000 HP engine, you have the world's fastest armoured sports car?

 

[Han Patriot]

Except for the digitized control, nothing about the light tank makes it stand out of the ordinary. Russian tanks operating in Russian conditions are already more than adequately equipped for cold weather. Chinese tanks had to take that into account when designing their light tanks, because there was no older design to build upon.

You do realise that with 30 MT weight and a 1000 HP engine, you have the world's fastest armoured sports car?

Comparing Russia with Tibetan plateau?hahahahah epic Indian genius. Enough said. Seems you don't even know the advancement in lighter composite armour.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Type 15 has a 1000hp engine and weights 30t, T72 weights 50t and has a 750hp engine. We have modern digital control and latest composite armor. Of course it has something to do with weight, that's why it's designed for Highland plateaus, your engine needs to work extra hard to move due to low oxygen content. That's common sense, even your army is looking for one now. You have no choice but to use T72 or T90.

There is no effort at looking for effectively a beefed-up IFV, which is what your light tank is. Your composite armour story is quite apparent when we look at the weight. What is it built of, titanium honeycombs? Any base armour of any effectiveness would have taken it well beyond the 40 MT range.

Since you have your technical hat on, try and figure out which requires more oxygen, a 750 HP engine or a 1000 HP engine. It's a tough question so you had better call in for help.

Comparing Russia with Tibetan plateau?hahahahah epic Indian genius. Enough said. Seems you don't even know the advancement in lighter composite armour.

Yes, I am comparing Russia with the conditions in Ladakh, and there is every reason to. So far you have only done the incredulous laughter bit. With all the advances in composite armour, you still can't get a battle-worthy tank within 30 MT. So calm down; you won't win the war, if one takes place, by incredulous laughter on line.

You have two hours to ask knowledgeable people about these issues, as I will be making breakfast and doing domestic chores. I hope that is enough for you to go beyond the incredulous laughter stage and to learn what an engine does in terms of oxygen intake; also, the chances of designing composite armour that offers the same protection at 40% lesser weight.

Perhaps three hours will be better for you, but do your best.

 

[HalfMoon]

Comparing Russia with Tibetan plateau?hahahahah epic Indian genius. Enough said. Seems you don't even know the advancement in lighter composite armour.

He retired as a chef in Indian Army. Don't expect him to have profound technical knowledge in military equipment and tactics. You can ask him about Chow mien though.

 

[Han Patriot]

He retired as a chef in Indian Army. Don't expect him to have profound technical knowledge in military equipment and tactics. You can ask him about Chow mien though.

It's useless explaining to him oxygen depleted environment on engines. 1000hp tanks might only work at 30% reduction, so T72s are probably crawling liike snails up there. Lol

The moment he compares Tibet to Russia, you know he is a numb numb.

 

[Beast]

I would be happy to hear your reasons for saying so. How does a light tank 'dominant' the plateau? And what makes you think that anti-tank defences geared to defend against MBTs will be unable to hold off these type-15s? I am glad that you know the spelling of Indo-Gangetic Plain, whatever it is, but what makes you think that you know anything about these matters?



I fear so.

A weapon not designed for high plateau will have everything not working despite getting perfect score on low level terrain. Your T-72 may have the first shot or even repeating firing a dozen but I guess none will hit the target. The low oxygen and low atmospheric pressure will make everything difficult.

Type-15 is designed totally to solved high plateau combat with taking into consideration all these problems.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Now figure out what a fully equipped anti-tank infantry division will do against mechanised infantry (that normally has an armoured component built into it).

Same thing will happen what PAF did on feb 27.
What do you think PLAAF would do to those fully equipped anti tank infantary division? I mean you have to be really really day dreaming if you think IAF will be able to protect your formations. The fake pic of Skurdu could become reality. You don't know PLAAF can land anywhere Pakistan, Nepal and rumors are maybe Bangladesh too.
So Many Snack so Little Time

 

[Han Patriot]

A weapon not designed for high plateau will have everything not working despite getting perfect score on low level terrain. Your T-72 may have the first shot or even repeating firing a dozen but I guess none will hit the target. The low oxygen and atmospheric pressure will make everything difficult.

Even shots would not be accurate. You need digitised control to compensate the errors. That's why he doesn't understand that.

He thinks it's like Russia, just cold. Lolol

 

[hualushui]

One more add-hot-water-and-stir military genius!

If you had bothered to learn, my service was in aerospace and software for avionics. I do know a little bit, more than some smart-alec on an internet forum, about government procurement policies. A substantial amount of balancing equipment and ammunition are built into the purchase price; amounts are decided by the service people, not by the defence procurement staff.

A hyperbaric oxygen tank is needed for troops that have not gone through acclimatisation, a perennial problem with the PLA that has a policy of re-deploying troops from a central point or central points within military districts to that point on the borders where they are needed in each case. We have all seen propaganda pictures of soldiers in full uniform sitting in civilian airliners; such troops rushed in at short notice are not acclimatised, and need this equipment to stay alive. Please take the trouble of finding out the normal process of acclimatisation that Indian Army troops go through on deployment to a high altitude location. They are given several weeks to acclimatise.

So now you know what hyperbaric tanks are for.

Our soldiers died of exposure to extreme low temperatures, and to remaining unrescued in mountain streams after the assault on them by Chinese Border Guards. Hyperbaric tanks would have done nothing for them.

It is really surprising when people with little or no knowledge offer resounding technical opinions about a situation that they know nothing about, concerning an opposing army that they know less than nothing about.



If you have a point to make, make it, by all means. Do not repeat something I have said with an air of incredulity. By now, we have learnt that when you don't know what to say, you just use words as a smokescreen. It doesn't work after the first two or three times.

T72 tanks are designed from the first sketch onwards for operation in cold conditions. Those that we have in the desert actually have to be modified for hot weather conditions. These Russian tanks, the T-72 and the T-90, are actually in terms of temperature compatibility very well-suited to conditions in Ladakh.

The PLA GF needed a light tank for no other reason than for their need to be able to airlift tanks and other mobile equipment to a point of need. It has nothing to do with a high plateau. Try not to be fooled by your own propaganda.

Genius Indians once again proved the fact that everyone knows: when Indians cannot solve the problem, they talk nonsense and quibble
Did the Indians die of low temperature? Yes, but why wouldn't a healthy person die? Why are thousands of soldiers deployed in India on the frontline not dying of low temperature? Why didn't the PLA die of low temperature?
Indians, you don’t even have the courage to face up to the problem. You dare not face the reality of poor living conditions of Indian soldiers, and the reality of poor logistics supplies for Indian soldiers.
Yes, to your group of higher people, Indian soldiers are all inferior, they can eat the food that pigs eat and live, it is the gift of your higher people

 

[Yaseen1]

when they run away after facing defeat from china these will be left and china will capture these weapons resulting in more loss to india

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Things are looking grim for the injuns.

While tussling with the Chinese in Ladakh they might get approached from the backside with a minar e Pakistan aiming for their .....

use this scene as reference:

 

[Beast]

Even shots would not be accurate. You need digitised control to compensate the errors. That's why he doesn't understand that.

He thinks it's like Russia, just cold. Lolol

He just put on a brave front. Keep humiliating himself.

 

[mig25]

Type 15 has a 1000hp engine and weights 30t, T72 weights 50t and has a 750hp engine. We have modern digital control and latest composite armor. Of course it has something to do with weight, that's why it's designed for Highland plateaus, your engine needs to work extra hard to move due to low oxygen content. That's common sense, even your army is looking for one now. You have no choice but to use T72 or T90.

We are talking Diesel engines. Effects of altitude are less dramatic on Diesels than Gasoline engines. The older engines are tried, trusted and will do the job.

 

[Mrc]

All above will only be relevant if india chose to fight


At the moment their fighters are flying without missiles attached to pylons for photo oppertunity without looking threatening to chinese