I oppose imran khan decision of giving citizenships to illegal aliens

[Kabira]

What human rights when you remove someone based on his religion. Don't play this human rights BS with Pakistan.

 

[TMA]

We want to see Pakistan prosperous, free from corruption, with strong economy and larger TAXNET. In order to achieve all this, we need strong leadership who is willing to take some risk. Over 60% of our population doesn't pay taxes because we have a broken system. We need to digitalizes the entire system so no can escape or hide their assents. Our problem is that we haven't learn from our mistakes, and we are still living in 60s and 70s mindset. Why west is successful and we are falling behind?
Just to give you an example, in United States of America many undocumented immigrants pay both federal income and payroll taxes even if they don’t have a Social Security number (which is normally required) and even if their income was earned by working illegally. They file taxes using Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). USA is collecting taxes from legal and as well as undocumented immigrants and we can't even collect taxes from our own citizens.

As far as the refugees and undocumented immigrants are concerns, my opinion is very clear. We need to legalize all 1st and 2nd generation Afghani, Bengali, Burmese and anyone else living in Pakistan after proper checks and balances (background and criminal check). There has to be process of legalizing these refugees and those enter Pakistan illegally.
Pakistani government has to start the amnesty process by allowing refugees and undocumented immigrants to submit an application for permanent resident card (PRC).
Pakistan immigration services must convert the paper applications to digital form. This will give us an idea about number of refugees and undocumented immigrants living in Pakistan.
Once these refugees and UI are given PRC, they should immediately be added to TAXNET and they must file annually tax to keep PRC valid.

[my opinion is to settle majority of them into interior Sindh and South Punjab (which mean giving them domicile of certain cities in interior Sindh and South Punjab). This should be in their PRC, Domicile: Nawabshah, Sindh]

After the grace period (5 to 10 years depend on government), these PRC holders should allowed to submit their list of assets including Tax record with application for Pakistani Citizenship. There should be a clause that if they found of any anti state activity, their citizenship can be revoked and they be deported to their formal country.

There should be Citizenship oath ceremony to formally allowing them to become Pakistani Citizen. Citizenship oath is to acknowledging that they will not hold dual citizenship and will be patriotic Pakistan.

Citizenship oath Ver1: "I, [name], do solemnly swear that I shall consider Islamic republic of Pakistan as my homeland. I shall be a loyal citizen of the Islamic republic of Pakistan. I solemnly declare that I will respect and observe the Basic Law and the laws of the Islamic republic of Pakistan, and that I will refrain from any activity which might cause it harm, and that I will support, honour and observe its Constitution and laws. I shall defend my homeland in function with my force, and shall serve it to the best of my ability. So help me God!"

Citizenship oath Ver2: "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen. I solemnly declare that I will respect and observe the Basic Law and the laws of the Islamic republic of Pakistan, and that I will refrain from any activity which might cause it harm, and that I will support and defend it's Constitution and laws."

Do you not get it?

If they are allowed full citizenship they will bring Afghans from abroad into the country via marriage. Passports does not buy patriotism. A simple oath is nothing. Military service at the Pakistan-Afghan Border would be enough.
And also let us say that later on his does a crime or does anti-state activity....you say repatriate him. Do you know how many legal hurdles Pakistan will have to go through?...it would much easier to repatriate him as a refugee than as a citizen.

Look, the Pakistanis who are born and bred here have not really assimilated as whole. We think of ourselves as Pakistanis. We would never fight for the UK against Pakistan (as a whole). And there is no border dispute between the UK and Pakistan and we are separated by 3800 miles.
On the other hand, the Afghans will be anchor point as Afghanistan is next door and will be a massive vote bank to anti state parties.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Pashtunistan in the making

There is not a single chance for that. Phustuns are so much intrigated into Pakistan society, even more then sindhi and balochi.
The last 5 years of Imran khan government really bought them out of shadows and mainstreamed them.
Though some elements are propped up from time to time, like manzoor phasteen. But there is no danger from this side.

 

[TMA]

Why can't we, for example, follow the Chinese, Russian, Saudi, Kuwaiti, Japanese, and Korean examples (etc..) when it comes to immigration laws?

These countries are rising powers and projected to replace the dying West yet no Pakistani cares to look to them and follow them where it will benefit our countries. Why must we always look towards the West?

@Psychic @django @Reichsmarschall

Cos Imran Khan and others like him are infected with this concept of "pseudo Human rights".
He needs to look after his people first and foremost.

I cannot believe the number of Pakistanis on PDF who think one is Pakistani just by being born on the land of Pakistan even if he is a refugee.

As if I am a Briton. No. I am a Pakistani that holds a British Passport. This does not mean I am patriotic for Britain. (Of course I obey the laws and pay my taxes).

The point is I am not blaming the refugees.They seek a better material life. But their patriotism is not with Pakistan. Even those who do not hate Pakistan...they no love Pakistan they do not "believe in Pakistan".
My issue is with Pakistanis....

There is not a single chance for that. Phustuns are so much intrigated into Pakistan society, even more then sindhi and balochi.
The last 5 years of Imran khan government really bought them out of shadows and mainstreamed them.
Though some elements are propped up from time to time, like manzoor phasteen. But there is no danger from this side.

Oh yeah. Just imagine all the Afghan refugees get citizenship. Then let us say 50 % marry Afghans from Afghanistan. Give it two or three generations....
Pakistani Pukhtoons are Pakistani...they "believe" in Pakistan...Afghans DO NOT.

 

[Kabira]

There is not a single chance for that. Phustuns are so much intrigated into Pakistan society, even more then sindhi and balochi.
The last 5 years of Imran khan government really bought them out of shadows and mainstreamed them.
Though some elements are propped up from time to time, like manzoor phasteen. But there is no danger from this side.

What do you mean by baloch and sindhi are not integrated? They are more integrated then urdu speakers and pashtuns. They don't have baggage left behind of tribal love affair with their kin across the border.

Punjab is useless but Baloch and Sindh will oppose any move to grant these afghanis citizenship just because our pashtun nationalist PM want it.

 

[El Sidd]

They don't have baggage left behind of tribal love affair with their kin across the border.

You are saying this as a punjabi Nationalist?

 

[Kabira]

You are saying this as a punjabi Nationalist?

Pakistani nationalist.

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistani nationalist.

You wanted to secede from Pakistan less than 6 months ago. You even discussed a new name with me.

 

[Al-zakir]

Yes all of us know there is a problem but the solution is not wily nilly citizenship.

What your formula to this problem?

PM made aware of his intension and he wants to do something about it.

 

[Kabira]

You wanted to secede from Pakistan less than 6 months ago. You even discussed a new name with me.

And why I would do that?

 

[El Sidd]

And why I would do that?

I dont know. Refresh my Memory please

 

[VCheng]

What your formula to this problem?

PM made aware of his intension and he wants to do something about it.

The intention must follow the prescribed due process to become reality.

 

[TMA]

What your formula to this problem?

PM made aware of his intension and he wants to do something about it.

Incentivise repatriation.
How does Iran deal with Afghan refugees?
How does Bharat and Bangladesh deal with theirs?

 

[Pakistansdefender]

What do you mean by baloch and sindhi are not integrated? They are more integrated then urdu speakers and pashtuns. They don't have baggage left behind of tribal love affair with their kin across the border.

Punjab is useless but Baloch and Sindh will oppose any move to grant these afghanis citizenship just because our pashtun nationalist PM want it.

First my friend please control your emotions and listen calmly.
We both have very similar views regarding this issue.
I only meant that phustuns in general, women, men and every part of their society are interested into Pakistani society. That doesn't mean that bloach and Sindhis are not. They are too integrated well. But there are some elements that for their personal vote play the sindhi and balochi card.
Phustun card is also played by ANP or other ethnic leaders, but the majority of phustuns has shun them and adopted mainstream Political parties.
There is no danger or worry about Phustun belt. They themselves shun Afghans or manzoor phasteen types.
There is a reason for Urdu speaking people. They are abondoned by everyone. They are let alone. And suddenly the class that was most educated become target killers and anti Pakistan under altaf hussain.
The Sindhis and Sindh government treat them as non humans. And this I'll treatment of karachi and urdu speaking people is really really sad.
The Sindhis are really insecure. we have equal amount of mahagir in punjab and their are totally integrated. They are not mistreated like they do in Sindh and the captical governent has also shun them. So resentment was born in them..
Yes the parliament and provinces has full right and they would remove this suggestion by pm.
Mind you this is suggestion, this would never come to life.
But this really gives us something to think.

 

[TMA]

First my friend please control your emotions and listen calmly.
We both have very similar views regarding this issue.
I only meant that phustuns in general, women, men and every part of their society are interested into Pakistani society. That doesn't mean that bloach and Sindhis are not. They are too integrated well. But there are some elements that for their personal vote play the sindhi and balochi card.
Phustun card is also played by ANP or other ethnic leaders, but the majority of phustuns has shun them and adopted mainstream Political parties.
There is no danger or worry about Phustun belt. They themselves shun Afghans or manzoor phasteen types.
There is a reason for Urdu speaking people. They are abondoned by everyone. They are let alone. And suddenly the class that was most educated become target killers and anti Pakistan under altaf hussain.
The Sindhis and Sindh government treat them as non humans. And this I'll treatment of karachi and urdu speaking people is really really sad.
The Sindhis are really insecure. we have equal amount of mahagir in punjab and their are totally integrated. They are not mistreated like they do in Sindh and the captical governent has also shun them. So resentment was born in them..
Yes the parliament and provinces has full right and they would remove this suggestion by pm.
Mind you this is suggestion, this would never come to life.
But this really gives us something to think.

Imran Khan is hard nosed...he will not let up....he is saying he wants a debate and your suggestions...but in the end he wants full citizenship.for them...as if this will buy patriotism.

I hope you are right