Hurriyat leader meets Pakistan envoy after talks called off

[Viny]

to be quite frank and quite honest - this is advice best served for YOU and your people

Thanks for your frankness and honesty, it would be my pleasure to show you india from grass root level. Be my guest, trust me i would not give negative ratings for your rants, but would give you positive ratings when your misconceptions about India and ground level Indians are cleared and you would realize that in general Indians dont even think of Pakistan even once in a years time. Unless there is any action at border or there is any terrorist activity. In fact 95% or more will not even know more than 2 pakistani cities name.

Please dont eat media polished stories, all they want is to sell, flavor doesnt matter to them. Open your eyes and ears to open minded indians either on this forum or global forums or internet your vision and perception would change not only for India but for world at large.

Thanks for your ears and time, have a great day

 

[Sankpal]

Kashmir is integral part of Pakistan & they have shown their love for Pakistan many times.

yes yes...pls come srinagar without indian Visa..... i wanna meet u.... kashimiri never want to join pak but may few people want totaly free kashmir from pak n india..... n thats a fact...... accept or not your choice

Bina wajah hi apna blood bajaye jaa rahe ho... milna to kabhi kuch nahi hai...... 67 years n still .. not learnt

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

kashimiri never want to join pak but may few people want totaly free kashmir from pak n india..... n thats a fact...... accept or not your choice

Bina wajah hi apna blood bajaye jaa rahe ho... milna to kabhi kuch nahi hai...... 67 years n still .. not learnt

On Pakistan's Independence day, country's flags appear in Kashmir - The Kashmir Walla - The Kashmir Walla


(and yes - i'll happily provide indian sources too if it means pre-empting rants and raves)

 

[kurup]

Bunch of uncivilised apes

Those are Kashmiris themselves ........

cry me a river and go find another forum if you feel your pride is hurt

on subject - india's position on this matter is one of total weakness and fright

The exact same feeling Indians have when Pakistanis talk about Kashmir .

 

[kurup]

On Pakistan's Independence day, country's flags appear in Kashmir - The Kashmir Walla - The Kashmir Walla

(and yes - i'll happily provide indian sources too if it means pre-empting rants and raves)

And the same flock to join the military .

4000 aspirants for 7 vacancies

 

[nair]

on subject - india's position on this matter is one of total weakness and fright

It depends on which side you are in and how you perceive the matter...... Well probably this is the time when India is at its strongest point (after 71 victory)..... Let us not assume India as weak now (even in this matter).... But if we are talking about Pakistan then it is at one of the weakest period... because of its internal issues.....

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[INDIC]

Sorry but there was no partition all our civilization did is regain our independence/freedom from the British Empire hence why we refer to it as "independence day" not "post partition day".

For those parroting the "Hindustan" nonsense get real there never was any such country nor has the term, particularly when used by foreigners, ever been used to refer to any particular religious or ethnic group or even people with a shared history and common government much like the term "Asia" today. "India" as a country never existed before the British occupation of countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, etc... In fact the oldest known name for Pakistan was one used by Mesopotamia which referred to our nation as "Meluha" and our coastline as "Makran" (pg. 285 of "History of Civilizations of Central Asia, Volume 1") from about 2500 BC and our did not encompass modern day India (other than Gujrat and small sections of Punjab but at this time the Indian peoples would not have reached our borders).

The Pakistani civilization (which includes Kashmir) and Indian civilization are two distinct groups with our civilization having been born and flourished within Pakistan. Our civilization was composed of two neolithic settlements the most significant being that of Mehrgarh and the much smaller settlement of Burzahom (located in the portion of Kashmir India now occupies) which spread throughout Pakistan particularly along the Indus and it's tributaries just as the Mesopotamians spread along the Tigris and Euphrates, the Egyptians along the Nile and the Chinese along the Yellow River. India's civilization on the other hand began in two locations the first was the Belan Valley from where they spread into the Gangetic valley and eventually along the Ganges the other being settlements located in Tamil Nadu.

Kashmir is our ancestral territory and they are our people.

Your state sponsored terrorism of the innocents and continued denial of their right to self determination is both a violation of their human rights and complete hypocrisy considering you were once asking for the same from the British.

However, we will continue to support our Kashmiri brethren in their quest for freedom.

Everything East of the Indus from Gandhara in North-West to Dravida in South India was the ancient Bharat/India/Hindustan and modern Hindus still carry the culture of Indus valley civilization and Indians still carry the ancient folkore and culture associated with that ancient land East of the Indus rive. The only basis for creation of Pakistan was Muslims homeland for the Muslims of North-West and East Bengal. your above explanation is nothing more than a bullshit. BTW why to do the golmaal of history of Indus plains after the Indus valley civilization like Vedic culture, ancient Hindu kings of Bharat, Maurya-Gupta empires. Also, the culture of East of the Indus has nothing to do with culture of Pashtuns and Baloch living in the west of the Indus river.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

It depends on which side you are in and how you perceive the matter...... Well probably this is the time when India is at its strongest point (after 71 victory)..... Let us not assume India as weak now (even in this matter).... But if we are talking about Pakistan then it is at one of the weakest period... because of its internal issues.....

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its funny when indian bring up 71 but then lecture others on terrorism.....fact of the matter is, many realities changed since then. 1998 should permanently be plastered on the sad memories of jingoistic indians who thought they could bully Pakistan or intimidate us.

despite the issues - we can still keep india in check if and when needed.....that's all that mattters

internal matters are for us to solve and not for your to analyze or comment on

as for Pakistani nation as a people - its more integrated and the people are more patriotic than ever in its history.....so lying to yourselves or under-estimating Pakistan will be much to your own peril (and total disappointment)

 

[INDIC]

despite the issues - we can still keep india in check if and when needed.....that's all that mattters

internal matters are for us to solve and not for your to analyze or comment on

as for Pakistani nation as a people - its more integrated and the people are more patriotic than ever in its history.....so lying to yourselves or under-estimating Pakistan will be much to your own peril (and total disappointment)

Remind me of Christine Fair's Just a Fleshwound remark.

 

[zip]

Pakistanis will support Kashmir for a 1000 years. We don't care what an Indian extremist mass murderer has to say.

Make sure that you are on your legs to support others ..

 

[Zarvan]

Hurriyat leader meets Pakistan envoy after talks called off | Business Standard News

So as I said yesterday. Pakistani response to Indian calling off talks was as predicted. We don't give even a single f*** to you or your decisions.

Good job keep meeting and support freedom struggle in Kashmir and let these Indian Goverments cry

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Remind me of Christine Fair's Just a Fleshwound remark.

naturally she would be your indian ideal but she isnt ours

the lady is such a fraud - she's just butt-hurt because her ex Pakistani boyfriend abandoned her for someone else....ever since that happened she's taken a total u-turn.......you should read some of her older works where she berates your country

at panel debates - the moderators as well as military (active, retired) folks always debase and contradict her points, causing her to go quiet and mum.

 

[nair]

its funny when indian bring up 71 but then lecture others on terrorism.....fact of the matter is, many realities changed since then. 1998 should permanently be plastered on the sad memories of jingoistic indians who thought they could bully Pakistan or intimidate us.

despite the issues - we can still keep india in check if and when needed.....that's all that mattters

internal matters are for us to solve and not for your to analyze or comment on

as for Pakistani nation as a people - its more integrated and the people are more patriotic than ever in its history.....so lying to yourselves or under-estimating Pakistan will be much to your own peril (and total disappointment)

LOL....So mentioning 71 hurt your feelings? Well that was not the intention, and it was mentioned in brackets and the intention was not to have a discussion which is the strongest time for India, (or else some one could come up with a post saying 71 was the strongest point and the discussion would divert).....

Well Yes Pakistan can keep a check on India and we are very well aware the tested and proven ways to do so.... But then we have moved away from 90's, and life is not as it was in 90s.....

When it comes to Internal politics, you are absolutely right it is matter for you to resolve, and you will.... But the analysis was not done by me, just a quick read of the threads in your internal section will give you that idea. And your own country men has analysed it....

Pakistan's integration is none of our concern as you mentioned above, it is your problem/achievement.... We have nothing to do with it.....

Sorry i will be disappointing you here, if you were looking for a hawkish indian to discuss with....

 

[INDIC]

naturally she would be your indian ideal but she isnt ours

the lady is such a fraud - she's just butt-hurt because her ex Pakistani boyfriend abandoned her for someone else....every since that happened she's taken a total u-turn.......you should read some of her older works where she berates your country

The things she wrote about Pakistan is already known to the world. Going into her personal life is bizarre and useless. As for Kashmir, Pakistanis forget that Kashmir as an integral and unbreakable part of India is deeply ingrained in Indian mindset, you won't get even an inch of it either in war or negotiation table, you know how much land you got or lost in between 1948-2014 after first Kashmir war ended.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

LOL....So mentioning 71 hurt your feelings? Well that was not the intention, and it was mentioned in brackets and the intention was not to have a discussion which is the strongest time for India, (or else some one could come up with a post saying 71 was the strongest point and the discussion would divert).....

we've moved on a long time ago......but now the "liberated" are the same people who hurl abuses at india and the same people your brave forces attack (civilians mostly). Ironic turn of events

i think you're still bummed because unlike the other South Asian countries, you dont stand a chance to impose your will or hegemony on Pakistan

Well Yes Pakistan can keep a check on India and we are very well aware the tested and proven ways to do so.... But then we have moved away from 90's, and life is not as it was in 90s.....

for you hindistanis it sure is because you keep harping over historical things

Sorry i will be disappointing you here, if you were looking for a hawkish indian to discuss with....

It ruined my day faster than this poorly prepared cup of coffee could