Hurriyat leader meets Pakistan envoy after talks called off

[Abu Zolfiqar]

That is according to you. Also they dont have any representative.

bullshit

Kashmiri Pandits: Why we never fled Kashmir - Kashmir: The forgotten conflict - Al Jazeera English

Who are you talking about ?

now what are you confused about

 

[Biplab Bijay]

bullshit

Kashmiri Pandits: Why we never fled Kashmir - Kashmir: The forgotten conflict - Al Jazeera English



now what are you confused about

"Sanjay Tickoo remembers it well. It was a warm summer's day in 1990, when he found a poster pasted to the outside wall of his home in Srinagar, the capital of Indian-administered Kashmir. It was written in Urdu, which Sanjay could not read, so he took it to his grandfather and asked him to translate it.

"As he read it out to us, tears rolled down his cheeks ... it basically instructed our family to leave the valley or die," Tickoo tells me as we sit in a café at the foot of Jhelum River in Srinagar.

But, unlike the estimated 100,000 Hindus from the valley - known as Kashmiri Pandits - who embarked on a mass migration south to Jammu following the start of the insurgency against Indian rule in 1989, Tickoo's family refused to leave. "

The Hindu minority in Muslim majority Kashmir shrank from an estimated 140,000 in the late 1980s to 19,865 by 1998. Today, Tickoo says there are fewer than 3,400 Pandits in Kashmir. Others say the number is around 2,700.


This from the link you have posted. Ok ? You are only confused . What about that ? Who are you fooling here ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

“It’s almost as if the government is saying we can live with Pakistan shooting our troops on the Line of Control, but having tea with secessionists — that’s unforgivable.”

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“Indian civil society played a vital role in Kashmir by facilitating a transition from violent militancy to a non-violent democratic movement... by isolating pro-freedom leadership and choking the democratic political space does the government want to push them back to a violent past?” Mr Malik asked.

...........

In the middle of the showdown in Islamabad, few in Pakistan seemed to have noticed the arriving talks with India. Indian analysts on their part were struggling to stay with their standard theme about the Pakistan army.

After the Hurriyat showdown they were even more clueless: Was the Pakistan army going to fish in the troubled waters at home, or did it have the stamina and the focus to plot the souring of ties with India?

The speculation is unrelenting.

Some of the most ardent critics of Pakistan’s apparent support for cross-border terror were sanguine that it was still Islamabad’s business to talk to the Kashmiris since the issue was an article of faith with Islamabad, and because it had the full support of both, the Shimla Agreement and the Lahore Declaration.

The cancellation of foreign secretary-level talks didn’t stop Mr Basit from having another round of meetings with Mr Malik and other Hurriyat leaders on Tuesday.


India’s ‘self-goal’ on Kashmir triggers debate - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

"Sanjay Tickoo remembers it well. It was a warm summer's day in 1990, when he found a poster pasted to the outside wall of his home in Srinagar, the capital of Indian-administered Kashmir. It was written in Urdu, which Sanjay could not read, so he took it to his grandfather and asked him to translate it.

"As he read it out to us, tears rolled down his cheeks ... it basically instructed our family to leave the valley or die," Tickoo tells me as we sit in a café at the foot of Jhelum River in Srinagar.

But, unlike the estimated 100,000 Hindus from the valley - known as Kashmiri Pandits - who embarked on a mass migration south to Jammu following the start of the insurgency against Indian rule in 1989, Tickoo's family refused to leave. "

The Hindu minority in Muslim majority Kashmir shrank from an estimated 140,000 in the late 1980s to 19,865 by 1998. Today, Tickoo says there are fewer than 3,400 Pandits in Kashmir. Others say the number is around 2,700.


This from the link you have posted. Ok ? You are only confused . What about that ? Who are you fooling here ?

I'm doing great thanks for asking.

In the same link I posted, you missed the gosht and only cherry-picked the vegetables

But Tickoo, who now heads up the KPSS, an organisation that looks after the affairs of the Pandits who remain in Kashmir, says that the plight of the community is complex.

On the one hand, he says, the community did experience intimidation and violence, which culminated in four massacres in the past 20 years. But, on the other, he says, there was no genocide or mass murder as suggested by Pandit communities based outside Kashmir.

"Over the past 20 years, we estimate that 650 Pandits were killed in the valley," Tickoo says, adding: "The figures of 3,000 to 4,000 killings [as suggested by some Pandit organisations] is propaganda, which we reject."

the ground reality is that pundits did leave in some numbers - primarily for economic reasons....india incentivized them to leave in order to try to "integrate" Kashmiri (hindus) in indian society. Demographically, this doesnt work in india's favour. Furthermore, you have pundit organizations which reject indian hegemony as well.

its in indias interest to harp on about non-issues like pundits - as this gives them some moral 'cover' of sorts and deflects attention away from the issue of genocide of Kashmiri Muslims, mass graves, fake encounters, and using rape as a tool to subjugate Kashmiri women

 

[Biplab Bijay]

“It’s almost as if the government is saying we can live with Pakistan shooting our troops on the Line of Control, but having tea with secessionists — that’s unforgivable.”

.........

“Indian civil society played a vital role in Kashmir by facilitating a transition from violent militancy to a non-violent democratic movement... by isolating pro-freedom leadership and choking the democratic political space does the government want to push them back to a violent past?” Mr Malik asked.

...........

In the middle of the showdown in Islamabad, few in Pakistan seemed to have noticed the arriving talks with India. Indian analysts on their part were struggling to stay with their standard theme about the Pakistan army.

After the Hurriyat showdown they were even more clueless: Was the Pakistan army going to fish in the troubled waters at home, or did it have the stamina and the focus to plot the souring of ties with India?

The speculation is unrelenting.

Some of the most ardent critics of Pakistan’s apparent support for cross-border terror were sanguine that it was still Islamabad’s business to talk to the Kashmiris since the issue was an article of faith with Islamabad, and because it had the full support of both, the Shimla Agreement and the Lahore Declaration.

The cancellation of foreign secretary-level talks didn’t stop Mr Basit from having another round of meetings with Mr Malik and other Hurriyat leaders on Tuesday.

India’s ‘self-goal’ on Kashmir triggers debate - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

As long as kashmiri Hindus are not included, it does not matter.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

As long as kashmiri Hindus are not included, it does not matter.

and guess what?? Even hardline seperatist organizations like APHC have been demanding and pleading with the pundits (who actually did leave out of fear) to return back to occupied territories!

wow!!

 

[Biplab Bijay]

“It’s almost as if the government is saying we can live with Pakistan shooting our troops on the Line of Control, but having tea with secessionists — that’s unforgivable.”

.........

“Indian civil society played a vital role in Kashmir by facilitating a transition from violent militancy to a non-violent democratic movement... by isolating pro-freedom leadership and choking the democratic political space does the government want to push them back to a violent past?” Mr Malik asked.

...........

In the middle of the showdown in Islamabad, few in Pakistan seemed to have noticed the arriving talks with India. Indian analysts on their part were struggling to stay with their standard theme about the Pakistan army.

After the Hurriyat showdown they were even more clueless: Was the Pakistan army going to fish in the troubled waters at home, or did it have the stamina and the focus to plot the souring of ties with India?

The speculation is unrelenting.

Some of the most ardent critics of Pakistan’s apparent support for cross-border terror were sanguine that it was still Islamabad’s business to talk to the Kashmiris since the issue was an article of faith with Islamabad, and because it had the full support of both, the Shimla Agreement and the Lahore Declaration.

The cancellation of foreign secretary-level talks didn’t stop Mr Basit from having another round of meetings with Mr Malik and other Hurriyat leaders on Tuesday.

India’s ‘self-goal’ on Kashmir triggers debate - Newspaper - DAWN.COM



I'm doing great thanks for asking.

In the same link I posted, you missed the gosht and only cherry-picked the vegetables








the ground reality is that pundits did leave in some numbers - primarily for economic reasons....india incentivized them to leave in order to try to "integrate" Kashmiri (hindus) in indian society. Demographically, this doesnt work in india's favour. Furthermore, you have pundit organizations which reject indian hegemony as well.

its in indias interest to harp on about non-issues like pundits - as this gives them some moral 'cover' of sorts and deflects attention away from the issue of genocide of Kashmiri Muslims, mass graves, fake encounters, and using rape as a tool to subjugate Kashmiri women

Some numbers ? let me copy paste it from the same article again .

And this is very important.

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"I am not saying that [Kashmiri Pandits and Muslims] were brothers in arms, living in each other's homes or something before 1989. Yes, there was an unmistakable tolerance and respect for each other ... violence was unheard of ... but it would be a lie to say something did not change when the trouble started."

From hateful slogans that blared from the loudspeakers of mosques to comments whispered on the streets, Tickoo says there was a sudden change in attitude towards Hindus. And these shifting sentiments were used by politicians on both sides, helping to stoke fear among the Hindu minority."




This community was made up of small numbers by proportion and, yes, we had around 600,000 to 700,000 people, but maximum people left around 1990/1991 - and major killings took place after 1991."

Bhat says that people soon realised - whatever their political persuasion or sympathies - that they were at the mercy of both the security forces and the separatists.
He contends that Kashmiri Muslims, who he says "regretted" the departure of the Pandits, were too slow to react.
"It was too late, and people had already left ... they should have come forward to the minority. It is the moral duty of the majority to look after the minority and include them ... if you are in a minority you face a psychological threat, a vulnerability."
He says the Pandits who stayed behind were sometimes treated with distrust.
"The question on everyone's mind at the time was: If all the Pandits have left, then why are you still here? [Consequently] both sides often saw us [Pandits] as informers. We suffered intimidation from both sides."
It is a sentiment Suman Vikash Bhat, a 33-year-old assistant professor of Microbiology at Islamic University of Science and Technology, situated at the foothills of a range of mountains some 28km outside Srinagar, shares.


So the reason of migration is there. The kashmiri muslims use their place of worship to spread hate . Is it islamic ?who you are lying ? And where are their representatives ? Mirwaiz Farooq ? Or GilanI ? Unless they are rehabilitated, it does not matter.

and guess what?? Even hardline seperatist organizations like APHC have been demanding and pleading with the pundits (who actually did leave out of fear) to return back to occupied territories!

wow!!

Where is the demand ? where is the protest in support of kashmiri pundits ? Only statements. Just like statements against terrorists but protests against non-muslims in muslim world. If they really wanted it, they should have said that as long as they are not settled in Kashmir, their will be no talk with anyone. Kashmir will remain shut. Who you are lying ?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Because majority of the focus is on ending the indian occupation. Kashmir is not a part of india.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Because majority of the focus is on ending the indian occupation. Kashmir is not a part of india.

And that focus they have removed these pundits from their home ? Or to prove their majority they did this ? And from places of worship the hate speech was shouted ? In a islamic way ? Still now no demand, no protest has been made for their rehabilitation. Only statements. No representative of them are their in any discussion. Those who remained their, they are living in fear ( as per your article ). Majority has left because of fear ( as per your article ). And you are lying that they have left for economic reasons ?

As long as they are not included in talk, as long as they are not rehabilitated there, it is meaningless. it does not matter.

 

[chhota bheem]

Because majority of the focus is on ending the indian occupation. Kashmir is not a part of india.

Ok

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

all exaggerated claims....hardliner, moderates, seculars - Pro Pakistan or Pro Independence all have one thing in common (among several). Pundits should return, as per their views

research, learn

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Ok

He does not have the answers. he is now searching another propaganda news article for it. The islamic Allzajeera is also supporting what i have said.

 

[Aarush]

And that focus they have removed these pundits from their home ? Or to prove their majority they did this ? And from places of worship the hate speech was shouted ? In a islamic way ? Still now no demand, no protest has been made for their rehabilitation. Only statements. No representative of them are their in any discussion. Those who remained their, they are living in fear ( as per your article ). Majority has left because of fear ( as per your article ). And you are lying that they have left for economic reasons ?

As long as they are not included in talk, as long as they are not rehabilitated there, it is meaningless. it does not matter.

Check your signature.......

 

[Biplab Bijay]

all exaggerated claims....hardliner, moderates, seculars - Pro Pakistan or Pro Independence all have one thing in common (among several). Pundits should return, as per their views

research, learn

Where is the demand ? where is the protest ? Where are their representatives ? you forced them to leave. Now you must protest to bring them back. I have just quoted your article which says that they are removed from the valley forcefully. And the hate speeches are originated from your places of worship. Where is the demand ? I have researched. I know it.

 

[Areesh]

Yes, that happened when Pakistan was already in the outskirts of Srinagar when Indian troops entered in Kashmir but will you please how much inch of land Pakistan gained or lost(perhaps half of the country in 1971) after the ceasefire of 1 January 1949.

Well we have much more than an inch of Kashmir. So your claim of not giving an inch is lame. We never wanted an inch either. So thank you for endorsing and agreeing with our claim.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Check your signature.......

Their forum they can edit it. when they do not find any argument they does it. Even webby, Aero all are like that. But few members are reasonable.