HOW WE (PAKISTANIS) SHORTCHANGED BANGLADESH

[qamar1990]

you guys need to stop arguing, we need to get over **** and move on as muslim brothers forget everything else nothing is going to change the past but we can move forward as brothers or still hold grudges and be angry and get no result.

 

[PlanetSoldier]

lol 9 months war is long enough to break back bone of country but 12 years war is much smaller than 9 month. You faced 9 month war, had you been facing a long war (12+years) like Pakistan your country would've break into pieces. Even Soviet Union could not survive in this war whereas Pakistan is still standing(Masha'llah) with economy growing somewhat.

Imran Khan recently addressed the root cause standing in your parliament, did you hear that? It's beinsafi-gross unjust to Pakistan's own people from the beginning. I know very few are there to listen to one who senses the reality, common here in Bangladesh too. But if you're able to analyze the consequences based on the reality, it may change the future course.

 

[Skies]

Well PK could have accepted 4 or 5 points of the 6 points, who knows... things could have been otherwise then

 

[Skies]

Nothing was acceptable to Pakistan, not even a Bengali leader. You wouldn't hand over power to a Bengali, nor would you accept the demand of a separate administration. Bengalis were as patriotic as any other Pakistani. I don't know which side was right and which side was wrong but it was about what is fair and what was just. 6 points programme would have established a better system for a country where two major parts are separated by a huge distance. It wasn't acceptable to you[note the minority]. You people didn't play a fair democracy and the united Pakistan suffered its consequences. Therefore before pointing at us for breaking Pakistan, try to learn your mistakes as well.

I find this post very balanced, but Mujib was already accused of Agartala Case that made him less faithful to W.PK rulers.

 

[animelive]

I find this post very balanced, but Mujib was already accused of Agartala Case that made him less faithful to W.PK rulers.

which was never proved, nor was he put into trial. That makes it as credible as the accusations in ICT

 

[Skies]

I think the Dr. Kamal Hossain narrative is one sided to make his position in history look good. A self serving book most likely. His activities after Independence shows he has little worth in the country.

I think he does not want to go against the trend

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

1. I was talking about the average rate of GDP per Capita, better for measuring the living standard, not the average rate of GDP. You are again talking about the different point that I did not say.

GDP and GDP per capita both are connected to each other. If the GDP growth rate is high then so is the case for GDP per capita as well. If not then compare GDP per capita growth from 1972-2012, you will find a much higher GDP growth then your east Pakistani time. Already I have shown from 1972-2012 average GDP growth rate for Bangladesh is 7.7% which is not only higher then east pakistani period but also from that of Pakistan.

2. Form 1975 was chosen for canceling out the destructive effects of the war for first four years [71-75], plus a long period of 36 years was taking into account that actually can give a better picture. You know, the longer the period, more consistent the scenario/result.

I have also taken into the account of destructive activities and still it came as 7.7% average GDP growth.

1975 was not an usual year to begin with. Due to receiving of aid money and sudden nationalization of all the industries there were an artificial spike on GDP only for that year which never represented the reality of Bangladesh which eventually brought down to the level of previous year gdp just next year. Bangladesh reached the sustainable GDP level in 1984 which was there due to sudden spike in 1975.

If you really like to take the war affect out it should be started from either 1976 or 77 as from that point Bangladesh started to achieve sustainable growth rate. Otherwise if any one take an unusual year like 75 it would never represent the real growth rate even 100 year has been taken for consideration.

The below GDP curve vs year validate my argument. Anyone looking into the curve can say that 1975 was unusual year. But propagandist like you has chosen that year cleverly to demonize Bangladesh's achievement and to do Pakistani dalali. Anyone not having idea about that will surely fall as a victim of that propaganda.

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[UKBengali]

You do your math first..

Bangladesh GDP 2013 = $122 Billion
Pak GDP 2013 = $230 Billion

Bangladesh GDP growth rate needs to be more than twice of Pak's GDP growth rate for atleast a decade to pass Pak GDP.

Lets say Bangladesh GDP growth rate is 6% then 122 * 1.06 = $129 ( 122 + 7)
Pak's GDP growth rate is 3% then 230 * 1.03 = £237 (230 + 7)

So despite the higher GDP growth rate of Bangladesh, Both Bangladesh and Pak made the same money in a year.

BD has 150 million people and Pakistan has around 180 million.

And BD will rebase it's GDP upwards by at least 15% soon and so the two countries GDP/capita's will be very similar then.

Pakistan GDP/capita is growing around 2% a year while BD is around 5%.


If the current growth rates continue till 2030, then BD will become a much wealthier country than Pakistan.

 

[Mattrixx]

Its a perfect graph. It reflects results of major happenings of the country.
We can see a down curve from 71-72 due to war effect. Then 72-75 a major improvement of GDP.
The gdp doubled and reached $20 bl within 4 years. But after the killing of mujib. It lost its track.
It took 1981 to reach again to that $20 bl mark. After the killing of zia again a down curve and
and it took 1984 to reach again to that $20 bl mark. After that it was never down and increasing
at a good rate.

Now see what you done bengali traitors. You killed your leader Shiraj-ud-doula and lost your
independence for 200 years. Then you killed your leaders in post BD and what you achieved is nothing.
If the leaders were not dead, scenario could be different.

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[Skies]

GDP and GDP ..................

replied there:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...apparent-noticed-unnoticed-5.html#post4606674

 

[saleen_s7]

BD has 150 million people and Pakistan has around 180 million.

And BD will rebase it's GDP upwards by at least 15% soon and so the two countries GDP/capita's will be very similar then.

Pakistan GDP/capita is growing around 2% a year while BD is around 5%.


If the current growth rates continue till 2030, then BD will become a much wealthier country than Pakistan.

Thats the keyword. Continues. Bangladesh's economic growth has been everything but stable. Then again, even if the growth rate does continue, its only half the picture. Pakistan has a few major citiies such as Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad etc. Bangladesh only has Dhaka, which is by far the most politically unstable place in the region. Secondly, Pakistan has natural resources which Bangladesh doesn't. I can go on and on.
The poor I believe has done better in Bangladesh, so did the middle class in most cases. But we need policies to make our corporations go bigger and better. The garments industry only accounts for 5% of the total gdp. We need policies to diversify our sectors which the government has miserably failed to do.

 

[saleen_s7]

Its a perfect graph. It reflects results of major happenings of the country.
We can see a down curve from 71-72 due to war effect. Then 72-75 a major improvement of GDP.
The gdp doubled and reached $20 bl within 4 years. But after the killing of mujib. It lost its track.
It took 1981 to reach again to that $20 bl mark. After the killing of zia again a down curve and
and it took 1984 to reach again to that $20 bl mark. After that it was never down and increasing
at a good rate.

Now see what you done bengali traitors. You killed your leader Shiraj-ud-doula and lost your
independence for 200 years. Then you killed your leaders in post BD and what you achieved is nothing.
If the leaders were not dead, scenario could be different.

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Mujib was a socialist. Socialism does not work.

 

[Icewolf]

Why we Pakistanis care so much about BD, it will be underwater in 30 years anyway...
Look torwards China as they decide your future in the world... Make india US, and China stop their fossil fuel burning... Cause Greenland is fast melting. Once all of it melts... Bangladesh, Maldives, Florida will be underwater

 

[ziaulislam]

BD has 150 million people and Pakistan has around 180 million.

And BD will rebase it's GDP upwards by at least 15% soon and so the two countries GDP/capita's will be very similar then.

Pakistan GDP/capita is growing around 2% a year while BD is around 5%.


If the current growth rates continue till 2030, then BD will become a much wealthier country than Pakistan.

you do know that we faced 90s santioneds, 80s soviet wars, 2000s worst terrorism (most sucide attacks in world) yet we maintained a pretty good better developement rate.
we also faced stiff problems from india..

 

[khair_ctg]

@ Now, the question is, the people of Pakistan did not struggled for Pakistan in proper time. May be they were not that politically matured at that time. It is a fact that politically the people of West were far behind East in those days.

it is irrelevant how immmature people of the West were when we are talking about how immature people of the East have become right after East and West Pakistan came to being. i think the generation that was involved in politics from 1900s to 1940s did a terrible job in passing down that 'political maturity' to the next generation. besides that, as you wrote in another topic, some leftist commies from calcutta and ones left by the fleeing Hindu 'intelligentsia' came at the forefront of East pakistan politics creating a serious drag on any cohesive political environment between the two wings.