How to Win a War with China

[Superboy]

we want accountability,which lacks in Communist Govt.Pro India,Anti India,Right wing,left wing-doesn't bother us.we want transparency in govt's decision,not some hush hush affair.see,whole world thought SU was upto something when they were doing pretty good job.same course will be followed by China unless they bring transparency in their action.

At least the Chinese government doesn't covertly and illegally spy on its own citizens like the US government does. The Chinese government is communist in name only. It is far more capitalistic as compared to the US government. The US government is socialist and borrows hundreds of billions a year just for its social programs like Obamacare.

As for transparency, the Chinese government is pretty transparent IMO. What about the Chang'e 3 state of the art lander and rover? It's fully disclosed. What about the Jiaolong deep sea sub? It's fully disclosed. The US government, on the other hand, still hides Area 51.

 

[gambit]

At least the Chinese government doesn't covertly and illegally spy on its own citizens like the US government does.

Of course not. The Chinese government spied on its own citizens LEGALLY.

 

[Superboy]

Of course not. The Chinese government spied on its own citizens LEGALLY.

no proof

 

[Nav]

Russia and China are strategic partners and will be for the foreseeable future. Both countries consider the US as the number 1 enemy. Russia would definitely cooperate with us.

India is insignificant in this scenario.

Most of the countries in the world depend on Chinese trade. Our domestic market is already the number 1 or 2 for vast majority of the countries in the world. So many countries need our goods too. This means trade with China is extremely important for many countries all around the world.

China is now one of the largest direct investors and aid providers to many countries in every continent.

We also provide technology without strings attached.

By hurting global trade, the entire world economy collapses because we contribute the most to global growth and our influence will only grow over the next few years.

If this blockade takes place in 10-20 years from now, China will have achieved a very advanced technological base which will give us a very powerful military.

Technology will allow us to produce those intermediate goods ourselves too.

Technology will also mean energy and raw materials can be gotten from China itself and the SCS. We already have some of the largest reserves of energy and raw materials in the world and oil & gas extraction technology and mining technology means we can supply most of the energy and raw materials ourselves.

10-20 years from now our economy will be far bigger and far more self-sufficient due to technological advances and our domestic consumer market will be by far the worlds largest. This means we won't be export-oriented. We are already the world's 3rd largest consumer market after the US and Japan so we already have a massive consumer market to consume the goods we produce.

As time passes, the advantage will shift to China economically, financially, technologically and militarily. The US is at a staggering disadvantage.

In a blockade, China has nothing to lose and will unleash hell on anyone participating in the blockade. If we go down, we go down with all guns blazing. We can bring the entire American empire down with us.

We already have a very powerful military and its power projection capabilities will only increase as time goes by. Chinese military will still have a military economy ready to fight a long war. You can bet on that.

The US thought China was an easy beat in the Korean War too and the US military got humiliated and had to run away from the Yalu river back to South Korea.

Communists are ruthless, we fight to the very end, there is no surrender. We win or we die trying. When was the last time a communist country surrendered to a non-communist country in war?

The Nazis got smacked by the Soviet Union in WW2.
The US got smacked by China in the Korean War.
The Indians got smacked by China in 1962.
The US got smacked by North Vietnam/China/Soviet Union in Vietnam War.

Communists have never lost a war to a non-communist country in war as far as I know.

i think you forgot the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. and their retreat regarded as defeat.

 

[armchairPrivate]

Bomb them with Big Macs and blockade chuckun flied lice.

 

[bolo]

we want accountability,which lacks in Communist Govt.Pro India,Anti India,Right wing,left wing-doesn't bother us.we want transparency in govt's decision,not some hush hush affair.see,whole world thought SU was upto something when they were doing pretty good job.same course will be followed by China unless they bring transparency in their action.

Why do you care? Decisions made by Chinese leaders affect China, nothing to do with India. Military decisions should not be transparent. In fact it used to be that way. 

Of course not. The Chinese government spied on its own citizens LEGALLY.

The US spied on its people and allies illegally. With a friend like uncle Sam, who needs enemies?

 

[GR!FF!N]

Why do you care? Decisions made by Chinese leaders affect China, nothing to do with India. Military decisions should not be transparent. In fact it used to be that way.

apparently not.a country's decision affects all of its neighbours,if not create tensions.

 

[Genesis]

Of course not. The Chinese government spied on its own citizens LEGALLY.

What exactly does the CIA spent their billions on? I heard stories on the news about Arabs getting arrested for facebook posts and pedophiles getting arrested for well exactly what the name suggests.

That means the FBI, CIA and what ever other agencies knows what the people are doing.

The only difference is action taken.

Now it would take a lot to actually get arrested for anti party crimes. Mostly they don't mention some of their actual crimes or we do mention it and others don't believe it.

Looking at the recent Tiananmen square incident, are you saying terrorism doesn't happen in China? Or are we too harsh on the criminals? What would Americans do?

Can we also allowed to strip search our "terrorist" population like the Americans do? Waterboard a few people, let the American CIA director come to China and lecture us on what we could or couldn't do, so you know, we'll know for future references.

 

[applesauce]

Of course not. The Chinese government spied on its own citizens LEGALLY.

which only mean the american government is even worse, at least the chinese government openly states it does, while the american government lies about it.

 

[Han dominance]

Gambit is a CIA paid troll being the mouthpiece of the American regime.

 

[jhungary]

No one can predict the future, can US apply effective naval blockade will never be know since China still modernize their navy, 10 yrs from now the China will operate 5 to 6 aircraft carriers battle group, how on earth US navy can actually block off the Chinese Navy from the ocean without engage in a conflict between 2 naval force?

lol 10 years China will operate 5 or 6 Carrier Group??

Do you know how long it takes for US to build a single Carrier? It take 3 years 8 months to build a Nimitz Class Carrier, i would not say the carrier will be useful against the American Actual carrier if you can build 5 or 6 of them in 10 years, that's 1.5 years per average. Then you still need to build supporting ships to operate said carrier and train man on all the group.

Then think in 10 years, where are you going to house those carrier?? China have a small coast. only Eastern part are coastal and only 2 or 3 naval bases are deep enough to dock a carrier.

In reality, in 10 years, China would have 3 Carrier groups (Including the Liaoning), each the same size as Liaoning, which is half of what Nimitz carrier present.

At most, unless China start making voerseas bases, like the US do with Guam, Diego Garcia and Japan, China cannot have more than 5 carrier in total (2 on each end of the coast, 1 for reserve)

 

[jhungary]

What exactly does the CIA spent their billions on? I heard stories on the news about Arabs getting arrested for facebook posts and pedophiles getting arrested for well exactly what the name suggests.

That means the FBI, CIA and what ever other agencies knows what the people are doing.

The only difference is action taken.

Now it would take a lot to actually get arrested for anti party crimes. Mostly they don't mention some of their actual crimes or we do mention it and others don't believe it.

Looking at the recent Tiananmen square incident, are you saying terrorism doesn't happen in China? Or are we too harsh on the criminals? What would Americans do?

Can we also allowed to strip search our "terrorist" population like the Americans do? Waterboard a few people, let the American CIA director come to China and lecture us on what we could or couldn't do, so you know, we'll know for future references.

Seems like you never attended a SERE Course of any sort.

Waterboard were apply to trainee on SERE Course when i was doing one as part of my Ranger Training. So does sandboarding and sleep depreviation. They say they don't do it anymore after 2009, but my personal opinion was, they need to keep it going

What exactly think you say CIA is doing? 24/7 monitoring all US Citizens in the United States? If so, then we probably need another OGA for outside US Affair.

In china, there are no legality of Spying on its own citizens. There will not be an legal issue if the Chinese do or do not do it, it's their perjorative. In the US, we do have laws on spying on our own, and if you go down the constitution way and interpret it word by word, even CCTV, Speed Camera, Red light Camera in any mall and street are counted as Monitoring, so who to say what is and what isn't?

In short, people only know a faction of what CIA is doing, and people cheer when US seemingly shot their mouth in their food, they start bombarding without knowing what Prism is for and how it was affect..

 

[Genesis]

Seems like you never attended a SERE Course of any sort.

Waterboard were apply to trainee on SERE Course when i was doing one as part of my Ranger Training. So does sandboarding and sleep depreviation. They say they don't do it anymore after 2009, but my personal opinion was, they need to keep it going

What exactly think you say CIA is doing? 24/7 monitoring all US Citizens in the United States? If so, then we probably need another OGA for outside US Affair.

In china, there are no legality of Spying on its own citizens. There will not be an legal issue if the Chinese do or do not do it, it's their perjorative. In the US, we do have laws on spying on our own, and if you go down the constitution way and interpret it word by word, even CCTV, Speed Camera, Red light Camera in any mall and street are counted as Monitoring, so who to say what is and what isn't?

In short, people only know a faction of what CIA is doing, and people cheer when US seemingly shot their mouth in their food, they start bombarding without knowing what Prism is for and how it was affect..

Not really sure if you are agreeing or not agreeing with me.

Anyways, why would I have attended SERE, I am a information anaylist.

The CIA must have tons of buildings and other places that are not disclosed to the public, or else they won't be a spy agency, they be more of a show.

As to law, laws apply to a lot of things, but to a spy agency? They are above it, mostly because there are and cannot be checks on their power, for most of their activities are secret and their funding can come from any where and not just the official ones.

As I have said, some of the activities, and arrests made couldn't have been done if they weren't monitoring a mass amount of people, unless they got a dude like that tom Cruise movie where the dude in water can predict crap.

 

[jhungary]

Not really sure if you are agreeing or not agreeing with me.

Anyways, why would I have attended SERE, I am a information anaylist.

The CIA must have tons of buildings and other places that are not disclosed to the public, or else they won't be a spy agency, they be more of a show.

As to law, laws apply to a lot of things, but to a spy agency? They are above it, mostly because there are and cannot be checks on their power, for most of their activities are secret and their funding can come from any where and not just the official ones.

As I have said, some of the activities, and arrests made couldn't have been done if they weren't monitoring a mass amount of people, unless they got a dude like that tom Cruise movie where the dude in water can predict crap.

lol, All I can and authorised to tell you is this, everybody know about CIA, in the intel world, it have the least value of intel they can gather, if I were to operate a spy agency, will I publicly advertise their existence?

And In the game of intel, hard asset is no way as important to soft asset, human intelligence happened out in the field, no amount of building can make you acquire good human intel, for that you need to be inside

Going back to the snowden scenario, exactly what did he told the world the world don't already, even before snowden, there were news report and stuff like that saying PRISM did exist, what snowden stated is merely provided a name to go with the thinking.

Honestly, people are quite stupid to think CIA is a super duper spy agent, and they are responsible for a lot of thing, but let me ask you one question, what kind of spy agent advertise to the outside world for their existence?

 

[Genesis]

lol, All I can and authorized to tell you is this, everybody know about CIA, in the intel world, it have the least value of intel they can gather, if I were to operate a spy agency, will I publicly advertise their existence?

And In the game of intel, hard asset is no way as important to soft asset, human intelligence happened out in the field, no amount of building can make you acquire good human intel, for that you need to be inside

Going back to the snowden scenario, exactly what did he told the world the world don't already, even before snowden, there were news report and stuff like that saying PRISM did exist, what snowden stated is merely provided a name to go with the thinking.

Honestly, people are quite stupid to think CIA is a super duper spy agent, and they are responsible for a lot of thing, but let me ask you one question, what kind of spy agent advertise to the outside world for their existence?

Spy agencies can easily be known. Zhou enlai was one of the leaders of communist spy network, he operated right next to Dai li the Nationalist spy master during WW2 I mean he was in the next building, and he was still very effective.

Just because people knows about CIA doesn't mean anything, they can tell you who their director is, who anybody is, but that doesn't mean crap. The can give tours of their head office to terrorists and these people wouldn't leave knowing anymore than what some people in the building like for lunch and even that could be false. On top of that even if CIA announces exactly what they are doing and with whom, people would still not believe them, so this harms them in no way.

I said buildings meaning people, meaning an organization, an group, real estate developers have buildings doesn't mean they are listening to America. You said CIA isn't big enough to listen to America (unless I misunderstood here)

CIA could just be a front, but seeing as I don't and don't need to know the other branches, I'm just using CIA as a general name for spy agency.

Also, Snowden didn't say crap, obviously America keeps tabs on people, the war on terror isn't a blind war on terror. Obama can no more control the CIA as he can of the weather.

IF even a dictator like Chang KAi Shek almost lost control of his spy agency, because of the massive influence of his spy master Daili, who by the way greatly exceeded his original task and infiltrated every department and even has an army of hundreds of thousands of American equipped soldiers and the whole of the police department, then how could an elected official hope to even know the extent of the spy agency? Simply because of a few words on a piece of paper that says he should know?

And authorized to tell me? When did you become a leader of CIA. I didn't know CIA let in Austrilian/Swedish/Hong Konger/whatever else into their agencies.