How many Lt Moid we want to loose before we do these two things ????

[Zarvan]

You also ask army budget to be increased to $20b when whole Pakistan can barely run with current resources. There is no short term solution to provide thousands of MRAP.

MRAP were in existence when we went into this war even if than we would have started inducting 100 each year we would have 1500 by now but no our leaders had no vision

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Nation is not using it's technological advancement to it's advantage.

Can't station 1-2 Troops at hill tops anymore you need a full 16 Soldier + Helicopter Support setup with APC

But I am also the person who says , Time to have 1 big war with Rouge region and occpuy it for every and go inside to clean house

One Massive operation

 

[ziaulislam]

MRAP were in existence when we went into this war even if than we would have started inducting 100 each year we would have 1500 by now but no our leaders had no vision

a country like Srilanka used them throughout their civil war, produced them cheaply under licence from southafrica, i doubt it would cost more than aircrafts PAF brought for transport

anyone says its an economical issue is bullshiting

 

[!eon]

Your concept is totally wrong. Lets see the meaning of misuse.
Misuse=the act of using something in an illegal, improper, or unfair way : incorrect use.

So when your President and PM or Forces Chiefs travel in huge convey of guards on closed roads for general public, it's right and legal and it's actually legal in law of Pakistan. That goes to lower ranks of civil and military officers also, with misuse of their powers.
But that culture is continuation of colonial era, if Pakistanis are happy with their slave like treatment I am happy too.
But again these unique luxuries are available uniquely in rich kingdom of Pakistan

Whereas, Army has authorised such use which I have stated in last post, while you are merely stating out your opinion which holds no such value infront of Army rules.

Army rules are also continuation of Royal Indian Army, and like every other institution of Pakistan, Army is also continuation of colonial era with unique laws and rules of master and slave.

Pakistani society as whole is corrupt, every institution is corrupt, including army.
And that's why you are third world poor country even with abundance of resources

 

[Zarvan]

a country like Srilanka used them throughout their civil war, produced them cheaply under licence from southafrica, i doubt it would cost more than aircrafts PAF brought for transport

anyone says its an economical issue is bullshiting

Exactly UAE got TOT of MRAP from South Africa only at the cost of 3 JF-17 Thunder Jets

 

[Big Tank]

We all should not go in such details, thats not fair and off topic, never forget we all are Pakistanis and have the same reaons why we are Members here, to build and make a better Pakistan, by fighting each other we will gain nothing.

I agree, pardon me for that

 

[ziaulislam]

Exactly UAE got TOT of MRAP from South Africa only at the cost of 3 JF-17 Thunder Jets

5 VIP jets PAF brought cost more than whole licence production of MRAPs

for example this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unibuffel

i bet army could have produced 400-500 under licence at the program cost of less than 50 million dollars
lol
i cant believe how they brain wash people

who happened to maxpro that we got from USA?

 

[Signalian]

So when your President and PM or Forces Chiefs travel in huge convey of guards on closed roads for general public, it's right and legal and it's actually legal in law of Pakistan. That goes to lower ranks of civil and military officers also, with misuse of their powers.
But that culture is continuation of colonial era, if Pakistanis are happy with their slave like treatment I am happy too.
But again these unique luxuries are available uniquely in rich kingdom of Pakistan

I am not discussing about PM etc, but lives of Military officers are precious. Generals are not made everyday, it takes 30+ years to reach this level, and im sure you have no idea how this level is reached. so blabber more against army in your next reply and then i will reply.

Army rules are also continuation of Royal Indian Army, and like every other institution of Pakistan, Army is also continuation of colonial era with unique laws and rules of master and slave.

Its because of this same Army that you can breathe freely in Pakistan. Army is not supposed to change its customs and culture for your sake.

Pakistani society as whole is corrupt, every institution is corrupt, including army.
And that's why you are third world poor country even with abundance of resources

Every country in the world, every armed forces in the world, every institution in the world is corrupt. No on is pure and clean. If you think otherwise, then kudos to you.

You are so confused that you are bringing in PM escorts and then talking about Pakistan being third world country....i think we are discussing military here, whats this disease of going off-topic?

 

[!eon]

I am not discussing about PM etc, but lives of Military officers are precious. Generals are not made everyday, it takes 30+ years to reach this level, and im sure you have no idea how this level is reached. so blabber more against army in your next reply and then i will reply.

Same squad like movement is availble to PM and Generals.
Not only your Generals are made in 30 plus years, it's all over the globe is same, and no civilized nation allows misuse of resources but only Pakistan, because they took 30 plus years ... what a logic.

Its because of this same Army that you can breathe freely in Pakistan. Army is not supposed to change its customs and culture for your sake.

That's why you are poor because you live in colonial era. White Brits have been changed by black angrez of desi blood.
You may be member of such family.. that's why advocating them. Me too from such family in Pakistan but I am rebel of colonial era culture

Every country in the world, every armed forces in the world, every institution in the world is corrupt. No on is pure and clean. If you think otherwise, then kud

You haven't seen the world that's why you are saying it. We have civil and military leaders which ride on normal trains and buses, and they shop their items in general stores. Here, no several 3000cc 4x4 are available for their and their family misuse and luxuries. No 3000cc 4x4 travels 4 kms to collect one liter of milk daily, they go personally to shop their milk from nearby stores and they are not corrupt.

No country in civilized world would allow that kind of luxuries and that too when junior officers and soldiers are being killed on drum beat of shortage of resources.

You are so confused that you are bringing in PM escorts and then talking about Pakistan being third world country....i think we are discussing military here, whats this disease of going off-topic?

Your little brain was unable to understand the same connection of misuse of vehicles between Army Generals and PM or Governors etc.

 

[Signalian]

Same squad like movement is availble to PM and Generals.
Not only your Generals are made in 30 plus years, it's all over the globe is same, and no civilized nation allows misuse of resources but only Pakistan, because they took 30 plus years ... what a logic.

Your sense-less logic fails here because the conditions of security are not same in every country. You are so blinded by hate that you completely forget to look at all aspects of a situation before you blabber. The more you motormouth, the more you seem to be losing grasp of perception, if it does exist at all !

That's why you are poor because you live in colonial era. White Brits have been changed by black angrez of desi blood.
You may be member of such family.. that's why advocating them. Me too from such family in Pakistan but I am rebel of colonial era culture

You can keep going off topic, it just makes you look more like an idiot who lacks absolute sensibility. Your fatuous points make you look like more of a prejudiced nerd than anything else.

You haven't seen the world that's why you are saying it.

Your assumptions about me are laughable

We have civil and military leaders which ride on normal trains and buses, and they shop their items in general stores. Here, no several 3000cc 4x4 are available for their and their family misuse and luxuries. No 3000cc 4x4 travels 4 kms to collect one liter of milk daily, they go personally to shop their milk from nearby stores and they are not corrupt.

I have replied to this already however a lot of related information really cant penetrate into a brain that is biased. You really have no idea how things go on and about as seen by the example you quoted.

No country in civilized world would allow that kind of luxuries and that too when junior officers and soldiers are being killed on drum beat of shortage of resources.

I am skeptical about drilling some sense into a muddled brain like yours, anyways, the so called luxury in relation to security is actually a necessity. There are allotted funds for junior officers and soldiers which they receive and then there are funds for new vehicles which are being procured but the procedure of full deployment takes years.

Your little brain was unable to understand the same connection of misuse of vehicles between Army Generals and PM or Governors etc.

Your non-existent brain is unable to understand that there is no comparison of an Army General with PM or Governors, due to many factors beyond the scope of your comprehension levels.

 

[Path-Finder]

5 VIP jets PAF brought cost more than whole licence production of MRAPs

for example this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unibuffel

i bet army could have produced 400-500 under licence at the program cost of less than 50 million dollars
lol
i cant believe how they brain wash people

who happened to maxpro that we got from USA?

now just wait of it,,,,

wait for ITTTTTTTTTT

I dont want my soldiers dead...... you want my soldiers dead . . . . . can, truck, trash, junk,,, neela asmaa, kali raat chamkty sitary!! ALL OF THAT! EVERYTHING but a simple reply to the question. Just wait for it.





but seriously, i just hope that someone have at least started working up a realistic numbers that we need to procure to be used in operational areas and hot zones. That will be the first step before we start considering options of import or local manufacturing after a ToT agreement and once that is finalized then we will be selecting the platform. Long process. I hope we at least have a realistic number to work with.

@Path-Finder @django @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Ahmet Pasha @CriticalThought

I dont think APC or MRAP are a concern at the moment but who knows.

Just tell me what are these for? Masturbating?

do you realise the cretin you quoted is a follower of the black toad of London? attacking army is necessity as his masters grip has vanished from Karachi! you should ask him about Baldia town factory instead!

 

[Gryphon]

The Americans have delivered more than 250 MRAP's in recent years from EDA stocks. Some are being used by PAF for base protection and others are with Army (used by ROP's mostly).

 

[!eon]

Your sense-less logic fails here because the conditions of security are not same in every country. You are so blinded by hate that you completely forget to look at all aspects of a situation before you blabber. The more you motormouth, the more you seem to be losing grasp of perception, if it does exist at all !

Tell me with logic of your blind sense, why drum is being beaten of limited resources on one side and unlimited usage of resources by senior officers on other side. Junior officers and soldiers are loosing life because of inadequate equipment and people like you are not in favor of giving up luxuries, and that too in a poor country.

You can keep going off topic, it just makes you look more like an idiot who lacks absolute sensibility. Your fatuous points make you look like more of a prejudiced nerd than anything else.

I am on topic. kindly tell what your little brain can't connect, I will explain further

Your assumptions about me are laughable

Of course you are laughable stuff, when you don't know how general staff lives in civilized world. Officers traveling in trains and buses are corrupt in your brain and officers with unlimited governmental vehicles are not corrupt.

I am skeptical about drilling some sense into a muddled brain like yours, anyways, the so called luxury in relation to security is actually a necessity. There are allotted funds for junior officers and soldiers which they receive and then there are funds for new vehicles which are being procured but the procedure of full deployment takes years.

Your own brain is full of mud now you want to transfer it to others ? Everybody knows how much fund is available to whom. Nothing is hidden
You were one with no knowledge, calming armored Hilux

Your non-existent brain is unable to understand that there is no comparison of an Army General with PM or Governors, due to many factors beyond the scope of your comprehension levels.

Again your muddy brain couldn't find connection between misuse of resources among higher civil and military officers, not my fault.

 

[Signalian]

Tell me with logic of your blind sense, why drum is being beaten of limited resources on one side and unlimited usage of resources by senior officers on other side. Junior officers and soldiers are loosing life because of inadequate equipment and people like you are not in favor of giving up luxuries, and that too in a poor country.

I am on topic. kindly tell what your little brain can't connect, I will explain further

Of course you are laughable stuff, when you don't know how general staff lives in civilized world. Officers traveling in trains and buses are corrupt in your brain and officers with unlimited governmental vehicles are not corrupt.

Your own brain is full of mud now you want to transfer it to others ? Everybody knows how much fund is available to whom. Nothing is hidden
You were one with no knowledge, calming armored Hilux
Again your muddy brain couldn't find connection between misuse of resources among higher civil and military officers, not my fault.

Instead of blindly arguing with me, go through my posts again as i have clearly explained it already. If you still cant understand it, then i cant do anything about IQ level.

 

[!eon]

Instead of blindly arguing with me, go through my posts again as i have clearly explained it already. If you still cant understand it, then i cant do anything about IQ level.

Dear Sir with highest IQ and knowledge, your knowledge really impressed me when you brought armored Pakistani 4x4 Hiluxes into discussion. Thanks for your precious info.
Rest, I left my colonial era mentality back in Pakistan, therefore I will not ever ever understand why higher civil and military officers are allowed to use resources of poor Pakistani nations like garbage bins in 2017, while at the same time, they don't forget to beat drums of limited resources, of course short resources only for soldiers and lower ranking staff.