How many Lt Moid we want to loose before we do these two things ????

[Arsalan]

Exactly, we cant afford to provide armoured vehicles to general army as our limited resources are spent on development and procurement of strategic weapons needed for the survival of the state.

now just wait of it,,,,

wait for ITTTTTTTTTT

I dont want my soldiers dead...... you want my soldiers dead . . . . . can, truck, trash, junk,,, neela asmaa, kali raat chamkty sitary!! ALL OF THAT! EVERYTHING but a simple reply to the question. Just wait for it.

Judges need to take Suo moto on this, they need to old Military & Political Govt accountable for the loss of Life.......
Govt failed to take any step on this if funding is the issue

but seriously, i just hope that someone have at least started working up a realistic numbers that we need to procure to be used in operational areas and hot zones. That will be the first step before we start considering options of import or local manufacturing after a ToT agreement and once that is finalized then we will be selecting the platform. Long process. I hope we at least have a realistic number to work with.

@Path-Finder @django @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Ahmet Pasha @CriticalThought

 

[Lavrentiy]

Forum members displaying their anguish about loss of soldiers due to lack of MRAPS must understand that this is a result of the holy cow worship status of the Army. How do you expect an institution to be answerable when there is no accountability and civilian oversight.

A country where mere verbal criticism of the armed forces is considered treason, there is no hope of improvement. The military leadership knows one thing about our nation. We revere dead people over living ones. We have strange fetish with martyrdom while we do not value life. Dead soldiers are a source of propaganda for the military due to our stupid mindset. We just praise the sacrifices of the soldiers and never ask why our finest men are dying.

 

[ziaulislam]

Exactly, we cant afford to provide armoured vehicles to general army as our limited resources are spent on development and procurement of strategic weapons needed for the survival of the state.

Wrong ...
Whole procurement of such MRAPs will cost less than a billion dollars

Training those officers cost more ..
Scarfice/delay the strategic weapons if you have to...
Ok i found the funding lets delay the frigate program for one year lol

 

[!eon]

This should give you an idea now why 2 or more vehicles are authorised for one officer.

Apart from this, administration vehicles like pickups (Hilux etc) and high roofs (suzuki Bolan) are also authorised to be used, whether personal or professional. For lower officer ranks, these can be had on payment also

This is called misuse
This unique luxury is uniquely available in Pakistan

When 3000cc 4x4 drives 4 km to collect a liter of milk daily, it's affordable and legal but armoring that pickup truck is not affordable.

Pak Army Hilux is not armored. A private Pakistani firm has manufactured an armored vehicle on Tundra chassis.
You can armored a Toyota Corolla but power will be compromised, that's where Tundra fits in combination of power, speed and weight.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Karachi and Gawader from sea if Navy is not powerful

Just tell me what are these for? Masturbating?

Forum members displaying their anguish about loss of soldiers due to lack of MRAPS must understand that this is a result of the holy cow worship status of the Army. How do you expect an institution to be answerable when there is no accountability and civilian oversight.

 

[Kabira]

Seriously How many more 21 year old Lt Moid we plan to loose before we go after ISIS and TTP leadership in Afghanistan and start using MRAP.


Don't give me not applicable crap again. If you can operate 3000 Tanks and 4000 APC and thousands of other trucks than you can have at least 1500 MRAP if you have some brain and care about soldiers

You also ask army budget to be increased to $20b when whole Pakistan can barely run with current resources. There is no short term solution to provide thousands of MRAP.

 

[Awan68]

Just tell me what are these for? Masturbating?

you cannot fight a conventional war with nukes.

 

[Big Tank]

Actually, i really did sit in one and also my coursemates use many, so yes i have a very good idea of improvisations.


You have only seen staff cars, I have actually used them. Ohh and there is something else you should know, there is a fund allocated for everything you mentioned by GHQ itself, whether it's house, cars, G2G's etc.

You dont want to be told about anything because you have chosen to believe what you want to believe even when you really have no idea how things go on. Its evident from your posts.

Well since you've been into one. That's the reason you're justifying. There are many military personnel who do acknowledge the wastage of resources. You seem to be a brat and sorry to say its useless to argue with those brains.

 

[undercover JIX]

Well since you've been into one. That's the reason you're justifying. There are many military personnel who do acknowledge the wastage of resources. You seem to be a brat and sorry to say its useless to argue with those brains.

Well safety and security of soldiers is / should be top priority. If soldiers in the battle ground are not equipped properly keeping in mind the threat they are going to face, causalities will increase unnecessary and moral aswell. yes we Pakistanis have jazba-e-e shahadat and we will fight for the country no matter under what conditions. ultimately it shows lake of foresight and concerns of soldiers life/safety by the responsible once.

 

[Signalian]

This is called misuse
This unique luxury is uniquely available in Pakistan

When 3000cc 4x4 drives 4 km to collect a liter of milk daily, it's affordable and legal but armoring that pickup truck is not affordable.

Your concept is totally wrong. Lets see the meaning of misuse.
Misuse=the act of using something in an illegal, improper, or unfair way : incorrect use.

Whereas, Army has authorised such use which I have stated in last post, while you are merely stating out your opinion which holds no such value infront of Army rules.

 

[Big Tank]

Well safety and security of soldiers is / should be top priority. If soldiers in the battle ground are not equipped properly keeping in mind the threat they are going to face, causalities will increase unnecessary and moral aswell. yes we Pakistanis have jazba-e-e shahadat and we will fight for the country no matter under what conditions. ultimately it shows lake of foresight and concerns of soldiers life/safety by the responsible once.

Jazba e Shahadat is required for the bravery to enter in a War. Allah has granted highest status to a Shaheed and praised Shahadat so that a person wouldn't be afraid to step in a War to defend. It doesn't mean to have blind spirit and waste young lives while wasting budget into stuff that isn't required.

 

[Signalian]

Well since you've been into one. That's the reason you're justifying. There are many military personnel who do acknowledge the wastage of resources. You seem to be a brat and sorry to say its useless to argue with those brains.

I didnt justify anything, i merely highlighted your lack of knowledge and ignorance on the topic. Since your ego cannot accept many things so your reasoning has failed completely here.

 

[undercover JIX]

Jazba e Shahadat is required for the bravery to enter in a War. Allah has granted highest status to a Shaheed and praised Shahadat so that a person wouldn't be afraid to step in a War to defend. It doesn't mean to have blind spirit and waste young lives while wasting budget into stuff that isn't required.

Exactly.
thanks.

 

[Big Tank]

I didnt justify anything, i merely highlighted your lack of knowledge and ignorance on the topic. Since your ego cannot accept many things so your reasoning has failed completely here.

I wonder if signalians have anything much to do with War? Are you even currently located in Pakistan?

 

[Inception-06]

I wonder if signalians have anything much to do with War? Are you even currently located in Pakistan?

We all should not go in such details, thats not fair and off topic, never forget we all are Pakistanis and have the same reaons why we are Members here, to build and make a better Pakistan, by fighting each other we will gain nothing.