How " indigenous " Indian Akash SAM system really is ?

[HellzHere]

Another troll thread by Aeronaut!

 

[illuminatidinesh]

It seems our friend Aeoronasty needs some help,kind of vanished. Go find this Myth-buster , he is busy with How indigenous is Arihant.

 

[Omega007]

Guys,this thread proves that we have improved beyond the reach of pakistan.Don't bash these poor pakis.

 

[HellzHere]

Guys,this thread proves that we have improved beyond the reach of pakistan.Don't bash these poor pakis.

dont use the word pakis..but yes..when they burn its a signal we have imrpoved

 

[naveenp]

Maybe they offered you something called "license production" under the name of "Akash".

I have said in my original post that this missile is now Indian no doubt as you have the capability to produce it but it cannot be called Indigenous because its not a product of Indian R&D .

dnt be speculated if u have source post here. what about chinese j 11 and su 27. india is not china to copy and paste.

 

[Markus]

I can already see Indians burning inside out -- just read my original post before you commence your troll attack.

Your research is welcome.

It dosent matter if the system has some foreign elements inside it, the only thing matters is how well it can blow off enemy planes off the sky and I thing its pretty good at that atleast the tests show that.

 

[koushik]

The Akash SAM and the "SA-6 Kvadrat" SAM look quite identical but they are very different.Akash Missile has a length of 5.80m,weight of 720kg,a diameter of 350mm.It is equipped with a digital proximity fuze along with a 55kg HE pre-frag/nuclear warhead.It has a range of 25-30km with a flight altitude of 18km and has a ramjet engine.The entire Akash Missile is made by BEL and BDL in India. On the other hand SA-6 SAM has a length of 5.7m,diameter of 335mm,weight of 600kg and is equipped with a radio fuze along with a 52kg blast frag warhead.it has a 24 km range with 14km flight altitude.The missile is made by Vyumpel.The Akash SAM uses the Rajendra PESA Radar whereas the SA-6 uses the 1S91 'straight flush' mechanical array radar and is made by Thikomirov NIIP

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Guys,this thread proves that we have improved beyond the reach of pakistan.Don't bash these poor pakis.

Thats offensive.....Edit your post Immediately.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Your research is welcome.

It dosent matter if the system has some foreign elements inside it, the only thing matters is how well it can blow off enemy planes off the sky and I thing its pretty good at that atleast the tests show that.

Yes the missiles[when two are fired] have a hit probability of 98%.

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

Why is Russian rockets origin in china on the wiki link?

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

Yes the missiles[when two are fired] have a hit probability of 98%.

Bad news for our neighbours hey?

 

[koushik]

Bad news for our neighbours hey?

yes i think more for our north eastern neighbours

 

[somebozo]

Copy or indigenious as long as it serves the purpose right its a threat to the region

 

[angeldemon_007]

The production of SAMs is going to increase...Soon LRSAM will be ready (naval and IA/IAF) version and their will definitely be huge orders or them and after a couple of years Akash mk2 will also be ready and then there will be orders for those and don't forget the order for Brahmos blk 3....BEL and BDL ke to aesh hai....

 

[MilSpec]

How indigenous Indian Akash SAM really is ?



Indian Akash SAM

RADAR

Akash SAM

a Battery Level Radar - the Rajendra, and a Command post (Battery Control Centre). Two batteries are deployed as a Squadron (Air Force), while up to four form an Akash Group (Army configuration). In both configurations, an extra Group Control Centre (GCC) is added, which acts as the Command and Control HQ of the Squadron or Group. Based on a single mobile platform, GCC establishes links with Battery Control Centres and conducts air defense operations in coordination with air defense set up in a zone of operations. For early warning, the GCC relies on the Central Acquisition Radar. However, individual batteries can also be deployed with the cheaper, 2-D BSR (Battery Surveillance Radar) with a range of over 100 km.

SA6 Gainful

SURN 1S91 vehicle included two radar station - a target acquisition and distribution radar 1S11 and a continuous wave illuminator 1S31, in addition to an IFF interrogator and an optical channel. The acquisition range of the radar was reported as 50 km (31 mi) for the Phantom II type target.

Engagement

AKASH SAM
Each Akash battery can engage up to four targets simultaneously. Each battery has four launchers with three missiles each, with each Rajendra able to guide eight missiles in total, with a maximum of two missiles per target. Up to a maximum of four targets can be engaged simultaneously by a typical battery with a single Rajendra if one (or two) missile is allotted per target. A single Akash missile has an 88% Probability of kill. Two missiles can be fired, five seconds apart, to raise the Probability of Kill to 98.5%

SA6- Gainful
It can only guide one or two missiles to a single target at any time. The missile is initially command guided with terminal semi active radar homing (SARH), with target illumination provided by the "Straight Flush" radar. Detonation is via either the impact or proximity fuze

Configuration:

Akash SAM:
An Akash battery comprises four 3D phased array radars and four launchers with three missiles each, all of which are interlinked. Each radar is able to track 16 targets simultaneously and control a launcher with 3 missiles. Hence it is reported to be able to detect 100 and track 64 targets and simultaneously attack any 8 of those targets at one time. The Akash system is comparable to the Patriot system, but unlike the Patriot, Akash is fully mobile and capable of protecting a moving convoy of vehicles

SA6-Gainful:
Each 2K12 battery consists of a number of similar tracked vehicles, one of which carries the 1S91 (SURN vehicle, NATO designation "Straight Flush") 25 kW G/H band radar (range 75 km/47 miles) equipped with a continuous wave illuminator, in addition to an optical sight. The battery usually also includes four triple-missile transporter erector launchers (TELs) and four trucks each carrying three spare missiles and a crane

MISSILE:

Akash SAM:
Akash is a surface-to-air missile with an intercept range of 30 km.[2] It has a launch weight of 720 kg, a diameter of 35 cm and a length of 5.78 metres. Akash flies at supersonic speed, reaching around Mach 2.5. It can reach an altitude of 18 km and can be fired from both tracked and wheeled platforms.[2] An on-board guidance system coupled with an actuator system makes the missile maneuverable up to 15g loads and a tail chase capability for end game engagemen

SA6-Gainful:
The fairly large missiles have an effective range of 4–24 km (2.5–15 miles) and an effective altitude of 50–14000 m (164–45,931 ft). The missile weighs 599 kg (1321 lb) and the warhead weighs 56 kg (123 lb). Top missile speed is approx. Mach 2.8. The combined propulsion system 9D16K included solid fuel rocket motor which, when burned out, forms the combustion chamber for a ramjet




Although it doesn’t take an imbecile to understand the difference between Akash SAM and SA-6 Gainful, To my utmost dismay it unfortunate for a senior member (especially with a handle/username like aeronaut), is incognizant of a significant SAM system either because of preconceived notions about the technological capacity of india, just from pure ignorance to the development process, or just being incoherent of simple data available online to educate oneself.

This forum exists for understanding each other and voicing our opinions, afte several thousand post if a member just wants to post doubts over indegeenous developments coming from the facts that two vehicles look similar, then it raises serious doubts over the experience gained from all the posts of that member. BUT if this is innocent doubt by the thread starter, I hope my post has been helpful to educate you about the two systems, and you can find additional data online about the development of both the programs.
thanks