How Hindutva agents have shattered their own dreams

[baajey]

The concept of a common enemy is not limited to "fascism".

Do you think the proverb "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" was invented by Fascist ? or do you think we are living in a world without enemies ?

I agree, fascists don't create something, they just steal and destroy.
regarding the second line of yours, I agree with you. unfortunately, we live in a world where we make enemies, intentionally or otherwise. But in the case of fascists and fascists only, they create enemies out of nowhere to serve their purpose. don't get me wrong, a congressi or a leftie can be a worse fascist than perhaps a person affiliated to bajrang dal.
its about the mindset, intention and the means to carry out the intention determines if a person is a fascist or not.

 

[ranjeet]

I second that....at least in North East.
1st Case: ppl from missionaries roamed (and still roam) about most poor/isolated villages for new followers. the potential "followers" readily accept a new god in return for some cash or a seat in a decent missionary school or in some cases, pure disdain to "mainstream society". Simple give and take relationship. who cares about god when empty belly cries for food.
2nd Case : Ramakrishna mission, though present in many parts of north east, are hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned by the west financed rich evangelicals (not to say that evangelicals are bad ppl). in fact, there are many tribals who happen to be Christians are active workers in Ramakrishna mission, and some have voluntarily converted into Hinduism.
3rd Case: Now there is a third party here which prefer one way street conversions to the hindu fold and not the other way round. these ppl, although cash rich, do not share that money with the poor (no give and take relationship as in the 1st case) and instead resort to coercion, threat and finally harm both the parties (giver n taker) mentioned in the first case. although this is yet to happen in any north eastern state. but there are plenty of examples in other states of india.

If Soul harvesters are so pro Conversion then they MUSTN'T whine about Ghar Wapsi. Let everyone sell their religion why they want monopoly over it?

 

[Vishwabalas]

What are you picking on Danger for?

Demographic change (minuscule, when you look at our Christian population)? Harvest of souls?

You losing numbers to Buddhism and Christianity, allowing Islam to catch up. So you kick the smallest guy, the Christian.

And you wonder why people call you cowardly thugs?

You have not answered my question.

Neither am I nor Ranjeet holding a Gun, so why this Double standard from you asking us to "Back off" ? Why this blatant hypocrisy ?

Answer this question first.

Danger is promoting and advocating more social fissures in the already damaged fabric of India so that he can gather more political power for "Christians" by a demographic increase.

So I have good reasons to oppose him and expose him, what is your excuse ?

Are you blind to what happen in the North East ? or Kashmir ?

LOL at your assumptions that christians are the "smallest" guys. They control the education sector, the Health care sector , the Media and are the largest private land holders in India

They are the MOST POWERFUL lobby in India and one cannot survive in India if you openly take on the Christian lobby. This is not a "conspiracy theory". This is a reality which nobody wants to talk about.

 

[baajey]

Either start converting or reverting yourselves. Or try to remove the reasons why Hindus are leaving the fold.

bang on target.

 

[padamchen]

I second that....at least in North East.
1st Case: ppl from missionaries roamed (and still roam) about most poor/isolated villages for new followers. the potential "followers" readily accept a new god in return for some cash or a seat in a decent missionary school or in some cases, pure disdain to "mainstream society". Simple give and take relationship. who cares about god when empty belly cries for food.

Nothing illegal per the Constitution. What business is it of yours what God a man chooses to pray to? Are you his master?

2nd Case :

Ramakrishna mission, though present in many parts of north east, are hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned by the west financed rich evangelicals (not to say that evangelicals are bad ppl). in fact, there are many tribals who happen to be Christians are active workers in Ramakrishna mission, and some have voluntarily converted into Hinduism.

Good for them. Let people choose. What is Ramkrishna Mission if not Hindu evangelism? I know. My dad nearly sent me to the one near the big banyan tree. Till my mom (and I) revolted. Me because of the dhoti, veg food, and early morning bhajan crap.

3rd Case:

Now there is a third party here which prefer one way street conversions to the hindu fold and not the other way round. these ppl, although cash rich, do not share that money with the poor (no give and take relationship as in the 1st case) and instead resort to coercion, threat and finally harm both the parties (giver n taker) mentioned in the first case. although this is yet to happen in any north eastern state. but there are plenty of examples in other states of india.

Any coercion, by force, is illegal. Period.

Do not jump the gun. Fight the fight. Change the rules. Stem the exodus. Or keep quiet.

 

[danger007]

There is not "training college" for baba's.

There is no "International Funding" for baba's.

The "baba's" spread Indian Culture, not Western Culture.

The Baba's do not kneel to Vatican or the West. They kneel to New Delhi. ........... so much for your Fake laugh.

here comes the great logic, kneel to vatican? stop wearing jeans and t shirt, throw dollars,we don't need westren stuff.. ... Iskon does get fund from abroad, so is puttaparthi Sai baba... you guys talking like Pastors should throw bible, not to preach, shouldn't not have banner... weird....

welcome to my ignore list, after Ranjeet..

 

[baajey]

If Soul harvesters are so pro Conversion then they MUSTN'T whine about Ghar Wapsi. Let everyone sell their religion why they want monopoly over it?

they don't give a rat's a** about ghar wapsi. poverty and social status will bring those "ghar wapsied" back to their fold. Ramakrishna mission is trying to fight that, in a proper way.

 

[Vishwabalas]

I agree, fascists don't create something, they just steal and destroy.
regarding the second line of yours, I agree with you. unfortunately, we live in a world where we make enemies, intentionally or otherwise. But in the case of fascists and fascists only, they create enemies out of nowhere to serve their purpose. don't get me wrong, a congressi or a leftie can be a worse fascist than perhaps a person affiliated to bajrang dal.
its about the mindset, intention and the means to carry out the intention determines if a person is a fascist or not.

It would be more productive and useful if you can dispense with the "Labels". Lets just stick to facts.

An enemy is anyone who consciously disrupts your way of life, you values, your culture, your economics, your society so that they gain a strategic or tactical advantage over you.

 

[padamchen]

Can we at least acknowledge the crap spread by soul harvesters in the North East of India throuogh Christian terror groups? I wonder how many Indian soldiers were killed by these groups.

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Acknowledged. Enemy of the state. Need to be gunned down. Will be gunned down. Are being gunned down.

Why bully all Christians?

Will you lynch an Indian Muslim because a radical Islamist somewhere blasted a bomb?

 

[ranjeet]

What are you picking on Danger for?

Demographic change (minuscule, when you look at our Christian population)? Harvest of souls?

You losing numbers to Buddhism and Christianity, allowing Islam to catch up. So you kick the smallest guy, the Christian.

And you wonder why people call you cowardly thugs?

You call demographic change in NE minuscule? They have defeated their Abrahamic brothers in Kashmir valley with a huge margin.

 

[padamchen]

I agree, fascists don't create something, they just steal and destroy.
regarding the second line of yours, I agree with you. unfortunately, we live in a world where we make enemies, intentionally or otherwise. But in the case of fascists and fascists only, they create enemies out of nowhere to serve their purpose. don't get me wrong, a congressi or a leftie can be a worse fascist than perhaps a person affiliated to bajrang dal.
its about the mindset, intention and the means to carry out the intention determines if a person is a fascist or not.

Elegantly put.

 

[baajey]

It would be more productive and useful if you can dispense with the "Labels". Lets just stick to facts.

An enemy is anyone who consciously disrupts your way of life, you values, your culture, your economics, your society so that they gain a strategic or tactical advantage over you.

in that case, an evangelical who lures me into Christianity in return for food and education is far better than the lathi wielding, illiterate ghar wapsi hoodlums, no ?
u can make a "mahal" out of ur culture and your values, I give more priority to my economics and children's future.

 

[ranjeet]

LOL at your assumptions that christians are the "smallest" guys. They control the education sector, the Health care sector , the Media and are the largest private land holders in India

Don't forget the elaborate nexus of NGOs which "recommend" the government on policies. Kundakulam power project, mining projects, port development. You name it and they are there.

 

[padamchen]

You call demographic change in NE minuscule? They have defeated their Abrahamic brothers in Kashmir valley with a huge margin.

What is your problem if they are ALL Christian, to the last man and woman, Ranjeet bhai?

Tumhare thali se bhojan ccheen rahe hain?

in that case, an evangelical who lures me into Christianity in return for food and education is far better than the lathi wielding, illiterate ghar wapsi hoodlums, no ?
u can make a "mahal" out of ur culture and your values, I give more priority to my economics and children's future.

Becoming a convert here.

 

[baajey]

Don't forget the elaborate nexus of NGOs which "recommend" the government on policies. Kundakulam power project, mining projects, port development. You name it and they are there.

@ranjeet, brother, you very well know that not all of them NGOs are hired to pick on the central govt , some are genuinely doing their work and even putting their lives at risk while doing that.