How do you Chinese view the rapid development of the past 35 years?

[AndrewJin]

To allow Chinese to live comfortably, there is a need to mechanize and automate agriculture, just like the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps are doing now. The PLA farms are far far more productive than the Uighur farms or even the private farmers' farm in China proper.

Reason being, the small farmers have no capital and their productivity is low.

It is good many of these farmers move into city and when rural population get smaller, the land can be aggregated into cooperative (idea solution) or bought by industrial conglomerate (may be bad idea), or run by PLA style Bingtuan.

With water flowing from South, large scale industrial farming is possible. Its better for Northern China to have water than to let it flow to the sea.

This is my speculation, and I am open to discussion. I am not a agri expert.

It's just not so natural, I am not too so I won't say too much about it.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

It's just not so natural, I am not too so I won't say too much about it.

Yellow River - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am an engineer and I always look at numbers. Yellow river discharge is about 2571 cubic meter/sec (Some sources are lower probably because Yellow river was diverted for agriculture).

South–North Water Transfer Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

南水北调工程 - 维基百科，自由的百科全书

South–North Water Transfer Project East Route divert 400 cubic meter/sec currently with eventual aim of 800 cubic meter/sec.

South–North Water Transfer Project Central Route divert 100 cubic meter/sec currently but the designed capacity is 400 cubic meter/sec.

Currently, an amazing 20% of Yellow River equivalent is diverted. If full design potential is materialize, the East and Central Route will incredibly divert around 50% of Yellow River equivalent.

It will be mind blowing to imagine the impact on Northern China agriculture output.

Meanwhile, the water security of Beijing, Henan and Hebei will be permanently solved.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Hey, megacity trolls and costal trolls and Canton/Shanghai trolls in PDF, don't u think inland small cities should be the biggest concern?
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Enshi, the poorest city in Hubei
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LOL ... you are right bro, the vast territory of central-western China is definitely the growth engine now!

And none of these central-western cities are small by population, territory or any sense. The pics I posted are a few selected examples of central-western big cities e.g. Wuhan, Chengdu, Chongqing, Shijiazhuang, Changsha, Zhengzhou, Jinan and Xi'an. There are a lot more to the list, say energy giant Taiyuan, heavy industry center Changchun.

 

[AndrewJin]

LOL ... you are right bro, the vast territory of central-western China is definitely the growth engine now!

Just imagine now we can take HSR from Lanzhou along the silk road to Urumqi, Gobi, deserts, 5km-tall Qilian Mountains, grassland and Tianshan Range!
I can't wait to have a second silk road journey, by HSR!!!

 

[Aepsilons]

1. Hard work
2. National planning
3. National Pride


All of these are factors that led to China's success.

 

[Shotgunner51]

1. Hard work
2. National planning
3. National Pride


All of these are factors that led to China's success.

I would say these are some factors that will hopefully lead China to success, and it is still early to conclude that China is already a success story today. National planning, one the driving factors you mentioned, could be a big uncertainty.

Is national planning an essential factor? How critical is it to the ultimate success? If it is so important why some economies fail given the supposed-to-be the best elites on working 24/7 on it?

The already proven successful economies are Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea and HK. National planning varies very differently across these samples, apparently nothing in common between them on this regard. About China, powerful national planning was even disastrous during some period, almost 2 centuries were lost during say late Manchu and PRC during 1950-1970's. What's your view bro?

 

[Aepsilons]

I would say these are some factors that will hopefully lead China to success, and it is still early to conclude that China is already a success story today. National planning, and you mentioned, is a big uncertainty.

Is national planning an essential factor? How critical is it to the ultimate success? If it is so important why some economies fail given the supposed-to-be the best elites on working 24/7 on it?

The already proven successful economies are Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea and HK. National planning varies very differently across these samples, apparently nothing in common between them on this regard. About China, powerful national planning was even disastrous during some period, almost 2 centuries were lost during say late Manchu and PRC during 1950-1970's. What's your view?

Without a doubt National Planning is a major independent variable. China's leadership should be credited with the tangential success through the countless 5 year plans throughout the CPC's existence. These are reactive, reform-oriented and by design are not static , but progress oriented. That is what I admire about China's one party system.

 

[AndrewJin]

Without a doubt National Planning is a major independent variable. China's leadership should be credited with the tangential success through the countless 5 year plans throughout the CPC's existence. These are reactive, reform-oriented and by design are not static , but progress oriented. That is what I admire about China's one party system.

I'm looking forward to the 13th 5-year plan, especially plans in railway sector.

 

[Aepsilons]

I'm looking forward to the 13th 5-year plan, especially plans in railway sector.

I'm looking at the 13th 5 year plan because it entails some cooperation with Japan in managerial cooperation between businesses and government. I have work related interests in this...cooperation.

Good to see deepening cooperation between Japan and China, sans politics.

 

[AndrewJin]

I'm looking at the 13th 5 year plan because it entails some cooperation with Japan in managerial cooperation between businesses and government. I have work related interests in this...cooperation.

Good to see deepening cooperation between Japan and China, sans politics.

Sans hatred...impossible to get rid of that in 21CH

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Without a doubt National Planning is a major independent variable. China's leadership should be credited with the tangential success through the countless 5 year plans throughout the CPC's existence. These are reactive, reform-oriented and by design are not static , but progress oriented. That is what I admire about China's one party system.

Basically USA market fundamentalism of no planing, and rely 100% on market force is a bankrupt ideology. USA free market is not going to work and I always believe the even her most fervent advocate Milton Friedman knew that.

The existence of government is to protect the poor against the rich and the rich is the government. An absolutely free market is just another euphemism and code word for slavery and exploitation.

To enrich themselves, USA elites allow the entire country to run into disaster.

I am a socialist and I believe USA is heading for downhill.

 

[Aepsilons]

Sans hatred...impossible to get rid of that in 21CH

Yea, i just try to ignore the trolling posts here -- excessive nationalism is never good.

Its impossible to communicate with ultranationalists ; either they be Japanese, Korean or Chinese.

Basically USA market fundamentalism of no planing, and rely 100% on market force is a bankrupt ideology. USA free market is not going to work and I always believe the even her most fervent advocate Milton Friedman knew that.

The existence of government is to protect the poor against the rich and the rich is the government. An absolutely free market is just another euphemism and code word for slavery and exploitation.

To enrich themselves, USA elites allow the entire country to run into disaster.

I am a socialist and I believe USA is heading for downhill.

Market economics is fine, but national and foreign policy shouldn't be guided merely on market economics. I'm a fan of market economics + governmental intervention. I admire the one party system of China, its more stable than the multiparty democratic system , which placates national policies as being susceptible to electoral anomalies.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Yea, i just try to ignore the trolling posts here -- excessive nationalism is never good.

Its impossible to communicate with ultranationalists ; either they be Japanese, Korean or Chinese.



Market economics is fine, but national and foreign policy shouldn't be guided merely on market economics. I'm a fan of market economics + governmental intervention. I admire the one party system of China, its more stable than the multiparty democratic system , which placates national policies as being susceptible to electoral anomalies.

A few days ago, I have read some idiots writing that California should be allow to fail in the drought and no one should rescue her. I have seen writing having the logic that California is there due massive state intervention like canals and water diversion project like Hoover Dams, which is not sustainable.

And natural forces like wealther eventually will prevail to take California down.

I could not believe people in USA are so stupid.

 

[AndrewJin]

Yea, i just try to ignore the trolling posts here -- excessive nationalism is never good.

Its impossible to communicate with ultranationalists ; either they be Japanese, Korean or Chinese.



Market economics is fine, but national and foreign policy shouldn't be guided merely on market economics. I'm a fan of market economics + governmental intervention. I admire the one party system of China, its more stable than the multiparty democratic system , which placates national policies as being susceptible to electoral anomalies.

Basically USA market fundamentalism of no planing, and rely 100% on market force is a bankrupt ideology. USA free market is not going to work and I always believe the even her most fervent advocate Milton Friedman knew that.

The existence of government is to protect the poor against the rich and the rich is the government. An absolutely free market is just another euphemism and code word for slavery and exploitation.

To enrich themselves, USA elites allow the entire country to run into disaster.

I am a socialist and I believe USA is heading for downhill.

I think Singapore is also based on one-party, highly centralised administration?
I like the legal system there, If I were the major of Wuhan, I would enact a law: 10 canings if throw rubbish

 

[Lux de Veritas]

I think Singapore is also a one-party, highly centralised administration?

Sort of. That sort of system sucks big time and I experience it as civil servant. Our civil service while reasonably corruption free is a harem of eunuch and cocck suckers.

It is full of court intrigue. And suddenly, I sort of understand and feel the political fight of Mao and comrades.