How CIA is tracking Pakistan Nuke Site Locations

[khansaheeb]

Superb analysis and observation. I hope the decision-makers in these agencies aren't that crazy and have also made this observation. Surely they didn't use the American helicopters to visit these sensitive locations? That would be insanely stupid. These Americans are our mortal enemies. They are just trouble. Every dealing with these Yanks is filled with backstabbing. I wouldn't even shake hands with American officials. Snakes.

Replace these Yankee choppers with Chinese helicopters. Use these for a different purpose. Heck, hand them over to some army or any other division.

Not just helicopters but all equipment needs to be checked for electronic transmissions sending location info.

 

[Imran Khan]

its simple to track them like this

 

[KeyBORED Warrior]

There is a classified hierarchy for Quality Control and Weapons Check Technicians at SPD. Most of them are civilians and based in major cities. You cannot have technical civilians residing at remote sites as they are limited in number. Hence the Quality Teams use the helicopters frequently to fly back and forth from hot sites to do quarterly checks on system reliability and/ or repairs or parts replacement. The only people residing on these sites are Army personnel from Army Strategic Forces who are trained to operate and assemble the full system in case of deployment & the security detail protecting the perimeter of the remote site.

If the Pakistan strategic command decides to deploy the nukes for actual usage on say 12pm on any given day, how long will it take for the Armed personnel to actually assemble them and ready to be launched by a mere push of the button? One retired Gen was saying 20minutes max on TV.

If its true, then the US will never attempt to sabotage our nukes as it'll be too huge a risk. If Pakistan comes to know about it even 30min before the American attempt, at the very least India will be toast.

 

[Ivan]

There is a lack of information that I want to bring into notice.

This analysis of bugged helis giving locations of our nukes is interesting, but is not entirely correct.

All the observations are based on helis flying around towards the mobile launchers present on or under ground facilities and disclosing the locations.

How sure are you SPD directly visits the exact locations flying in these helis without attracting public attention?

I would also like to mention, ground is not the only place wherefrom nukes are launched.

Have you heard of "Nuclear triad"?
Combination of:
1. ICBMs (Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles),
2. SLBMs (Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles) and
3. Strategic Bombers.

These all are the places where nukes are present and on constant move.

You think Americans still know and are tracking all these locations through those helis?

 

[American Pakistani]

There is a classified hierarchy for Quality Control and Weapons Check Technicians at SPD. Most of them are civilians and based in major cities. You cannot have technical civilians residing at remote sites as they are limited in number. Hence the Quality Teams use the helicopters frequently to fly back and forth from hot sites to do quarterly checks on system reliability and/ or repairs or parts replacement. The only people residing on these sites are Army personnel from Army Strategic Forces who are trained to operate and assemble the full system in case of deployment & the security detail protecting the perimeter of the remote site.

What's the issue having them stay at site? Training can be done for new hires too.

 

[FuturePAF]

We should replace those helis with Chinese made.

Or go back to the road trips, so they can blend back into normal traffic and obsure the locations once again. Maintaining Ambiguity should be worth the extra time when doing the checks.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Actually, the US knows exactly where Pakistan's nukes -- fixed and mobile -- are. They just can't do anything about it.

nuts

because then india would sell it's mothers and daughters if it had to, to know the location of the sites and preemptively destroy them in name of anti terrorism

 

[YeBeWarned]

I was thinking why they don't just post quality check team in all facilities to do the job, instead of moving them around wasting time, gas and risky of tracking.

I think that keep one team at one location for long might compromise the site itself, imagine if the team's detail is compromised then their families could be in danger, its best to keep rotating them hence no one can be identified .

 

[Aamir Hussain]

If you and I are talking about then surely SPD is also aware of the threat. Rest assured, it has been taken care of long time back.

 

[American Pakistani]

I think that keep one team at one location for long might compromise the site itself, imagine if the team's detail is compromised then their families could be in danger, its best to keep rotating them hence no one can be identified .

Yes but don't you think traveling on road is more risky and could blow up the cover than someone inside the facility who is unknown to outside world.

 

[TOPGUN]

Actually, the US knows exactly where Pakistan's nukes -- fixed and mobile -- are. They just can't do anything about it.

In that's what matters in the end, they cant do anything about nor can others take that to the bank rather then trolling here with LOL's you should be more concerned about your nation rather then Pakistan.

 

[SQ8]

There are declared and undeclared sites - some messaging is given out so de-escalation mechanisms can be pushed within the world powers.
The true compromise of such tracking is letting the other side know that we mean business through common “allies”.

The negative impact is that Pakistan will have difficulties getting a surprise first strike out without India getting wind of it through the same “allies”.

However if the concern is that the US can “take away” or compromise these weapons directly; it is next to impossible. There are too many and everywhere on Pakistani gridlines that any may-11 type op could get to.

Plus, the US knows what is actually compromise worthy and that is Pakistani people - dangle a green card and the key command structure will gladly come wagging tail.

 

[POPEYE-Sailor]

So Pakistan is knowingly using helicopters that can be tracked by the CIA? Okay...

Pakistan Army also has number of Russian made helicopter as well specially Mi- Series, Our intelligence agency is not like RAW(where four people doing killing for number of days in 2008).
We know how to deal with these beast and how we made nuclear weapon whole world knows.

 

[Safriz]

150 missile sites across the country?
That's a lot

 

[SQ8]

So Pakistan is knowingly using helicopters that can be tracked by the CIA? Okay...

Every Chinook and Apache is trackable along with every flight that is undertaken by any IAF helis.

You seem to forget why the mythical addressing of the agency is not the CIA - its CIA.. do you ever call god.. the god?

150 missile sites across the country?
That's a lot

150 estimated warheads.
Same estimates that concluded Pakistan would not have a nuclear, ballistic or cruise capability by so and so date and then proven wrong.

Quid pro quo plus.. meaning ensuring the end of India as a nation-plus - via the capability.

That goal has been met ten years ago.