How China is desperate to Complete Pakistan’s Nuclear triad

[Zarvan]

How China is desperate to Complete Pakistan’s Nuclear triad
Published August 4, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: SUDESH CHARI / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG

“You can die crossing the street,” he observed, “or you could die in a nuclear war. You’ve got to die some day anyway.” Pakistan’s ambassador to the UN in Geneva, Munir Akram, reiterated Pakistan’s refusal of a no-first-use policy amid 2001-2002 India-Pakistan standoff after an attack on Indian Parliament, then India’s Defence Minister George Fernandes responded by saying “India can survive a nuclear attack, but Pakistan cannot”.

For long Pakistan believed that its aggressive nuclear posturing will deter any Indian response in event of any terror-related incidents but all that changed due to two main development in India, which many in India believed gave India enough reasons to call Pakistan’s nuclear bluff.

India’s Mythical Cold start doctrine shattered Pakistani military planners confidence that its nuclear weapons will deter India from every crossing Line of Control or the international border. Popular belief in Pakistani military after Kargil war and after the 2001-2002 standoff was that Nuclear Arsenal of Pakistan had successfully deterred India from carrying out surgical strikes in Pakistan against terror infrastructure.

India’s Cold start doctrine gave India some level of advantage since it allowed Indian armies Strike corps to assemble on shortest notice period and gave the ability to launch an attack before International pressure could build up on India.

In response to India’s Cold start doctrine, Pakistan came up with the development of two key projects to counter or stop Indian armies strike corps from bulldozing its way into Pakistan. Pakistan developed battlefield Ballistic missile Nasr which when armed with a tactical nuclear weapon could be used to attack invading force even when Indian Army is well inside Pakistani territories.

India on other hand refused to start tactical nuclear weapons race with Pakistan which India could have countered by allowing invading Strike corps to move with tactical nuclear weapons, Indian military planners stuck to strategic nuclear weapons and responded by saying that No Matter what will be size of nukes or where our forces are attacked our response will be massive, this left an element of doubt on Pakistani military planners on effectiveness on use of Tactical nukes which might deny them use of strategic nuclear weapons on Indian territories.

In 2012, Pakistan established new Naval Strategic Force Command, described by the military as the custodian of the country’s nuclear second strike capability which will strengthen Pakistan’s policy of credible minimum deterrence and ensure regional stability which they believed shifted due to launch of India’s first nuclear INS Arihant ballistic missile submarine .

Shortly after visit of Chinese president Xi visit from Pakistani, there was media buzz about talks which was underway with china in supply of eight Conventional diesel submarines in a 5$ billion deal that could more than double Pakistan’s submarine fleet size.

Submarine in question which have been offered are Yuan-Class Diesel submarines in line Kilo submarine currently operated by Indian Navy, But submarine which Pakistanis are eyeing to complete their low-cost Nuclear triad against rise of expensive Nuclear submarine program initiated by India in the region is to procure much larger Qing-Class submarines which reportedly are equipped with vertical launch system which will allow Pakistan to deploy permanent sea-based deterrent equipped with plutonium-based warheads fitted into Submarine launched variant of Babur cruise missiles which can strike targets 700-1000km.

AIP-equipped conventional submarines with Cruise missiles armed with Tactical nukes will provide Cheaper second strike platform for Pakistani military against rising Nuclear submarine force which India is developing which is both Capital intensive and involves technically complex technology which Pakistan cannot match.

Don't worry Indians the Party has just begun ( Party to abhi shuru hui hay ) I am pretty sure two nuclear submarines along with these 8 AIP subs are also on the card. So many more things will come. This is just the beginning.

 

[shah1398]

We are selling them AIP submarines, we have no control over what warheads (conventional/nuclear) they choose to put in their submarine-launched cruise missiles.

If they want to use it as a second-strike option (which appears to be the case) that is their own business.

There is also no proof that China helped Pakistan gain nuclear weapons in the first place.

Sir if U keep on speaking so much truth with not even mincing a single word then this would surely upset many across our eastern borders.
Long Live Friendship.

 

[Beta-Fighter]

Could you please post a source which is non Indian to back up your claim. As has been reiterated many times you can't just take a blue print and convert this into a nuclear bomb. There is a lot more than that which goes into it. This is the reason why other nations like iran have struggled to go down similar route. What you have very conveniently quoted off the cuff is a huge discredit to the thousand of Pakistani s ientist and their hard labour spanning decades. Have the courtesy to give credit where it is due.

Read it. You can more then 1000 sites which are article written on it........ What else you want ? BTW AK Khan Nuclear black market was also non -extinct , US show the proof. All the material came from china / black market .

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL31555.pdf

China May Have Helped Pakistan Nuclear Weapons Design, Newly Declassified Intelligence Indicates

Congressional Record, V. 146, Pt. 12, July 27, 2000 to September 13 2000 - Google Books

Who Created Pakistan's Nuclear Arsenal? | Jamyang Norbu

https://nuclearconference2015.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/nsri-paper-henrik-hiim.pdf

China Supplied Weapon-Grade Uranium to Pakistan, Khan Asserts | Global Security Newswire | NTI

Pakistan's Nuclear Weapons Program - Development

why primitive and deluded Indian think they are something`````you joke country is irrelevant in world stage```lol


yeah, we 'afraid' of google, because they have 'proofs' that we 'helped' Pakistan to develop nukes````so what you primitive India gonna do about that?

India already did ... didn't you seen what's coming, your PLA already started crying about India ...

Don't worry Indians the Party has just begun ( Party to abhi shuru hui hay ) I am pretty sure two nuclear submarines along with these 8 AIP subs are also on the card. So many more things will come. This is just the beginning.

2 Nuke subs ...... lol , china still only have few nuke , they still to have large number of nuke subs . India already started the party BTW.

Economic production ala Tejas. Oh please spare me the rhetoric.

stay on topic..... check you T-84 proved superior then AK, myth broken of Chinese tank superiority.

 

[MAJESTICAL]

 

[ZAC1]

i dont think why every body mentioning babur cruise missile ( range 1000 KM) if we are buying submarines china can provide long range missile also to pakistan.

JL-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it has 8000 KM range i know restrictions of export.but hidden arrangement can be made easily.

A new Missile by pakistan

i think its name should be TIPU as speculations are already there from many years.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

i dont think why every body mentioning babur cruise missile ( range 1000 KM) if we are buying submarines china can provide long range missile also to pakistan.

JL-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it has 8000 KM range i know restrictions of export.but hidden arrangement can be made easily.

A new Missile by pakistan

i think its name should be TIPU as speculations are already there from many years.

The newer "JL-3" Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile has an even greater range than that.

But the transfer of such technology must be done "under the table". So we won't hear official word of it.

 

[farhan_9909]

We can take care of india on conventional front

 

[ZAC1]

The newer "JL-3" Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile has an even greater range than that.

But the transfer of such technology must be done "under the table". So we won't hear official word of it.

that is not big issue. give the design and engineers.easily can come in pakistan and work .
but i think 8 subs 50 Missile just paint them and name them are enough

not to build them just purchase them and name it

We can take care of india on conventional front

And in nuclear front .Pakistan is already better than india

 

[OrionHunter]

You guys write ALL this jingoistic crap....how come I've not seen ONE Indian leader (from SUCH a peace loving nation called India), EVER offering the Chinese and the Pakistanis that hey guys, let's not fight and help our 2.6 billion people by arranging an EU type of a region with free trade and no wars. That would help India more than ANYONE else.

Now that was a joke of galactic proportions!!

Firstly unlike with Pakistan, there is no war-like situation between the India and China as you contend. Our trade is galloping by leaps and bounds almost touching $100 billion compared to your measly $14 billion.

Secondly, it is Pakistan that has always put a spoke in the wheel where trade between India and Pakistan is concerned. India had given you MFN status decades ago but you guys are crap scared to afford the same status to India as you think that your markets will be overwhelmed by Indian goods and thus destroy your industry. Nothing can be farther from the truth.

Where SAARC is concerned, Pakistan is the only country which has refused to sign various cooperation agreements. In 2014, Pakistan rejected two trade and transit agreements with the SAARC countries, which was believed to be important for all eight nations.

Three other agreements, one for improving railway transport connectivity, another on motor vehicles and one on the Saarc framework agreement for energy was scuttled by Pakistan. However due to immense pressure from other SAARC nations, it finally succumbed and signed the energy agreement.

As a result, other pissed off SAARC nations have banded together and left Pakistan out of various sub regional groupings.

 

[Gufi]

The newer "JL-3" Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile has an even greater range than that.

But the transfer of such technology must be done "under the table". So we won't hear official word of it.

apparantly leasing nuclear subs and teaching them everything about it is acceptable in tot... please lease us a Chinese cruise missile with a 2000 km radius so we can sit in our seas and pop up around every now and than....

Firstly unlike with Pakistan, there is no war-like situation between the India and China as you contend. Our trade is galloping by leaps and bounds almost touching $100 billion compared to your measly $14 billion.

your newspaper report yesterday showed China sees India as a threat along with some other nations...

let us change the title to how Russia wants india to complete the nuclear triad and whine like babies about it..

 

[T-Rex]

India has thermo nuke and also 300 kt nuke warheads our Agnis can take 1000-3000 kg warheads which only means bigger warheads also with nuke tech.

Should you mind if we say that it is another 'tall' indian claim without any evidence!

saudi not only sponsors of pakistan but also the ideological head of pakistani sunni fanatics. Also
hit where it hurts most to muslims Makkah Madina which pakistani worships wont be spared if Indian civilization is bombed.

You have unwittingly admitted at least one truth about the Saudi-indian relation. So what if the Saudis consider india as an ally but the indian politicians who govern india most probably has the same intention as you have.

Only if fairness was the criteria for a seat at the high table, there wouldn't even be a P5. Forget NPT.

Had it been a fair world india couldn't have occupied part of Kashmir, Pakistan would have possessed Kashmir the way india possessed Hydrabad. If it had been a fair world indian couldn't have stabbed the Palestinian cause in order to have an affair with the zionazi state of assrahell. So, when an indian talks of an unfair world it sounds really strange.

modi on china trip begging for support and crying about CPECView attachment 243917

So, we can see that Modi is a cross-dresser! Perhaps he should propose to Obama.

 

[RazorMC]

...
For long Pakistan believed that its aggressive nuclear posturing will deter any Indian response in event of any terror-related incidents but all that changed due to two main development in India, which many in India believed gave India enough reasons to call Pakistan’s nuclear bluff.
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Sorry but no country has ever been in a position to call a nuclear bluff. The US did so in Cuba and had to go back to the negotiating table with the Soviets..

 

[ZAC1]

The newer "JL-3" Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile has an even greater range than that.

But the transfer of such technology must be done "under the table". So we won't hear official word of it.

Pakistan already got many things under the table
like recently Burraq with tot modifications made by pakistan

 

[xyxmt]

We are selling them AIP submarines, we have no control over what warheads (conventional/nuclear) they choose to put in their submarine-launched cruise missiles.

If they want to use it as a second-strike option (which appears to be the case) that is their own business.

There is also no proof that China helped Pakistan gain nuclear weapons in the first place.

it helps them sleep better at nite thinking China gave Pakistan nukes and NK gave Pakistan Missiles.
but their Nuclear sub and ACs are indigenous

Sorry but no country has ever been in a position to call a nuclear bluff. The US did so in Cuba and had to go back to the negotiating table with the Soviets..

Well US did not have 56" chest on 60" Height, now do they?
Dont compare supperior (whatever) race with inferior white race!

 

[Caprxl]

hit where it hurts most to muslims Makkah Madina which pakistani worships.

Someone tell this idiot that Pakistanis or muslims don't WORSHIP Mecca or Madina