How can Pakistan counter India’s ABM system?

[Ijaz Ahmad Zarrar]

1.Pakistan would develop , multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs)& maneuverable warheads through SHAHEEN3 BM & also future BM


2.Pakistan would develop submarine launched cruise missile i.e Babur cruise missile & CJ-10k in their future chinese Type 39B submarine ,which would give them sea based nuke deterrence & would ensure the survivability of its nuclear deterrent



3.Pakistan would produce more number of ballistic missiles & has increased production of nuclear fissile material like plutonium used for nuke bombs,so that it
would overwhelm india ABM shield ,by firing more missiles towards india


4.Pakistan would use of decoys (e.g., lightweight mylar balloons which, until re-entry, will travel on an identical trajectory with the heavier warheads), use of ablative materials or reflective coatings which limit the damage of directed energy weapons, launches of numerous harmless missiles early in an attack which might cause the defender reveal his defenses and expend valuable resources

5.Pakistan could acquire anti satellite weapon or jammers from chinato confuse india’s satellites,which also play a key role in India’s anti ballistic missile shield


6.Pakistan would rely more on cruise missiles like stealthy RAAD & babur for nuke deterrent they are harder to detect due to their lower radar cross-signature, low-level navigation,and use of waypoints to circumvent more secure and heavily defended areas.


7.Pakistan would seek help from from Beijing for high-altitude and anti-ballistic missile (ABM) defenses through HQ-9/ FD2000 deal


8.Pakistan would target india’s BMD Radar through long range anti radiation missile like brazilian MER-1 anti radiation missile

9.Pakistan could pursue hypersonic missile technology if they are ready to afford it.

10.Last but not least Pakistan could 1st strike ,as it fears if india 1st strike then their majority nuke detterent might be destroyed & rest if survive would be destroyed by india’s ABM shield

PLEASE NOTE
this are all my personal assumption ,well anyone having any better ideas apart from this can post
REGARDS

Informative one...

 

[fatman17]

Does IN have a ABM system deployed?

 

[kurup]

Does IN have a ABM system deployed?

Nope .

 

[Aitzaz Rai]

Did Someone Say HAARP?

 

[Sana Khan Asad]

Will the 8 GRC bought for Coast Guards?

 

[Atheria]

All your stand off Nuclear warheads will be wipe out in the Selective Strategical Strikes due its geographical Limitations Not like India .SSBN's will give huge advantage too India in these Circumstances .Abm's are Also have factor in This

Did you forget Agosta 90bs are capable of firing N-tipped babur? one of out F-22p probably be retro-fitted with an Mk 41 VLS strike module , so we can have stand off babur cruise missiles on our surface fleet too

The confusion is with you India have possession of Thermonuclears Warheads Upto 200kt.only few Kt bomb In Hiroshima impacted so huge just think what thermonuclear warhead can Do as you have geographical Limitations and Don't posses Second medium of nuclear delivery like chinese have Eg SSBN. As If one medium is down Other Options are there aswell with US

you are touting that Pakistan has no capability after the Nuclear rain starts, which is hardly the case , with just 90 odd Nukes you expect your strategic forces to counter not only countervalue but counterforce targets too?
Should I call this confidence or delusion?

 

[DrSomnath999]

Does IN have a ABM system deployed?

Hi

THe fact is IN doesnt need ABM system at the moment why?

becoz pakistan majority of BMs are land based not sea based
plus pakistan plans to have a conventional sub with nuke cruise missile launch capabilty not nuke capable BMs

so urgent requirement for IN to have ABM capbilty is not there in regard to pakistan

but for china we need to develop it badly

1) they have nuclear subs with tremendous fire power of nuke BMs

2)they have AsBMs capabilty great threat to our carriers



CHEERS

 

[Immanuel]

Did you forget Agosta 90bs are capable of firing N-tipped babur? one of out F-22p probably be retro-fitted with an Mk 41 VLS strike module , so we can have stand off babur cruise missiles on our surface fleet too
you are touting that Pakistan has no capability after the Nuclear rain starts, which is hardly the case , with just 90 odd Nukes you expect your strategic forces to counter not only countervalue but counterforce targets too?
Should I call this confidence or delusion?

And by what gutter logic are you determining that India which since day 1 had 5 times more fissile material, 4-5 times the capacity to produce weapons grade only has 90 warheads? Are you really that naïve to think that India which considers China a bigger threat for many decades now only have 90 warheads when to keep China in check we would need around 300+ warheads ? As per basic production figures of weapons grade material and strategic missile production rates of like Agni 1/2/3/4 and now Agni 5, we would have crossed 150 warheads as early 2004, 10 years down the line + added capacity in the mean time we are looking at India already having a minimum warhead count of over 300 warheads. At best real estimate we already have over 350 warheads. All these farticles from Washington think tanks only paints a naïve picture, anyways **** can believe in those figures, it only adds to the deception. Also to say China has only 300 warhead is joke, China already has over 1000+ or more.

Pakistan will not have much left once the nuke rain starts, India isn't concerned with this, post Cold Start Doctrine will overwhelm Pak in conventional way and crossing the nuke threshold will result in absolute destruction of Pak. Also, when such a conflict starts china will hide as they are not interested in an all out war with India.

All this friendship tunes with China are merely for show, when the war starts, China will not support Pak. Where was China during Kargil btw?

 

[The SC]

And by what gutter logic are you determining that India which since day 1 had 5 times more fissile material, 4-5 times the capacity to produce weapons grade only has 90 warheads? Are you really that naïve to think that India which considers China a bigger threat for many decades now only have 90 warheads when to keep China in check we would need around 300+ warheads ? As per basic production figures of weapons grade material and strategic missile production rates of like Agni 1/2/3/4 and now Agni 5, we would have crossed 150 warheads as early 2004, 10 years down the line + added capacity in the mean time we are looking at India already having a minimum warhead count of over 300 warheads. At best real estimate we already have over 350 warheads. All these farticles from Washington think tanks only paints a naïve picture, anyways **** can believe in those figures, it only adds to the deception. Also to say China has only 300 warhead is joke, China already has over 1000+ or more.

Pakistan will not have much left once the nuke rain starts, India isn't concerned with this, post Cold Start Doctrine will overwhelm Pak in conventional way and crossing the nuke threshold will result in absolute destruction of Pak. Also, when such a conflict starts china will hide as they are not interested in an all out war with India.

All this friendship tunes with China are merely for show, when the war starts, China will not support Pak. Where was China during Kargil btw?

Actually India has enough fissile material to make around 2000 bombs, China made sure it is in par with India...plus Hydrogen bombs.
Remember that just 2 two nuclear bombs made japan surrender and sign an armistice. You can have a thousand nuclear bombs which real role is not to be nuclear bombed or deterrence.
And, if India has no ABM system yet, what is the purpose of this thread?

 

[vsdave2302]

1.Pakistan would develop , multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs)& maneuverable warheads through SHAHEEN3 BM & also future BM


2.Pakistan would develop submarine launched cruise missile i.e Babur cruise missile & CJ-10k in their future chinese Type 39B submarine ,which would give them sea based nuke deterrence & would ensure the survivability of its nuclear deterrent



3.Pakistan would produce more number of ballistic missiles & has increased production of nuclear fissile material like plutonium used for nuke bombs,so that it
would overwhelm india ABM shield ,by firing more missiles towards india


4.Pakistan would use of decoys (e.g., lightweight mylar balloons which, until re-entry, will travel on an identical trajectory with the heavier warheads), use of ablative materials or reflective coatings which limit the damage of directed energy weapons, launches of numerous harmless missiles early in an attack which might cause the defender reveal his defenses and expend valuable resources

5.Pakistan could acquire anti satellite weapon or jammers from chinato confuse india’s satellites,which also play a key role in India’s anti ballistic missile shield


6.Pakistan would rely more on cruise missiles like stealthy RAAD & babur for nuke deterrent they are harder to detect due to their lower radar cross-signature, low-level navigation,and use of waypoints to circumvent more secure and heavily defended areas.


7.Pakistan would seek help from from Beijing for high-altitude and anti-ballistic missile (ABM) defenses through HQ-9/ FD2000 deal


8.Pakistan would target india’s BMD Radar through long range anti radiation missile like brazilian MER-1 anti radiation missile

9.Pakistan could pursue hypersonic missile technology if they are ready to afford it.

10.Last but not least Pakistan could 1st strike ,as it fears if india 1st strike then their majority nuke detterent might be destroyed & rest if survive would be destroyed by india’s ABM shield

PLEASE NOTE
this are all my personal assumption ,well anyone having any better ideas apart from this can post
REGARDS

By the time pakistan develops above systems, India shall have High altitude interceptor , Laser and Kali 50000 or 10000 and Durga in place to shoot down any incoming missile.

Does IN have a ABM system deployed?

Short range missile Yes.

Medium range missile No.

Will the 8 GRC bought for Coast Guards?

Are you a lady?

 

[Immanuel]

Actually India has enough fissile material to make around 2000 bombs, China made sure it is in par with India...plus Hydrogen bombs.
Remember that just 2 two nuclear bombs made japan surrender and sign an armistice. You can have a thousand nuclear bombs which real role is not to be nuclear bombed or deterrence.
And, if India has no ABM system yet, what is the purpose of this thread?

Atheria brings up N-tipped Babur, well Babur can be shot down, Akash/ Barak can shoot down such missiles. Also with Spyder ADS network coming up in numbers along with the Akash, the Babur will not be able to penetrate the defenses which only get more impregnable. Nasr and IRBMs need the Endo interceptors to be deployed widely which will happen soon enough.

 

[انگریز]

Marv is the way to go

 

[Jaci]

1.Pakistan would develop , multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles (MIRVs)& maneuverable warheads through SHAHEEN3 BM & also future BM


2.Pakistan would develop submarine launched cruise missile i.e Babur cruise missile & CJ-10k in their future chinese Type 39B submarine ,which would give them sea based nuke deterrence & would ensure the survivability of its nuclear deterrent



3.Pakistan would produce more number of ballistic missiles & has increased production of nuclear fissile material like plutonium used for nuke bombs,so that it
would overwhelm india ABM shield ,by firing more missiles towards india


4.Pakistan would use of decoys (e.g., lightweight mylar balloons which, until re-entry, will travel on an identical trajectory with the heavier warheads), use of ablative materials or reflective coatings which limit the damage of directed energy weapons, launches of numerous harmless missiles early in an attack which might cause the defender reveal his defenses and expend valuable resources

5.Pakistan could acquire anti satellite weapon or jammers from chinato confuse india’s satellites,which also play a key role in India’s anti ballistic missile shield


6.Pakistan would rely more on cruise missiles like stealthy RAAD & babur for nuke deterrent they are harder to detect due to their lower radar cross-signature, low-level navigation,and use of waypoints to circumvent more secure and heavily defended areas.


7.Pakistan would seek help from from Beijing for high-altitude and anti-ballistic missile (ABM) defenses through HQ-9/ FD2000 deal


8.Pakistan would target india’s BMD Radar through long range anti radiation missile like brazilian MER-1 anti radiation missile

9.Pakistan could pursue hypersonic missile technology if they are ready to afford it.

10.Last but not least Pakistan could 1st strike ,as it fears if india 1st strike then their majority nuke detterent might be destroyed & rest if survive would be destroyed by india’s ABM shield

PLEASE NOTE
this are all my personal assumption ,well anyone having any better ideas apart from this can post
REGARDS

Its a good post and you have made some very good points but mirv is the most importent one and i dont think mirv is going to be available anytime soon.

Marv is the way to go

what is MARV?

 

[kurup]

what is MARV?

Maneuverable Re-entry Vehicle .

Maneuverable reentry vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

by launching 50 missiles at once