Houses of Afghan nationals bulldozed in Torkham

[django]

Most of them appear uneducated to me. Those Afghans, with skills and high quality education, are sitting in the West and are refusing to return to their country (their younger generation born there dont even relate with their watan, its unfamiliar place for them). The ones here in Pakistan, running hotels and other businesses here, frequently go to Afghanistan and many have one leg in Pakistan and another leg in Afghanistan.

The situation in Afghanistan is very bad. It was already extremely backward before 1979, now has sunk even deeper due to four decades long war and devastation.


I now the worth and weight of some one from Nowshera, kamasal khalaq.

Comparatively to the afghans residing in afghanistan I would say they have more work based skill, ie electrical,carpentry construction, literacy levels etc

 

[Samandri]

My wife is from Chitral. .

Its interesting that you are telling the particulars about your wife on some random forum..... a sign of kamasaltob.

Comparatively to the afghans residing in afghanistan I would say they have more work based skill, ie electrical,carpentry construction, literacy levels etc

Thats true.

 

[Dalit]

Its interesting that you are telling the particulars about your wife on some random forum..... a sign of kamasaltob.


Thats true.

I'm not a Chitrali hence my reference. You Afghans only cause destruction every place you go. You are not liked by anyone. Just go back to your own country and leave our country in peace. We are sick and tired with you Afghans destroying our nation. Now even people in Bulgaria are running around with knives to hunt Afghans. What does it tell you about people being fed up? There is no bigger kamasal's than Afghans who cause misery in other countries.

 

[haviZsultan]

That's a logically fallacious argument directed at the wrong person at the wrong thread. I DO NOT represent my country's gov or its ruling elites. I am not a nationalist and don't believe in nationalistic and ethnic BS and neither do i feel the urge to defend all wrongs of my country. My country is a dysfunctional secular shithole , and as such it won't treat refugees well. It doesn't even treat its own poor people well. My country is not a good example to follow.

Btw do u represent your gov? If not why do u feel the urge to defend wrongs of your gov?

The thing is no Muslim state is perfect. Each muslim state has its problems.

@t topic. Afghanistan has always viewed Pakistan as a rival. I have been to all sorts of forums and the hatred exhibited by the Afghans may perhaps even be more severe than our eastern neighbors. There are apologists of Afghans like @Samandri but I believe Pakistani concerns are genuine and unless addressed our draconian policies to helpless refugees are if not ufully nderstandable then slightly understandable.

When Pakistan was formed Afghanistan did not accept it as a state. Liaquat Ali Khan was shot dead by an Afghan about whom only shadowy details are available. Afghanistan opposed Pakistan's inclusion in UN. Zahir Shah was an instigator and supported Faqir of Ipi inspiring him to continue fighting Pakistan and did not accept the Durand line as the defacto border. Daoud Khan went further and launched border raids tried to take Bajaur with his ragtag militias. If Afghanistan is no threat to us then why did we days ago catch an Afghan spy after we caught Yadav. Media sources I know believe both may be linked. Samandri why should we trust these Afghans after the way they treat us?

The division between Pakistani Pashtun and Afghan Pashtun began the very day Abdur Rehman Khan accepted the Durand line and subsequent leaders refused to support any of the native uprisings from Palay Khan. The fate of Pakistan was sealed since then to be seperate from Afghanistan. Dreaming of a larger Afghanistan as it was under Ahmed Shah Duranni and Nadir Shah will not solve anything. The very issue is that the Afghans do not accept our land as ours and that is one of the fundamental problems, poisoning relations for generations. Afghans and Pakistanis need to sit together and think about the direction they are taking.

 

[Samandri]

I'm not a Chitrali hence my reference. You Afghans only cause destruction every place you go. You are not liked by anyone. Just go back to your own country and leave our country in peace.

Kharay alert

 

[django]

My wife is from Chitral. Every year I go to this place in Pakistan I see more Afghans destroying this serene and beautiful place. Tens of thousands of illegal Afghans live here without any proper paperwork. Chitral borders with Afghanistan and Afghan Taliban cross bridges from Bumburet to terrorise the locals. Criminality is on the rise and people are fed up with Afghan presence. There are countless places in Pakistan that are filled with illegal Afghans. These aren't normal circumstances and we are lectured by a few to just accept this mockery. No one should accept the destruction of their society and region.

Bro I have been to chitral, not as frequently as you ,their are lots of Panjsheris their with businesses , but was not aware of talibs coming in from Nuristan, as it is non pashtun area, but if this is happening we need to put a stop to incursions as this is historically a peaceful place, indeed a while back talibs did threaten peaceful kaalash community

Interesting. Any particular reason why Azad Kashmir is so much congested with Afghans?
There were news about expelling Afghan refugees from Azad kashmir....what happened to that, government gave up?

After APS incident things have changed , Now they are getting hassled more frequently and being told to leave, Kashmir has a large diaspora in europe, they send their money back to relatives which has caused the local economy to flourish and has drawn people from all over afghansitan, their is a freind of my uncle a pashtun from Quetta who is a millionaire due to construction boom

 

[Dalit]

Bro I have been to chitral, not as frequently as you ,their are lots of Panjsheris their with businesses , but was not aware of talibs coming in from Nuristan, as it is non pashtun area, but if this is happening we need to put a stop to incursions as this is historically a peaceful place, indeed a while back talibs did threaten peaceful kaalash community

Bro, Afghan Talibs are coming from mountains and bridges to the Bumburet valley. This is the place of Kalasha tribe. They terrorize the Kalasha tribe and even hold villages hostage. Thankfully the Pakistani army is now deployed to secure these areas. I have family members who proudly serve in the Pak army to deal with these scum. Afghan Talibs are shot at sight. The same story with illegal Afghans roaming on streets and causing trouble. Chitral is just one example directly affected by Afghan misery. There are countless places in Pakistan where Afghans have destroyed law and order. Azad Kashmir and Peshawar is another example. These Afghans specifically choose such tranquil and serene places to multiply.

 

[Samandri]

The thing is no Muslim state is perfect. Each muslim state has its problems.

@t topic. Afghanistan has always viewed Pakistan as a rival. I have been to all sorts of forums and the hatred exhibited by the Afghans may perhaps even be more severe than our eastern neighbors. There are apologists of Afghans like @Samandri but I believe Pakistani concerns are genuine and unless addressed our draconian policies to helpless refugees are if not ufully nderstandable then slightly understandable.

When Pakistan was formed Afghanistan did not accept it as a state. Liaquat Ali Khan was shot dead by an Afghan about whom only shadowy details are available. Afghanistan opposed Pakistan's inclusion in UN. Zahir Shah was an instigator and supported Faqir of Ipi inspiring him to continue fighting Pakistan and did not accept the Durand line as the defacto border. Daoud Khan went further and launched border raids tried to take Bajaur with his ragtag militias. If Afghanistan is no threat to us then why did we days ago catch an Afghan spy after we caught Yadav. Media sources I know believe both may be linked. Samandri why should we trust these Afghans after the way they treat us?

The division between Pakistani Pashtun and Afghan Pashtun began the very day Abdur Rehman Khan accepted the Durand line and subsequent leaders refused to support any of the native uprisings from Palay Khan. The fate of Pakistan was sealed since then to be seperate from Afghanistan. Dreaming of a larger Afghanistan as it was under Ahmed Shah Duranni and Nadir Shah will not solve anything. The very issue is that the Afghans do not accept our land as ours and that is one of the fundamental problems, poisoning relations for generations. Afghans and Pakistanis need to sit together and think about the direction they are taking.

To answer your question, yea Afghans have been hostile to Pakistan from very start , one-sided enemies. Pakistan is not their country and they have to return to their country. But my fingers, as i mentioned on this thread, are pointed towards similar treatment that IDPs received in Islamabad, Punjab and Karachi.....Bulldozing houses in FATA is not unusual and shocking incident, these are illegal Afghans while the houses of locals are razed to the ground as punishment or some pretext as part of FCR. There are two places in the world where houses are demolished like this, Palestine and FATA

Bro, Afghan Talibs are coming from mountains and bridges in the Bumburet valley. This is the place of Kalasha tribe. They terrorize the Kalasha tribe and even hold villages hostage. Thankfully the Pakistani army is now deployed to secure these areas. I have family members who proudly serve in the Pak army to deal with these scum. Afghan Talibs are shot at sight. The same story with illegal Afghans roaming on streets and causing trouble. Chitral is just one example directly affected by Afghan misery. There are countless places in Pakistan where Afghans have destroyed law and order. Azad Kashmir and Peshawar is another example. These Afghans specifically choose such tranquil and serene places to multiply.

Stop lying , Kharay. There are no Afghan Taliban in chitral, and Pakistan army is not shooting them there , nor elsewhere in Pakistan.

 

[Dalit]

The thing is no Muslim state is perfect. Each muslim state has its problems.

@t topic. Afghanistan has always viewed Pakistan as a rival. I have been to all sorts of forums and the hatred exhibited by the Afghans may perhaps even be more severe than our eastern neighbors. There are apologists of Afghans like @Samandri but I believe Pakistani concerns are genuine and unless addressed our draconian policies to helpless refugees are if not ufully nderstandable then slightly understandable.

When Pakistan was formed Afghanistan did not accept it as a state. Liaquat Ali Khan was shot dead by an Afghan about whom only shadowy details are available. Afghanistan opposed Pakistan's inclusion in UN. Zahir Shah was an instigator and supported Faqir of Ipi inspiring him to continue fighting Pakistan and did not accept the Durand line as the defacto border. Daoud Khan went further and launched border raids tried to take Bajaur with his ragtag militias. If Afghanistan is no threat to us then why did we days ago catch an Afghan spy after we caught Yadav. Media sources I know believe both may be linked. Samandri why should we trust these Afghans after the way they treat us?

The division between Pakistani Pashtun and Afghan Pashtun began the very day Abdur Rehman Khan accepted the Durand line and subsequent leaders refused to support any of the native uprisings from Palay Khan. The fate of Pakistan was sealed since then to be seperate from Afghanistan. Dreaming of a larger Afghanistan as it was under Ahmed Shah Duranni and Nadir Shah will not solve anything. The very issue is that the Afghans do not accept our land as ours and that is one of the fundamental problems, poisoning relations for generations. Afghans and Pakistanis need to sit together and think about the direction they are taking.

You know it. There are some very deep rooted and fundamental problems between Pakistan and Afghanistan. This goes back to the very early days of Pakistan's existence. Afghans are bred to hate Pakistan. Let's not pretend that all is fine. Pakistan should seal its border with this country and expel illegal Afghans. Don't expect peace and friendship with these people. Enmity and hatred is part of their DNA. Afghanistan itself is a good example. Just look at the endless tribal conflicts in this country as an example.

To answer your question, yea Afghans have been hostile to Pakistan from very start , one-sided enemies. Pakistan is not their country and they have to return to their country. But my fingers, as i mentioned on this thread, are pointed towards similar treatment that IDPs received in Islamabad, Punjab and Karachi.....Bulldozing houses in FATA is not unusual and shocking incident, these are illegal Afghans while the houses of locals are razed to the ground as punishment or some pretext as part of FCR. There are two places in the world where houses are demolished like this, Palestine and FATA


Stop lying , Kharay. There are no Afghan Taliban in chitral, and Pakistan army is not shooting them there , nor elsewhere in Pakistan.

Afghan, we are shooting your Taliban friends like dogs. You just try entering our territory. We know how to deal with you people.

 

[Samandri]

Just look at the endless tribal conflicts in this country as an example.

Tribal conflicts are part and parcel of even Pakistani Pashtun belt, 60 people got killed in inter-clan war over possession of some hill in North Waziristan while Zarb-e-azab was still going on. You are definitely a Kharay, your language and tone gives away. there are plenty of you people in Nowshera.

Afghan, we are shooting your Taliban friends like dogs. You just try entering our territory. We know how to deal with you people.

The same Afghan Taliban who are sponsored by ISI and are given refuge in Pakistan?. How old are you?........or its Kharay side boiling up irrationally

 

[Dalit]

Tribal conflicts are part and parcel of even Pakistani Pashtun belt, 60 people got killed in inter-clan war over possession of some hill in North Waziristan while Zarb-e-azab was still going on. You are definitely a Kharay, your language and tone gives away. there are plenty of you people in Nowshera.

You are an Afghan who wants to burden Pakistan eternally. Go to America or your father India. You hate Pakistan. Stop coming here.

Tribal conflicts are part and parcel of even Pakistani Pashtun belt, 60 people got killed in inter-clan war over possession of some hill in North Waziristan while Zarb-e-azab was still going on. You are definitely a Kharay, your language and tone gives away. there are plenty of you people in Nowshera.


The same Afghan Taliban who are sponsored by ISI and are given refuge in Pakistan?. How old are you?........or its Kharay side boiling up irrationally

Afghans are a terrible people who only know how to burden and destroy other nations. Just look at your own country. You people cannot even accept each other. You destroyed your own country by tribal enmity and blame the entire world. Afghan, you better tell your people to stop burdening Pakistan. What part of we don't want you here don't you understand? Just leave and go back to your own land.

I'm so glad Pakistanis are finally realizing the Afghan problem. The resentment and anger is immense. From Azad Kashmir to KP. People want to see you gone. Go to papa India you coward. You love their culture and movies. You hate and badmouth Pakistan. Can't have it both ways, Afghan.

 

[Samandri]

What can i say. A Kharay or any one from Nowshera wont dare to talk with me like this on face.....but sitting behind PC screen, people feel protected and brave. ILike i said, i know the worth and weight of any one from Nowshera. i wont waste my time further. Send me your address and i will bring you to your senses, kamasla

 

[Dalit]

What can i say. A Kharay or any one from Nowshera wont dare to talk with me like this on face.....but sitting behind PC screen, people feel protected and brave. ILike i said, i know the worth and weight of any one from Nowshera. i wont waste my time further. Send me your address and i will bring you to your senses, kamasla

I will break your face and legs, stupid Afghan. You come here in my country and terrorize my people? You want to act tough? We will destroy you like we are already doing. You think you can burden my country by behaving like an uncivilized outlaw and a thug that you are? Think again, Afghan. Don't think you can misuse our hospitality. We are welcoming, but we will throw you out if we have to. Don't test our patience, Afghan. We will demolish your illegal places and expel you from our land.

You Afghans crap where you eat. That is your way of thanking your hosts. Just leave our country and fvck off to India, your daddy. You like worshipping India. Why don't you go to India? Why keep coming to Pakistan? Coward Afghan that speaks a double tounge. An Afghan whose words and actions never match.

 

[django]

Bro, Afghan Talibs are coming from mountains and bridges to the Bumburet valley. This is the place of Kalasha tribe. They terrorize the Kalasha tribe and even hold villages hostage. Thankfully the Pakistani army is now deployed to secure these areas. I have family members who proudly serve in the Pak army to deal with these scum. Afghan Talibs are shot at sight. The same story with illegal Afghans roaming on streets and causing trouble. Chitral is just one example directly affected by Afghan misery. There are countless places in Pakistan where Afghans have destroyed law and order. Azad Kashmir and Peshawar is another example. These Afghans specifically choose such tranquil and serene places to multiply.

Bro I am not saying every Afghan is good, I presume you are from KPK you must have had even more interaction with them than I have, but too generalise everyone as bad is plainly irrational, their used to be a guy call syedali he had similar opinions and btw I am glad chitral is being secured especially our Kaalsh brothers who are as peaceful as one can get and like you I too think Afghans should leave and I say this with a heavy heart as some of the finest people i have ever met where Afghans.kudos

 

[somebozo]

Personally, I think it's a mistake. A lighter hand should be used, all this will do is create resentment, and cause these Afghans to support the TTP when they go back to Afghanistan.

You are a fool to assume afghans work by such logic...tribal loyality is for sale to highest bidder...they will want to make money in Pakistan and at the same time support TTP.

Next time dynamite the houses with its occupants inside...

I will break your face and legs, stupid Afghan. You come here in my country and terrorize my people? You want to act tough? We will destroy you like we are already doing. You think you can burden my country by behaving like an uncivilized outlaw and a thug that you are? Think again, Afghan. Don't think you can misuse our hospitality. We are welcoming, but we will throw you out if we have to. Don't test our patience, Afghan. We will demolish your illegal places and expel you from our land.

You Afghans crap where you eat. That is your way of thanking your hosts. Just leave our country and fvck off to India, your daddy. You like worshipping India. Why don't you go to India? Why keep coming to Pakistan? Coward Afghan that speaks a double tounge. An Afghan whose words and actions never match.

It is said that when a rich travelers transits afghanistan...he gets a lot of hospitality...the hosts are competing on who gets to loot the traveller!

Afghans are a terrible people who only know how to burden and destroy other nations. Just look at your own country. You people cannot even accept each other. You destroyed your own country by tribal enmity and blame the entire world. Afghan, you better tell your people to stop burdening Pakistan. What part of we don't want you here don't you understand? Just leave and go back to your own land.

I'm so glad Pakistanis are finally realizing the Afghan problem. The resentment and anger is immense. From Azad Kashmir to KP. People want to see you gone. Go to papa India you coward. You love their culture and movies. You hate and badmouth Pakistan. Can't have it both ways, Afghan.

It Pakistan did not armed and funded the Afghan civil war it would have engulfed entire Pakistan...Just look at the history of these people..Zia ul Haq had brilliant thinking when he decided to keep the Afghan factions fighting among themselves for power