Houses of Afghan nationals bulldozed in Torkham

[Musalman]

No they are not. There is a country called Pakistan now and it has it's citizens.
Just being pushtoon doesn't mean Afghani are also Pakistani.
Pretty racist mentality

Sir I am not a pushtoon, I am a punjabi. But I firmly believe that there should be a soft border between Pushtoon's of Afganistan and Pustoon of Pakistan, because they are one nation and dividing a nation cause more trouble than any good. Same goes for Baluchs and Hazaras of Iran Pakistan and Afghanistan. All Afghans should be allowed to work and live in Pakistan. We should allow them legally otherwise they will live here illegally and will not pay taxes , just like our politicians Choice is ours!!!

So is the govt and police of KPK .. Had you ever visited KPK .. You would have known how much the locals dislike afghans..


On topic .. These people aren't refugees .. They hold no cards/unregistered... And if they don't move .. There illegal houses will be demolished for good.

Get yourself registered or get your illegal houses demolished .. Pakistan isn't a chandukhana for every other Abdul from Afghanistan.. Matiurr from Bangladesh etc.

Why not allowing Bengalis and Afgans to work here will not cause any bad thing to us. Be metropolitan is good rather than being bad

 

[That Guy]

You are a fool to assume afghans work by such logic...tribal loyality is for sale to highest bidder...they will want to make money in Pakistan and at the same time support TTP.

Do you have any study, or did you just pull that out of your ***?

Next, don't call others fools, unless you have a legitimate argument.

Besides, what is your solution? kick them out? It would cost Pakistan billions, and no one is going to pay for that. Kill them? Go ahead and prove India + BD right.

The current proposals that people have are nothing more than wishful delusions. There are realistic solutions to the Afghan issue, and they can only be implemented, if Pakistanis stop and think for a second.

Your approach is way too civilized and not practical considering the realities on ground. There is a long list of thing that Pakistan and Pakistanis should have done. Nothing works in Pakistan, no one make sense there. Tribal, Taliban, MQM, govt, people. Everybody is looking for a shortcut to make quick 2 bucks for themselves and would not mind fucking fellow Pakistani or nation integrity over for it.

And your approach would not only be barbaric, it would bankrupt Pakistan. It would cost BILLIONS to repatriate even just the illegal Afghanis, and even then FORCING them to go would cause even more problems for Pakistan, and would make Pakistan's even more unsafe and internationally unpopular.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Do you have any study, or did you just pull that out of your ***?

Next, don't call others fools, unless you have a legitimate argument.

Besides, what is your solution? kick them out? It would cost Pakistan billions, and no one is going to pay for that. Kill them? Go ahead and prove India + BD right.

The current proposals that people have are nothing more than wishful delusions. There are realistic solutions to the Afghan issue, and they can only be implemented, if Pakistanis stop and think for a second.


And your approach would not only be barbaric, it would bankrupt Pakistan. It would cost BILLIONS to repatriate even just the illegal Afghanis, and even then FORCING them to go would cause even more problems for Pakistan, and would make Pakistan's even more unsafe and internationally unpopular.

Where are you getting your Billion figure? Pakistan is unsafe cuz of illegal, undocumented Afghans earning money from crimes. Internationally, no one cares about Afghan or Pakistanis.

 

[That Guy]

Where are you getting your Billion figure? Pakistan is unsafe cuz of illegal, undocumented Afghans earning money from crimes. Internationally, no one cares about Afghan or Pakistanis.

How much do you think it is going to cost per person, to repatriate them? It isn't going to be free. And over at least 1 million+. That puts the number in the billions, that's simple critical thinking skills.

You would also be surprised how much the international community actually cares about Pakistan and Afghanistan. It's not a lot, but it's more than enough to take notice.

 

[Genghis khan1]

How much do you think it is going to cost per person, to repatriate them? It isn't going to be free. And over at least 1 million+. That puts the number in the billions, that's simple critical thinking skills.

You would also be surprised how much the international community actually cares about Pakistan and Afghanistan. It's not a lot, but it's more than enough to take notice.

Again your are thinking like they are in US or Canada.You think Pakistan will send some Immigration police, there will be detention, police work, judicial paperwork, plane ticket back to Afghanistan. Dude, stop equating situation in Pakistan to procedures in US or Canada. Total cost of Kick them out is few trip by local administration and police for notification and Bulldozer fuel.

 

[That Guy]

Again your are thinking like they are in US or Canada.You think Pakistan will send some Immigration police, there will be detention, police work, judicial paperwork, plane ticket back to Afghanistan. Dude, stop equating situation in Pakistan to procedures in US or Canada. Total cost of Kick them out is few trip by local administration and police for notification and Bulldozer fuel.

That's not how this works, even in fucking Somalia. It costs money and political leverage to do what you're spouting, it has nothing to do with Canadian procedures. By the way, Canada is accepting thousands of refugees, not forcefully kicking them out.

There are repercussions for every action taken, what you're talking about is barbaric, and costly. Transporting them to the border, detaining them, making sure local authorities have their details to stop them from coming back, all this shit costs money. You have to pay people, you can't just do this for free.

I'm done repeating myself here, I'm just upsetting myself over this.

 

[Genghis khan1]

That's not how this works, even in fucking Somalia. It costs money and political leverage to do what you're spouting, it has nothing to do with Canadian procedures. By the way, Canada is accepting thousands of refugees, not forcefully kicking them out.

There are repercussions for every action taken, what you're talking about is barbaric, and costly. Transporting them to the border, detaining them, making sure local authorities have their details to stop them from coming back, all this shit costs money. You have to pay people, you can't just do this for free.

I'm done repeating myself here, I'm just upsetting myself over this.

Like I said, you are not connected to realities on ground. idk what happens is somalia, but I do Know how things are done in Pakistan, other than some specific cases, there is no detention, transportation to border, Biometric ID and that sort of stuff.

 

[haviZsultan]

To answer your question, yea Afghans have been hostile to Pakistan from very start , one-sided enemies. Pakistan is not their country and they have to return to their country. But my fingers, as i mentioned on this thread, are pointed towards similar treatment that IDPs received in Islamabad, Punjab and Karachi.....Bulldozing houses in FATA is not unusual and shocking incident, these are illegal Afghans while the houses of locals are razed to the ground as punishment or some pretext as part of FCR. There are two places in the world where houses are demolished like this, Palestine and FATA


Stop lying , Kharay. There are no Afghan Taliban in chitral, and Pakistan army is not shooting them there , nor elsewhere in Pakistan.

I am severely against this treatment that is meted out to tribals and blaming them for all ills and problems. You know me and my sympathetic stand to all Pashtuns, atleast those on our side of the border. But I pointed out that Afghanistan has treated us as an enemy. I strongly believe we need to treat our tribals with respect though. I have heard what you have heard,. Collateral damage, collective punishment and many other problems tribals face. They should end and their efforts enrolled in the combating of militancy.

 

[Samandri]

I am severely against this treatment that is meted out to tribals and blaming them for all ills and problems. You know me and my sympathetic stand to all Pashtuns, atleast those on our side of the border. But I pointed out that Afghanistan has treated us as an enemy. I strongly believe we need to treat our tribals with respect though. I have heard what you have heard,. Collateral damage, collective punishment and many other problems tribals face. They should end and their efforts enrolled in the combating of militancy.

I agree.......Just few days ago there was seminar about reforms in FATA in Peshawar and the attendants stressed on giving FATA its rights. This doesnt go to mainstream Pakistan, and then people assume that its tribals who want FCR law and are quite happy with it, they even mistake 'FCR' for 'Pashtunwali'. After 120 years of imposition, FCR does have become part and parcel of tribal society of FATA, but it doesnt mean they are quite O.K with it. The reason it became a 'norm' for them, is because they think that such harshness comes with some benefits e.g they dont have to pay taxes, they can take revenge and wont be chased by police....and that they have 'Independence' compared to settled Pashtuns. This 'Independence' is an illusion though, they are administered strongely through a political agent is who always an outsider and is nothing less than a lord and king in his powers. Historically, none of the hill tribesmen were ruled by Mughals, Durranis or Sikhs, they never paid taxes...instead they, particularly those who controlled passes, were given annual allowances by Mughals and Durranis. So there is indeed a mentality there, that bulldozing of houses and collective punishment is preferable than paying taxes and living under mainstream laws like "subjects". So they want "reforms" , not integration to settled areas.......ANP and other politicians, on the other hand, want joining of FATA with KPK. In my opinion, they should be administered like settled areas, there should be Police stations and courts there, and Tax should be imposed on them....."Jirga" mediates, it can never be a replacement of a court

 

[Kabira]

I agree.......Just few days ago there was seminar about reforms in FATA in Peshawar and the attendants stressed on giving FATA its rights. This doesnt go to mainstream Pakistan, and then people assume that its tribals who want FCR law and are quite happy with it, they even mistake 'FCR' for 'Pashtunwali'. After 120 years of imposition, FCR does have become part and parcel of tribal society of FATA, but it doesnt mean they are quite O.K with it. The reason it became a 'norm' for them, is because they think that such harshness comes with some benefits e.g they dont have to pay taxes, they can take revenge and wont be chased by police....and that they have 'Independence' compared to settled Pashtuns. This 'Independence' is an illusion though, they are administered strongely through a political agent is who always an outsider and is nothing less than a lord and king in his powers. Historically, none of the hill tribesmen were ruled by Mughals, Durranis or Sikhs, they never paid taxes...instead they, particularly those who controlled passes, were given annual allowances by Mughals and Durranis. So there is indeed a mentality there, that bulldozing of houses and collective punishment is preferable than paying taxes and living under mainstream laws like "subjects". So they want "reforms" , not integration to settled areas.......ANP and other politicians, on the other hand, want joining of FATA with KPK. In my opinion, they should be administered like settled areas, there should be Police stations and courts there, and Tax should be imposed on them....."Jirga" mediates, it can never be a replacement of a court

I was reading this article written by former political agent in FATA, it seem like there is a reason people there are happy with collective responsibility.

"An important issue is the abolition of the Frontier Crimes Regulation. This is a highly misunderstood issue. The tribal people themselves believe in collective bargaining and collective action against the authority. The rational response to collective bargaining is to accept collective responsibility which they had done. If they give up collective action and bargaining today, collective responsibility can be dropped tomorrow. Many in Fata understand this fine point. That is why they do not press for the abolition of FCR."

http://www.dawn.com/news/1251939/an-option-for-fata

Anyway good article, I think FATA should merge with KPK. Or at least made in to province with provincial assembly, police, courts etc

 

[That Guy]

Like I said, you are not connected to realities on ground. idk what happens is somalia, but I do Know how things are done in Pakistan, other than some specific cases, there is no detention, transportation to border, Biometric ID and that sort of stuff.

Okay, smart guy, what's your plan? Explain to me in detail what your plan is.

By the way, how the hell are you going to kick them out, if you don't physically remove them from Pakistan? How are you going to stop them from reentering, or even just relocating? Didn't think of that, did ya?

It seems to me that YOU aren't connected to ground reality, because the government does ID Afghans, what do you think the registration process is for? It certainly isn't to give them benefits only. Also, there is transportation to the border; with the UN's help, Pakistan uses trucks and jeeps to transport Afghans to the border, where they're greeted by UN workers and given a small amount of money for their journey.

 

[somebozo]

Sir I am not a pushtoon, I am a punjabi. But I firmly believe that there should be a soft border between Pushtoon's of Afganistan and Pustoon of Pakistan, because they are one nation and dividing a nation cause more trouble than any good. Same goes for Baluchs and Hazaras of Iran Pakistan and Afghanistan. All Afghans should be allowed to work and live in Pakistan. We should allow them legally otherwise they will live here illegally and will not pay taxes , just like our politicians Choice is ours!!!

When Afghanistan becomes a civilized and stable country not bent on conspiring and invading neighbours then it makes political and economic sense to create a union between Pak and Afghanistan...

 

[Musalman]

It sometimes amazes me how racist we are!

 

[mikkix]

Excellent strategy by those who behind the decision. War is ending and mercinaries are reducing so they want new mercinaries. Bulldozing of houses recruits new mercinaries from those houses.

There are many ways to settle the dispute. Patience peace love respect and intelliegence is the key to success.