HIT's Muhafiz APC Proves To Be A Deadly Embarrassment

[Kompromat]

This is otokar arkep

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

This is otokar arkep

Close enough?

 

[cabatli_53]

I haven't seen the name of Pakistan in export list of Cobra vehicles at official undersecretariat documenta of Tukish defence industry. Most probably, The mentioned cooperation is about Otokar Akrep and Otokar APC's Pakistan have alread been using.

but Regarding exports, Not Otokar but There are some serious developments from BMC side that can be taken seriously. As you know that BMC is the developer institute of Kirpi MRAP vehicles which provides much more protection on like a castle body than Otokar's Light armoured vehicle Cobra. Turkish Army brought 500 4x4 Kirpi MRAP's and deliveries have already been continuing. In recent months, BMC introduced 6x6 Kirpi MRAP. Acc to BMC, The new 6x6 version of Kirpi has been modified in accordance with a costumer's requirement. If We consider Turkish Army just brought 4x4 Kirpi version, 6x6 Kirpi's have been modified for a foreign countries requirements.

Besides, It was already known that BMC and Pakistan officials were negotiating for a likely Kirpi deal to meet the troop protection requirements of Pakistan army in war zones.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...rpi-mrap-deal-pakistan-kazakhstan-2012-a.html

6x6 and 4x4 side by side

 

[somebozo]

I rmember one police encounter in locality where police with drew from the fight with Talebans only after when few of their AK got jammed.

Jamming an AK is against the basic rules of science.

 

[cabatli_53]

I haven't seen the name of Pakistan in export list of Cobra vehicles at official undersecretariat documenta of Tukish defence industry. Most probably, The mentioned cooperation is about Otokar Akrep and Otokar APC's Pakistan have alread been using.

but Regarding exports, Not Otokar but There are some serious developments from BMC side that can be taken seriously. As you know that BMC is the developer institute of Kirpi MRAP vehicles which provides much more protection on like a castle body than Otokar's Light armoured vehicle Cobra. Turkish Army brought 500 4x4 Kirpi MRAP's and deliveries have already been continuing. In recent months, BMC introduced 6x6 Kirpi MRAP. Acc to BMC, The new 6x6 version of Kirpi has been modified in accordance with a costumer's requirement. If We consider Turkish Army just brought 4x4 Kirpi version, 6x6 Kirpi's have been modified for a foreign countries requirements.

Besides, It was already known that BMC and Pakistan officials were negotiating for a likely Kirpi deal to meet the troop protection requirements of Pakistan army in war zones.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...rpi-mrap-deal-pakistan-kazakhstan-2012-a.html

6x6 and 4x4 side by side

"BMC Kirpi Combat Proven".

At the latest PKK attack, Kirpi MRAP survived against 80kg explosives planted and Noone died.

 

[Fieldmarshal]

The most common misperception about armored cars is that they are bullet proof, which is incorrect. No armored car can be categorized as bullet proof, since all ballistic material available are rated to defeat ballistic threats within specific parameters in accordance with various international ballistic standards.

No vehicle can be made bomb/IED proof – not even a tank. Usually for low profile, up-armored commercial vehicles, the blast protection offered is described in terms of number of hand grenades or some particular small road side bombs. For APCs it is usually described in terms of quantity (in Kilograms etc) of TNT or any equivalent explosive charges.
khi/sind police had ordered B6 level armored vehicle to be manufactured by HIT
B6 armoring specifies that the material can defeat multiple 7.62x51mm assault rifle rounds. 6mm ballistic steel is used on B6 vehicles.
According to the CEN ballistic standards, materials rated at the B6 and B7 level can both defeat multiple 7.62x51mm rifle rounds, but they are rated for different types of ammunition. B7 level armoring can defeat armor piercing 7.62x51mm ammunition that are designed to penetrate armor whereas B6 level armoring cannot (B6 is the protection level of the APC and armored cars of khi/sind police) .
had these vehincles been B7 than B7 armoring can defeat 7.62x54R ammunition used in weapons such as the Dragunov SVD rifle and PKM/PKP machine guns.

The APC in questions all took multiple armor piercing round hits over a period of many days even though the level of protection of the APC and armored cars (B 6) were not rated to provide protection against against such ammunition's.
So instead of pointing fingers at HIT, khi/sind police need to look at their own stupidity of ordering down graded vehicles. Now after the fc@kup sind police has now placed an order with HIT for B7 armor protection level vehicle (Mohafiz).

 

[F.O.X]

There is Nothing called bullet proof exist in the world , Hit Repeated Rounds of 7.65mm (Ak47) and even the best Armour in the world will fall apart .

The Main Role of APC is to Transport Personal in the battle area , & making sure their reach their destination successfully , without getting killed in the Transit & to Extract them , APC's role does not include Parked at a point & used for Target practice by the miscreants , it is the inability of sindh police that got their men killed , not the problem in APC.

If you Give a Tank to a Truck Driver he will destroy it even before enemy has a chance.

It is like this , a Good marksman can hit a target with ak47 ( which has somewhat questionable accuracy ) at a 400m , but give an untrained man a Sniper & he may not hit a target at 100m . What matters is how good you are in using the equipment , how good the equipment is, is secondary.