History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

[mrfly911]

No.

It stated in our history: "Chinese envoy using la langue of animal to insult the court. .."

in Vietnamese: << Uốn lưỡi cú diều mà sỉ mắng triều đình >>

C'mon bro! Please give the world some thing neutral.

 

[Viet]

Our central govs did not attack or annex Vietnam once Viet admitted to be vassal state .

you know certainly being a vassal does not equal to being a province of China. It is somewhat superficial. it is a form of diplomacy in ancient times where China was viewed in the center and other nations as satellites or vassal states.

why did ancient China intervene when there were internal conflicts in Vietnam or when we had conflicts with our neighbors? the wars involving the Ming and Qing were two examples.

 

[Grand Historian]

Vietnamese logic:Raid Chinese provinces capturing land,people and resources,complains when Chinese send forces to invade Vietnam as a result of Vietnamese aggression.

 

[EastSea]

C'mon bro! Please give the world some thing neutral.

It is written in 諭諸裨將檄文; do you know it ?

 

[mrfly911]

It is written in 諭諸裨將檄文; do you know it ?

It said about Mongolian, not Chinese.

 

[Kyle Sun]

you know certainly being a vassal does not equal to being a province of China. It is somewhat superficial. it is a form of diplomacy in ancient times where China was viewed in the center and other nations as satellites or vassal states.

why did ancient China intervene when there were internal conflicts in Vietnam or when we had conflicts with our neighbors? the wars involving the Ming and Qing were two examples.

Vassal state is not equal to province , you are right .

The reason why Ming and Qing intervened Viet is some guy pretended to coup the legal Gov which was recognized by our GOV

Or the legal Gov wanted to be fully independent.

I copy here another translation in English, it is better than what I did:

"We have seen the enemy ambassadors haughtily traveling over our roads and wagging their owlish tongues to insult the Court. Despicable as dogs and goats, they boldly humiliate our high officials."

So it was just bad words not military invade ?

 

[EastSea]

It said about Mongolian, not Chinese.

when you have time to read posts of Chinese members on PDF here, Chinese claimed that Mongolian are Chinese in nationality and Yuan Dynasty is official Dynasty of China, Huang Di of China is considered as Chinese.

Mongolian Chinese and Han Chinese belong to two different ethnic group in China. What was the requirement of Ming Dynasty Huang Di after Lieu Thang was killed in fighting in Vietnam, ? huang di of Ming was Han Chinese .

So it was just bad words not military invade ?

Yuan Dynasty army of China invaded in to Vietnam three time.

 

[Kyle Sun]

when you have time to read posts of Chinese members on PDF here, Chinese claimed that Mongolian are Chinese in nationality and Yuan Dynasty is official Dynasty of China, Huang Di of China is considered as Chinese.

Mongolian Chinese and Han Chinese belong to two different ethnic group in China. What was the requirement of Ming Dynasty Huang Di after Lieu Thang was killed in fighting in Vietnam, ? huang di of Ming was Han Chinese .



Yuan Dynasty army of China invaded in to Vietnam three time.

After Viet claimed as a vassal state of Yuan GOV , they stopped the invading .

 

[EastSea]

After Viet claimed as a vassal state of Yuan GOV , they stopped the invading .

Viet paid some money for gifts to Yuan court for prevent more conflict with China, it was corruption money. Good business we did.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Viet paid some money for gifts to Yuan court for prevent more conflict with China, it was corruption money. Good business we did.

No matter what , after Viet claimed you are vassal state of Yuan , they stopped invading.

That's why I said we did not attack Viet with no reason.

 

[EastSea]

No matter what , after Viet claimed you are vassal state of Yuan , they stopped invading.

That's why I said we did not attack Viet with no reason.

our envoy dropped in China in the past to do policy business for peace with gift and briber money, he didn't said like that, only Chinese fabricated themselves for that.

for vassal states existed in Ancient China only. These ranged in size from small city states to vassals which controlled large swathes of territory such as the States of Zhou and Qi guo.

One of these vassal states would go on to conquer China and unite the country under the first emperor Qin Shihuang..

 

[xesy]

Vietnamese logic:Raid Chinese provinces capturing land,people and resources,complains when Chinese send forces to invade Vietnam as a result of Vietnamese aggression.

Even now with car and train, moving through the mountain area border between China and VN on land is still very troublesome. VN was also not known for having good calvary (elephant troops were well known). How came VN could raid China, then came back without a scratch? And why would we? VN was not like Mongolia. We had our own delta, our own coast. Why would we risk attacking a more advanced nation? Mongolians could do that because they had best calvary of all times. Japanese could do that because China could hardly cross the sea to attack them. What did VN have to do that? Nothing.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

Vietnamese always complain about their miserable history of being "invaded".

 

[dichoi]

Vietnamese always complain about their miserable history of being "invaded".

event though Champa, Thailand and Khmer Rouge they invaded in to our soil first.

 

[mrfly911]

Vietnamese always complain about their miserable history of being "invaded".

Chinese don't complain about the Japanese, do they?