History of Vietnam or What do you want to know about Vietnam?

[EastSea]

I doubt that the Qing didn't care, they cared enough to intervene in Burma in the 1760s. Perhaps there was an internal issue in the Chinese Empire that prevented the Qing Dynasty from interfering in Indochina during the 1780s.

I'm curious to know now tho.

Qing intervented in 1789 when Le Dynasty asked for help to counter Nguyễn Huệ.

 

[Aepsilons]

Qing intervented in 1789 when Le Dynasty asked for help to counter Nguyễn Huệ.

And may I ask what was the outcome of that conflict? Did the Le win? Nguyen Hue?

 

[Viet]

And may I ask what was the outcome of that conflict? Did the Le win? Nguyen Hue?

back then VN was going through a period of chaos, where many war lords fought for supremacy in the country: the Trinh, Nguyen, Le and Tay Son. as for conflict with China, it is the war between Vietnam (Tay Son dynasty) vs China (Qing dynasty) 1788-1789. the vietnamese military campaign under Nguyễn Huệ against the Qing army was considered as one of the greatest victories in our military history.

The First Tet Offensive of 1789

Battle of Ngọc Hồi-Đống Đa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

although Vietnam won the war, Nguyen Hue sought peace and normalization. he sent envoy (his nephew, Nguyễn Quang) to China and agreed to pay tribubes to the Qing court.

 

[Nguzengon]

Clearly, the intentions of Hue was not peaceful at all. Don't you agree? The mistake of the Siamese and Anh was in lowering their guards during this Formal parlay. "

Yes, no peaceful intention, but Siam and Anh were very too flattered, too confident of winning, but not necessarily lowering their guards, too silly just to march their troops there to hold peace talks.

The Wikipedia translation glossed over too much details. The Viet page has a fuller version of the ante battle scenes and intrigues.

The so called truce was only a discussion to buy time, played psychological games, during which Hue probed enemy lines with minor skirmishes. Neither side were fooled with the truce discussion, they were using the time to choose and set up their own battle ground.

[vi wikipedia org wiki Trận_Rạch_Gầm_–_Xoài_Mút]
"
Biết quân Xiêm tham tàn, Nguyễn Huệ cho người đưa tiền của sang mua chuộc, bàn việc giảng hòa, cốt làm cho tướng Xiêm chủ quan và làm tăng thêm mối hoài nghi của chúa Nguyễn đối với quân Xiêm.
"


Rough Translation -
Knowing Siam's eager for destruction, Nguyen Hue sent people over with money and treasure to bribe, hold talks for peace, the gist is to make Siam's generals overly self-confident, and to make Nguyen Anh suspicious of the intention of Siam.

 

[somsak]

Vietnam population reaches over 90 million | VOV Online Newspaper

Congratulation! Vietnam 90 million population.

Why 110:100 boy:girl at birth but 100:100 in total population? VN Men dies much younger?

 

[Viet]

Vietnam population reaches over 90 million | VOV Online Newspaper

Congratulation! Vietnam 90 million population.

well, that is just an estimation. the koreans assume VN population is higher: 93.42 million. if you add 5 million overseas vietnamese, then VN has about 98 millions.
The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - Korea, Vietnam Conclude FTA

Why 110:100 boy:girl at birth but 100:100 in total population? VN Men dies much younger?

like China, VN suffers gender imbalance, too. there are more boys than girls, because many viet parents still favor boy over girl. sons are obliged to continue ancestry worshipping and so on. that is very bad.
and of course, like most of countries in the world, live expectancy of men is shorter (70.44 years) than women (75.65 years). women tend to take of themselves more than men.

 

[didius]

4 million in their region...but 3 million are spreading...mostly in Indonesia big city. Singapore first President is also from Minangkabau.....many has higher position in Malaysia as well. It is a political and trader ethnic of native Indonesian....Clever people and respected.....None of you see this tribe go overseas for uneducated work....Most funding father of Indonesian are also from this tribe....including one of two of our Independence proclamers...which are Soekarno (Javanese ) and Muhammad Hatta is Minangkabau. First Prime Minister of Indonesia is also Minang Tribe. This tribe is also known as quite Islamic Tribe....Muhammadiyah which is the Wahhabi type of Islam is actually form by Minang (Sumatrans) and Yogya (Central Java) clerics. Sundanese is also very Islamic......Thats why in Minangkabau (West Sumatra) and Sundanese (West Java)...mostly Islamic parties won there. Today West Java (Sundanese) is lead by the governor coming from the most conservative Islamic Party (PKS)....

This tribe (Minang) has some Arabic link according to China voyager....Arab village are seen in West Sumatra since long time ago. Many Indonesian artist are also coming from this tribe. I doubt they come from Vietnam......because I have pure blood of Minangkabau.....and never heard such story.....but according to Minang old people...they believe they come from Alexandre The Great ... (I doubt this story....it just maybe Arab traders who are taller than SEA people) but any way Good luck to Vietnamese Friends for bringing this tribe to your thread

you might want to check on Champa my friend....

The Muslim Acehnese people of Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia, are the descendants of Cham refugees who fled after defeat by the Vietnamese polity in the 15th century. wikipedia : Chams
Folklore traces this to five masters, namely Ninik Datuak Suri Dirajo from Padang Panjang, Kambiang Utan ("forest goat") from Cambodia, Harimau Campo ("tiger of Champa") from Vietnam, Kuciang Siam ("Siamese cat") from Thailand and Anjiang Mualim ("teacher dog") from Gujarat. wikipedia : Pencak Silat

 

[didius]

Depiction of fighting Cham naval soldier against the Khmer, stone relief at the Bayon
(Cham people are surely Austronesian just like Reglai, Jarai, Rede, etc)

some of them somehow ended up in Malaysia and Indonesia bringing with them the haplogroup O2a1 (M95) wich is more prevelant in Austroasiatic (Mon-Khmer) population in mainland SEA.....that's why most Indonesian DNA marker are belong to this haplogroup type (National Pies - Ancestral Genography Atlas)

why we cannot put some site links over here ?

History of Vietnam or
What do you want to know about Vietnam?



Thread has been opened as there are increasing complaints by other members due to off-topic comments in numerous non-Vietnam related threads. Hope on fruitful discussions and contributions. All comments except insult are welcome.

@djsjs, I believe you wanted to see this thread a year ago.

tell me about the history of Luo Yue 雒越 name ?

You should listen to French instead, one of most beautiful languages of the world.

how about Indonesian ? the easiest language in the world and sound a bit like Japanese or something...

how can we posting another post instead of adding something in the same post ?

 

[Rechoice]

tell me about the history of Luo Yue 雒越 name ?

The Lạc Việt (雒越; pinyin: Luòyuè) were an ancient people of what is today the lowland plains of northern Vietnam, particularly the marshy, agriculturally rich area of the Red River Delta.[1] They are particularly associated with the Bronze AgeĐông Sơn culture of mainland Southeast Asia.[2]

The Lạc Việt are believed to have founded a state called Văn Lang in 2879 BC.[3][4] The people of Văn Lang traded with the upland-based Âu Việt people, who lived in the mountainous regions of what are today northernmost Vietnam, western Guangdong, and northern Guangxi, China, to their north, until 258 BC or 257 BC, when Thục Phán, the leader of the alliance of Âu Việt tribes, invaded Văn Lang and defeated the last Hùng king. He united the two kingdoms, naming the new nation Âu Lạc and taking aSino-Vietnamese title, "peaceful virile king" (traditional Chinese: 安陽王; ; Vietnamese: An Dương Vương).[5]

Lạc Việt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jlaw]

back then VN was going through a period of chaos, where many war lords fought for supremacy in the country: the Trinh, Nguyen, Le and Tay Son. as for conflict with China, it is the war between Vietnam (Tay Son dynasty) vs China (Qing dynasty) 1788-1789. the vietnamese military campaign under Nguyễn Huệ against the Qing army was considered as one of the greatest victories in our military history.

The First Tet Offensive of 1789

View attachment 162217




Battle of Ngọc Hồi-Đống Đa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
View attachment 162212

although Vietnam won the war, Nguyen Hue sought peace and normalization. he sent envoy (his nephew, Nguyễn Quang) to China and agreed to pay tribubes to the Qing court.
View attachment 162230

Vietnamese are either strange or not telling the truth. So they claim to won the war but continued paid tribute to Qing?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Vietnamese are either strange or not telling the truth. So they claim to won the war but continued paid tribute to Qing?

You called its a 'tribute' but every one know its just a donation to millions hungry poor Cnese peasants and frozen kids in winter.

Cnese now still have to crawl around the lake just for keeping low paid job

 

[Jlaw]

You called its a 'tribute' but every one know its just a donation to millions hungry poor Cnese peasants and frozen kids in winter.

Cnese now still have to crawl around the lake just for keeping low paid job

OK NiceGuy

 

[Viet]

Vietnamese are either strange or not telling the truth. So they claim to won the war but continued paid tribute to Qing?

who wakes up this 2 year thread to life?

anyway, Vietnam paying tributes was a form of establishing diplomacy, normalization of relationship or accepting chinese supremacy. that is not unsual in ancient times. it is all about face. with some interruptions (wars, conflicts with China or civil war in Vietnam when there wasn´t a dedicated ruler), VN paid tributes once a year. sometimes in every 2 or 3 years. special gifts from Vietnam to special occasions like wedding of the chinese emperor or his birthday. all negotiated and signed in a vassal treaty.

I can tell you we didn´t cry a tear when the Qing collapsed, ending formally the tribute system.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Wow wow who said this in the first page?

@ChineseTiger1986 , please adopt him into your family.



Yue is a loose term for non-han people. Luo referred specifically to the people living in northern VN.

I don't look like a Viet, period.

The Indian guy does know jacksh1t about China's history.