History lessons.....British Indian Empire.....

[Aepsilons]

There was in fact neither beef nor pork on the ammunition.

Second, these were not paper coverings on rifles, but on bullets, the cartridges containing gunpowder.

The replacement of the East India Company was not the British military.

Whatever the case, mate, news of this led to the rebellion and riots.

 

[Levina]

Thanks Levina.

Are you your sure Portugese started from Kerala?

I always thought they started from Goa.
I believe Goa still has two "farms" that were established by Portugese.

It was fascinating to learn the type of farms they setup.

Ohhh so you didnt know Vasco da gama had actually sailed in kerala's malabar coast first??
Well thats how the tumultuous socio-political relationship between India and Europe began.

 

[FaujHistorian]

nope never wondered of any dutch and Portuguese company in india.....

hmm... there were no indian companies because we were self sufficient in most of the things...and moreover we didn't have that great naval armada at mogoul rule.. and then we mostly have cottage and small industries ...our people never thought of trading in thisway.....

you will be amazed to know that modern system of forming companies and stock exchanges was invented by Dutch.

And "Dutch East India Company" was the first to be established.

you wonder why dutch made such a company?

 

[Aepsilons]

good post.

By the way Europeans knew the Eastwards sea rout to India and far east.

Back then for simplicity, the whole region beyond Middle East all the way to China was called "India".

It's rather funny also the fact that the British practically monopolized on piracy activity against the Spanish Galleon Trade. They effectively manipulated control through such ways.

Ohhh so you didnt know Vasco da gama had actually sailed in kerala's malabar coast??
Well thats how the tumultuous socio-political relationship between India and Europe began.

Correct ! He improved upon Prince Henry of Portugal's route through th Cape of Good Hope.

you will be amazed to know that modern system of forming companies and stock exchanges was invented by Dutch.

And "Dutch East India Company" was the first to be established.

you wonder why dutch made such a company?

The Dutch also effectively replaced the Portuguese as masters in the Malaccas.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Even in India, the company’s trading monopoly was abolished in 1813, and by the 1850s it was little more than a managing agency for the British government’s administration of India. After the Indian mutiny in 1857, for which the company was held partly to blame, it was liquidated and its assets transferred to the crown on 2 August 1858.

Its assets were transferred to the Crown.

It was not liquidated. It exists even today, and functions.

 

[Aepsilons]

Its assets were transferred to the Crown.

It was not liquidated. It exists even today, and functions.

More or less, yes. Government needed to consolidate control, especially after the defeat of the symbol of British power , per se the Afghan-British war if 1839, which led to the loss of the entire Expeditionary force.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Ohhh so you didnt know Vasco da gama had actually sailed in kerala's malabar coast first??
Well thats how the tumultuous socio-political relationship between India and Europe began.

Yup. you are correct. there is a gap of a century or two between Kalikut goa

 

[Dem!god]

do u all know that Island of mumbai was a dowry to british from Portuguese ..

 

[Aepsilons]

do u all know that Island of mumbai was a dowry to british from Portuguese ..

Very typical in the age of European Imperialism.

 

[Dem!god]

Very typical in the age of European Imperialism.

yes and at first britishers had their first trading post at surat, and then at madras and then Bombay and at last at calcutta...
though the bengal trade was the most profitable of all and that is why calcutta became the center of nerve for them... its here after when the influence of mughal empire began to decline they started to manipulate the bengal politics....

Jahangir investing a courtier with a robe of honour watched by Sir Thomas Roe, English ambassador to the court of Jahangir at Agra from 1615–18, and others

 

[FaujHistorian]

yes and at first britishers had their first trading post at surat, and then at madras and then Bombay and at last at calcutta..........

Jahangir investing a courtier with a robe of honour watched by Sir Thomas Roe, English ambassador to the court of Jahangir at Agra from 1615–18, and others

nice picture.

......
though the bengal trade was the most profitable of all and that is why calcutta became the center of nerve for them... its here after when the influence of mughal empire began to decline they started to manipulate the bengal politics......

Bengalis (and local rulers in other parts of the subcontinent) were manipulating British power and money to extend Bengali leaders' own power
While Brits were manipulating locals' politics to extend British power


It was a two way street.

Locals were not some hapless animals being pushed around by Brits.

It just so happened that locals' infighting slowly gave Brits an upper hand.

It isn' too different from today in 2014, when Pakistan and India beg other powers for money and weapons in order to put each others down.

 

[MilSpec]

Let me ask a question from all of you aspiring history analysts: why were people from Calcutta known as Ditchers?

I think because british in bengal province had dug ditch around kolkattaa for protection from maratha invaders...

 

[B+ Dracula]

To worsen matters, Aurangzeb, who lacked Akbar's religious tolerance, imposed special taxes on Hindus, destroying their temples and forced them to convert to Islam. Soon after Aurangzeb's death, the empire began breaking up, enabling the British to step into the void.

I agree with you...except that part, Your side BRANDED Aurangzeb as Un-Acceptable in all case, he was Iron Fist ruler who tried to put down rising rebellion of Marhatas (who were Hindus)....Later Marhatas dominated large part of India
Its the hereditary right of Every Kingdom of the world to destroy another rising Power, Plz dont brand him as Anti-Hindu.
In WAR everything was intended to DESTROY to better claim the territory by annihilating another side completely, Aurangzeb ruled almost 50 years, He extended his empire in Muslim / Hindu states, He ruled biggest CHUNK of Indian Moghal Empire.
In a war if he ANNIHILATED hindu side then he also killed MUSLIMS...bcoz of his relentless 50 years Compaign that created enmity in Multi Ethnic / Multi Religious Society of India.....moreover he succeeded by killing his 3 own Brother....he did some mistakes like killing sikh leader ...Guru tegh bahadur & shevaji son sambhji / Imposition of religious TAX on Hindus
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND:
- He appointed Hindu Commander in chief of his Army
- Two Hindus held the highest position in the State Treasury

Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb: Bad Ruler or Bad History?
" During Aurangzeb's long reign of fifty years, many Hindus, notably Jaswant Singh, Raja Rajrup, Kabir Singh, Arghanath Singh, Prem Dev Singh, Dilip Roy, and Rasik Lal Crory, held very high administrative positions. Two of the highest ranked generals in Aurangzeb's administration, Jaswant Singh and Jaya Singh, were Hindus. Other notable Hindu generals who commanded a garrison of two to five thousand soldiers were Raja Vim Singh of Udaypur, Indra Singh, Achalaji and Arjuji. One wonders if Aurangzeb was hostile to Hindus, why would he position all these Hindus to high positions of authority, especially in the military, who could have mutinied against him and removed him from his throne?

 

[B+ Dracula]

Deindustrialisation of India by the British:
Britishers banned vast majority of Commodities from being produced in India, and their production was moved into British, thus reducing its share of world trade 25% in 1750 to 2% in 1900.

www.tcd.ie/Economics/staff/orourkek/.../JGWGEHNIndianDeind.pdf
by D Clingingsmith - ‎2005

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think because british in bengal province had dug ditch around kolkattaa for protection from maratha invaders...

Yes, right.

And why would such a powerful coloniser cower behind a ditch? Because of the power of the Marathas.

So what happened? Why did the Marathas move from keeping the British penned up in a self-made prison to deciding who the Peshwa would be?