Hijacking faith: How an extremist Deobandi ideology rules the Barelvi major

[muse]

Shia's have their own hadiths which are not accepted by sunni's and sunni hadith collection are not accepted by shia's. Which Imam should we follow sunni one or shia one's? Which qur'anic interpretation should i Follow, shia wali ya sunni waali?

Maybe we should not follow hadith at all - because clearly they are suspect - We have Quran and Mohammad, that more than plenty

 

[Fracker]

Any one killing other innocent human can't be a Muslim. Than whatever he call himself doesn't matter. Judgement on faith only stand with Allah. So just remain Muslim right or wrong will be decided on the day of judgement when deeds will be given on right or left hand. Concentrate more on your faith. Alone.

 

[Patriots]

Same thing basically


This sect took its inspiration from Saudi Hanbali theologians who immigrated there in the 18th century, to help their Indian Muslim brothers with Hanbali theological inspiration against the British colonialists. Propelled by oil-generated wealth, the Wahhabi worldview increasingly co-opted the Deobandi movement in South Asia. Deobandi Islam

Not same thing there are many differences between both of them ... Deobandis are blind followers of Imam Abu Hanifa ... If Barelvis give up grave worships then you cannot see any difference between them ... Whereas Ahle Hadith emphasize on such Islam which has been revealed on Rasoolullah (Sallalah O Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wa Sallam) and quote each n everything from Quran & Sunnah ... You can say that Hanbali are more close with Ahle Hadith in faith than other sects ... And Wahabi sect is not on the earth ... This name has been given by rivals especially Shias & Barelvis ...............

 

[Patriots]

And that's the pathetic attitude of Shia's which refuses to change themselves and causes disunity in muslim Ummah. First they introduced sect in Islam 1300 years ago and now they blame others for creating sects in Islam. Rest of your post is sheer frustration which is coming out slowly.

And your prestigious thoughts about saudi heaven letters, you do know, due to phathetic shia traditions and lack of knowledge and unity among us , how much animoisty is their between us and you people and that animoisty I ended that day, that who ever corrupts deen, must be handled by Allah himself, we are not thaykaydar of deen

and food of thought for shia's


Scholars believed to have learned extensively from Imam Ja'far Al-Sadiq (Rematullah):

Jābir ibn Hayyān – known in Europe as Geber, a great alchemist.[15]
Musa al-Kadhim – his son, the seventh Shi’ah Imam according to the Twelvers
Isma'il ibn Jafar – his son, the sixth Ismaili Imam according to the Ismailis.
Ali al-Uraidhi ibn Ja'far al-Sadiq- his youngest son.
Mufadhal ibn Amr- his Gate keeper and a prominent student.
Abū Ḥanīfa - founder of Hanafi school of thought.
Malik ibn Anas – founder of the Maliki school of thought.
Wasil ibn Ata – founder of the Mu'tazili school of thought.


There were no concept of Shiaism back in Ummayad or Abbasid era, Ahlul bayt were reverd by common people all over islamic kingdoms and were hated by rulers back then. (except umer bin Abdul aziz ( rehmatullah) ). Those Ahlul Bayt were source of knowledge back then and many sunni Imama actually gained knowledge from them...

Somehow like Abdul wahab made infamouse wahabi,,, someone made shiaism which corrupted the whole Deen!

Shiaism was created Abdullah bin Saba ... But Shiekh Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab never created any sect he just told to people that Allah has just sent to prophet to telling people about Tawheed ... Please his book Kitab-ul-Tawheed ... And he recognized Shiekh Imam ibn Taymia ..........

 

[Zarvan]

Don't answer the question i never asked.

Who martyred the prophet's grand son and his family?



Pardon my french but cut the crap stop trolling.

Yes it was yazeed soldiers but what their are some question on why Imam Hussain went their and what resulted after Sir

 

[Cheetah786]

Yes it was yazeed soldiers but what their are some question on why Imam Hussein went their and what resulted after Sir

Thank you

Imam Hussein was the Grand son of Prophet of Islam (Bibi Fatimah(a.s.) (daughter of the Holy prophet)not companion so people question his grandson and while kill for his companions.

 

[SBD-3]

Not same thing there are many differences between both of them ... Deobandis are blind followers of Imam Abu Hanifa ... If Barelvis give up grave worships then you cannot see any difference between them ... Whereas Ahle Hadith emphasize on such Islam which has been revealed on Rasoolullah (Sallalah O Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wa Sallam) and quote each n everything from Quran & Sunnah ... You can say that Hanbali are more close with Ahle Hadith in faith than other sects ... And Wahabi sect is not on the earth ... This name has been given by rivals especially Shias & Barelvis ...............

Ahle-e-Hadith (Salafis in orignal) are the followers of Abdul Wahab Najadi. Whats more interesting is that the father and brother of Abdul Wahab Najadi (Shaikh Suleman and I forgot the other name) were traditional sunnis and remained so til their last. Moreover, most of us wouldn't know that Abdul Wahab Najadi was not a direct decedent from his spiritual leader Ibn-e-Taimia.
It was a subcontinental personality by the name of Muhammad Hayat Sindhi who met him in Madina and subsequently introduced him to the teachings of Ibn-e-Taimia.

 

[Patriots]

Ahle-e-Hadith (Salafis in orignal) are the followers of Abdul Wahab Najadi. Whats more interesting is that the father and brother of Abdul Wahab Najadi (Shaikh Suleman and I forgot the other name) were traditional sunnis and remained so til their last. Moreover, most of us wouldn't know that Abdul Wahab Najadi was not a direct decedent from his spiritual leader Ibn-e-Taimia.
It was a subcontinental personality by the name of Muhammad Hayat Sindhi who met him in Madina and subsequently introduced him to the teachings of Ibn-e-Taimia.

What do you want to say..??? Please elaborate in clear words ... Can you tell me who is Sheikh Abdul Wahab..??

 

[Sedqal]

17 pages of debate on a factually incorrect article? You lot surely have lots of time on your hands

 

[SBD-3]

What do you want to say..??? Please elaborate in clear words ... Can you tell me who is Sheikh Abdul Wahab..??

What I wanted to say that while Shaikh Ibn-e-Taimia was the fountainhead of Salafi beliefs but Shaikh Abdul Wahab was the main propagator and crucial political support was provided by Al-Saud.

 

[Patriots]

What I wanted to say that while Shaikh Ibn-e-Taimia was the fountainhead of Salafi beliefs but Shaikh Abdul Wahab was the main propagator and crucial political support was provided by Al-Saud.

Do you mean Shaikh Muhammad was the main propagator ... May ask you some questions:

1) Were Ibn-e-Taimia's beliefs contradicted with Quran & Sunnah ??
2) Did Shiekh Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab call to people towards pure Tawheed ???
3) Didn't Sheikh Muhammad stop people to making innovations in religion ???
4) If he stopped to them then was it bad thing ??
5) Had Sheikh Muhammad provided political support to Al Saud or had he gotten moral support from Al Saud ????

 

[SBD-3]

Do you mean Shaikh Muhammad was the main propagator ... May ask you some questions:
1) Were Ibn-e-Taimia's beliefs contradicted with Quran & Sunnah ??

Its more about interpretation. Even the kharijits were more strict followers of Quran and Hadith, yet Harzat Ali (Karam Allahul Wajhul Karim) announced Jihad with them.

2) Did Shiekh Muhammad bin Abdul Wahab call to people towards pure Tawheed ???

Then again, difference of precipitation about Tauheed. Tauheed is Tauheed. There is no pure Tauheed.

3) Didn't Sheikh Muhammad stop people to making innovations in religion ???

Difference of interpretation again. For example, despite being severely condemned in Hadith, we all carry photograhps on our ID cards, Licenses, Passports. Isn't that an invention too?

4) If he stopped to them then was it bad thing ??

But excluding people from Islam is a bad thing. He excluded those from Islam who didn't agree with him and made their belongings mubah for the sword of Al-Saud. That is where the difference lies. You can preach all you want, but don't become the godfather of Islam by clinching the right of deciding who is a Muslim or who is not just because of auxiliary beliefs.

5) Had Sheikh Muhammad provided political support to Al Saud or had he gotten moral support from Al Saud ????

He got both, The famous history of Al-Saud against Turks has deep roots in Wahabi-Sunni Dispute.

 

[takeiteasy]

Darul Uloom Deoband that is followed by Sipah Sahaba, Taliban, Ahl-e-Hadees and other ****** groups.

These are some random photos I found mostly from1952 loksabha elections in India.
This burqha looks familiar? this is the same used in Afghanistan?(Shuttlecock burqha). Deobandis:
First Lok Sabha General Election Scenes - Delhi, January 1952 - Part 1 - Old Indian Photos
scene from first loksabha election:

Muslim Pardahnishin women voters wait in a queue for their turn to cast their votes at a polling booth near Jama Masjid.

First Lok Sabha General Election Scenes - Delhi, January 1952 - Part 1 - Old Indian Photos

 

[Pakistani E]

PDF members discussing religion when it suits them with no mod stick waving? stay classy PDF.

 

[KingMamba]

Not same thing there are many differences between both of them ... Deobandis are blind followers of Imam Abu Hanifa ... If Barelvis give up grave worships then you cannot see any difference between them ... Whereas Ahle Hadith emphasize on such Islam which has been revealed on Rasoolullah (Sallalah O Alaihe Wa Alaihi Wa Sallam) and quote each n everything from Quran & Sunnah ... You can say that Hanbali are more close with Ahle Hadith in faith than other sects ... And Wahabi sect is not on the earth ... This name has been given by rivals especially Shias & Barelvis ...............

LOL wahabi sect does exist you can put your head in the sand but the majority of Muslims all over the world know what it is when they see it.

Secondly most Barelvi do not do "grave worship" the founder of the Barelvi movement Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi was pretty clear when he said he said he was against such things and he didn't even want women visiting graves. Secondly those people who do go visit grave of their ancestors or saints how about you listen to what they are doing when they are there no worship is going on at all saying surah fatiha over a grave is not worship. There is even a dua from Surat al Hashr which is directly said for the sake of the dead. So spare us the BS.