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Hi Guys, I recently came upon the below article. It is somewhat old; dated as 09.09.2016. Not sure if it has been on PDF before. It is very interesting as it an analysis from retired Russian generals that obviously have some proper intel on the intervention in Syria. Usually reports of the SAA have been positive but this is rather scathing.

Obviously the Russians and SAA have been successful and is winning therefore the opinions of the writer are a bit off.

Overall this article is very relevant today as it gives detail analysis on the state of the SAA and there ability, as well as what we may expect as the Russian forces reduce to more of a minor role in the conflict, leaving the SAA to take more of a lead.


Russia should consider gradual withdrawal from the conflict, according to a Russian military expert.


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A Syrian army soldier atop Fahr-al-Din castle, photo by Valery Sharifullin/TASS

The following is a translation of a scathing article on the state of the Syrian Arab Army that appeared in an online outlet Gazeta.ru, which is Kremlin-controlled but sometimes critical of the Russian authorities online. The author is a retired Russian officer with 8 years of experience working in the General Staff and 5 years as an editor of an established military magazine. The article, originally titled "It would be easier to disband the Syrian army and recruit a new one", mirrors the emerging Syria fatigue sentiments in the Russian military circles and reportedly was confirmed by a serving Russian colonel, who added "Everything is like it’s written but worse". The expert notably omits mentioning regime war crimes even when describing the use of barrel bombs. Throughout the text, he calls Syrian rebels "militants" and "illegal armed groups" — terms widely used by Russian military and media to describe Chechen fighters during the wars. This anti-rebel stance perhaps lends even more credibility to the author’s assessment of their capabilities versus those of the SAA.

While militias, Iranian volunteers, Hezbollah and PMCs fight in lieu of the Syrian army, Bashar Assad’s soldier busy themselves with collecting bribes at checkpoints. This view becomes more and more widespread among military experts aware of the actual situation in Syria. The country’s air force is worn down and uses home-made bombs, the soldiers dig moats to protect from terrorists’ tunnels, while the militants enjoy tactical and moral superiority, says Mikhail Khodarenok, Gazeta.ru’s military observer.

The pro-government forces are likely to capture the city of Aleppo soon. However, it remains doubtful if this will bring the end of the Syrian war closer. In Middle Eastern wars, there is no single building to plant a flag on that would make the enemy surrender unconditionally.

Indeed, it is quite hard to say which side is currently winning the military conflict. Bashar al-Assad, the president of the Syrian Arab Republic, still does not control about half the country’s territory and a majority of towns and villages.

The results of the fighting in Syria so far have been disastrous. The total number of Syrians killed has grown to 250-300 thousand (giving a more precise number is impossible), while about a million people have been wounded. Syrians of all ethnic and religious denominations have grown weary of the civil war that has dragged on for over five years.

Always defeated
The actual fighting against opposition groups is mostly done by Syrian militias, the Lebanese Hezbollah Shia units, Iranian and Iraqi volunteers and Private Military Companies (PMCs).

The main military actions Assad’s army engages in is extorting a tribute from the locals. The Syrian armed forces have not conducted a single successful offensive during the past year.

Apparently Syria’s General Staff has no coherent short-term or mid-term strategic plans. Assad’s generals do not believe their troops can bring the country to order without military aid from foreign states. They do not plan large-scale operations, giving the reasoning of ostensibly high combat capabilities of the illegal armed groups, lack of ammunition and modern equipment, a fear of heavy losses and a negative outcome of the fighting.

The Syrian army’s junior officers, NCOs and privates have little enthusiasm to charge and fight for their motherland. The general morale deterioration is exacerbated by the fact that the history of the modern Syrian army has known no military victories.

Assad’s army bears the brand of constant defeats and humiliations since the first Arab-Israeli wars of 1947-1948.

The Syrian army fighters see no close end to the crisis. There are no set dates of ending military service. The achievements of soldiers and officers are not encouraged or awarded. The materiel and food supplies are inadequate. There are no benefits for soldiers or their families.

Most importantly, even if the Syrian leadership wished to solve these problems, they couldn’t raise the funds to do so. Assad’s government currently has no stable income sources. Years of fighting have severely disrupted the country’s economy. Industrial production has fallen by 70%, agriculture — by 60%, oil production — by 95% and natural production — by 70%. The Syrian treasury has no money even for immediate defense expenditures.

This situation is further exacerbated by the Syrian army being severely understaffed and underequipped. Currently, the staffing and equipment levels stand a bit over 50% of the required figures. The yearly draft does not satisfy even the minimal needs of the army. Due to this, since 2011 sergeants and privates who have served their terms have not been discharged.

The draft fails due to a number of reasons. Some potential conscripts support the anti-government forces and actively dodge the draft. Others have joined the illegal armed groups. Still others have adopted a wait-and-see attitude, preferring not to fight for any of the sides. Many potential recruits have become refugees outside Syria, some of them in Europe. A large part of the population lives on territories outside the government troops’ control. Finally, recruits and their families fear reprisals from the militants.

The majority of Syrian army units are based at fortified checkpoints. There are in total about 2 thousand such checkpoints throughout Syria. Thus, over a half of the army operates with no connection to their units.

Sitting inside those fortified checkpoints, the Syrian regulars are mostly doing defensive duties and extorting money from the locals. They do not conduct any major operations to liberate population or administration centers.

Such pillars of any military as "A superior’s order is the law for his subordinate" and "An order is to be performed at all costs, precisely, timely and with no objections", are at best limitedly enforced in the Syrian army.

"Barrel" bombs
It is hard to find anything worthy of studying or imitation from the Syrian army’s military practice.

The only worthy examples are of the "How not to wage war" variety.

The Air Force deserves a special mention. The Syrian Arab Air Force conducts a significant number of sorties daily (reaching 100 in certain days in 2015), over 85% of which are bombing runs. The Air Force’s contribution to the overall fire damage is about 70%. The airstrikes are conducted by several dozen fighter/bomber jets and around 40 army aviation helicopters.

The SyAAF’s main modus operandi is solitary sorties. Flights in pairs and larger units are not done in order to save resources. In order to decrease losses, the bombing runs are done at heights of 3 thousand meters and above. In extreme cases, dive bombing is used.

Due to the lack of air ordnance, the Syrian army has until recently used even sea mines, torpedoes and depth charges for ground attacks. The so-called "barrel bombs" are also widely used. Over 10,000 of the latter have been dropped on the enemy.

A "barrel bomb" is a type of home-made air ordnance weighting 200 to 1000 kg. It is a section of a wide oil pipeline welded shut with metal plates from both sides and stuffed with a high amount of explosives. A "barrel bomb" is highly explosive and is used to destroy buildings and attack large gatherings of the militants.

There is no pilot training to replenish the combat losses (training in Russia has been discontinued). The aircraft are not being repaired (the only aircraft repair plant is inside the Aleppo warzone).

Various estimates put the air force’s losses since the start of the conflict (April 2011) at about 200 planes and over 150 pilots.

The tunnel war
Tunnel and anti-tunnel tactics have seen widespread use during the Syria war. Tunnels are used to blow up multi-storey buildings used as command posts or ammunition and materiel depots. Drilling machines can dig tunnels at a speed of 3-4m/day while improvised machinery can do 1-2m/day.

Underground tunnels and passages have been gun in Syria since the times of the Roman Empire and the founding of the first cities, such as Palmyra (Tadmor), Damascus, Raqqa and Homs. The local soil encourages this. Being rather soft and clayey, the soil does not slough, which is why both sides of the conflict toil endlessly to dig underground passages of all kinds and purposes.

Militants dig tunnels or use a wide network of old ones to achieve surprise during attacks on military facilities and government troops. Despite a severe underground threat, the Syrian army has a rather negligent attitude to this. There is almost no information on caves or underground communications in towns or militant-controlled territories adjacent to them.

However, various anti-tunnel techniques are used to protect government troops and important facilities, such as using georadars (anomaly detectors), building counter-tunnels, digging shafts and building anti-tunnel moats.

The main technique government troops employs against enemy tunnels is drilling shafts.

Using dedicated drilling vehicles, holes up to 15 m deep are dug around important facilities at a distance up to 15 m. Then plastic tubes are inserted into the shafts and filled with sand. The fighters of the unit defending the facility monitor sand level in the tubes. Sagging sand indicates ongoing digging.

Another technique to counter enemy "diggers" is anti-tunnel mines — using excavators to extract soil up to 12 meters deep around military positions and important facilities. The time required to build a moat like that depends on the specifications of excavators involved and the heaviness of soil.

Militants’ morale and tactical advantage
Among the leadership of terrorists and armed Syrian opposition groups there are many former Iraqi officers who used to serve under Saddam Hussein.

They have amassed huge experience during the Iran-Iraq war and the two Gulf wars. The Free Syrian Army (FSA) higher officers are former General Staff leaders, brigade and division generals and colonels, while the rebel units are mostly staffed with deserters from Assad’s army.

The militants are highly mobile and capable of rapidly creating assault groups at critical points of the frontline. They have good knowledge of the area (70% of the illegal armed groups’ fighters are Syrian nationals) and command significant financial and human resources.

In the absence of a precise front line, the armed opposition groups engage in active focal fighting. Most of their efforts are applied to holding commanding heights and towns prepared for a perimeter defense. This enables fire control of government troops’ movement lines.

The high survivability of the militants during stationary fighting in fortified areas is ensured by using shelters prepared in advance. Those shelters often hide their actual location, numbers and composition.

The militants place observation points close to the contact line for advance detection of the government troops’ assault groupings. A post is manned by 2-3 people with means of observation, communication and transportation. The militants srtive to maintain control over areas by conducting local counterattacks, sabotage in the rear (including suicide attacks), constantly work to seize initiative from the government troops.

As a rule, counterattacks are performed by small groups of 10-15 militants in 3-4 cars with mounted heavy machine guns and 82mm mortars, supported by multi-launching rocket systems. One to five such groups may take part in an attack.

The purpose of the counterattacks is regaining initiative with the aim to reestablish control over the lost position an the territory in general.

When under attack from Russian forces, the armed groups leave their positions and towns, maintaining small groups of observers.

The militants’ units that have sustained significant damage are redeployed to Turkey or to areas under active ceasefire to restore capabilities, reinforce and resupply.

The morale and combat capabilities of the militants are highly above those of the SAA soldiers.

The illegal armed groups have integrated guerrilla and terrorist techniques into their tactics, combining them with conventional warfare methods utilized by regular troops. Their tactics continue to adapt based on the enemy’s behavior.

The command system the illegal armed groups have created enables prompt and rather efficient reactive measures towards changing conditions. The militants’ success is made easier by the openness of Syria’s borders (the government only controls the Syria-Lebanon border and a 50 km stretch of the Syria-Jordan border.

Time to go home
At the start of the civil war, the government troops enjoyed a quantitative advantage in everything, especially aviation, tanks and artillery. Assad could reasonably hope for a swift success in fighting irregular armed groups of the rebels.

However, the Syrian Civil War and the fight against islamists have once again confirmed that a numeric and technical advantage is not enough to achieve victory. Even good theoretical knowledge of the leadership does not play a decisive role.

In order to win a military conflict, just like in old times, one needs a strong spirit, an unyielding will for victory, trust in oneself and one’s troops, decisiveness, bravery, inventiveness, flexibility and an ability to lead others. All this lacks severely in Assad’s army.

It is unclear what should be done to the half-rotten structure of the Syrian army. No amount of repressions, be it shootings, penal battalions or retreat-blocking detachments, can’t make it fight. There are no examples of this in military history.

Strict disciplinary measures may establish order in shaky units and detachments which fell under a spell of panic on the battlefield.

Arms could be used to neutralize the panic and flight instigators, shoot deserters, self-injurers, traitors and defeatists. But no war has ever been won with military tribunals and death sentences.

If the soldiers have no higher goal to protect their motherland, aren’t ready to sacrifice themselves, defend every position to the last drop of blood and look into the face of death while rushing in an attack, no amount of penal companies or retreat-blocking detachments can save such an army.

One the one hand, it would seam easy to completely demobilize (in other words, completely disband) the Syrian army and recruit a new one. In other words, restart the process of building up the country’s military.

On the other hand, the main problem is that new men are nowhere to be found in modern Syria. Any newly created army will naturally inherit all the malaises of the old SAA. There also is no definitive answer to a substantial question: who’s gonna pay for that?

It is impossible to win the war with such an ally as Assad’s army.

The militias can’t be fully relied on either. Hezbollah and the Iranians have their own interests.

This is why apparently the Russian military and political leadership shall have to take a drastic decision: end the Syria campaign before the end of 2016, withdrawing all troops and leaving only the military bases.

It is impossible to restore the constitutional order to Syria by solely military means without serious diplomatic, political, economic and propaganda efforts, as well as significant support of the ruined country by foreign states.

Mikhail Khodarenok is Gazeta.ru’s military observer, a retired colonel.
Graduated from Minks’s Higher Engineer Air Defense College in 1976, from the Air Defense Command Academy in 1986.
Commanded an anti-air missile battalion of S-75s in 1980-1983.
Was deputy commander of an anti-air missile regiment in 1986-1992.
Was a senior officer in the Air Defense HQ in 1988-1992.
Served in the Main Operative Directorate of the General Staff in 1992-2000.
Graduated from the General Staff Military Academy in 1998.
Worked as an observer in Nezavisimaya Gazeta in 2000-2003 and as editor-in-chief of "Military-Industrial Courier" in 2010-2015.
 
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assad the butcher is going to win for very simple reasons, he has complete air support

the free syrian army has been bombed to hell thus they cannot win

what the arabs screw up was not to impose a no fly zones and doing nothing against ISIS, even having those advance gadgets they got scared by iran and russia whose economy is much smaller than GUlf with no money and even air force is smaller than combine gulf

mean while syrian army has unlimited shia man power from iran, afghanistan and poor paid pakistanis as well

i fell sorry for them, betrayed again by fellow arabs
 
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ISIS is in Afghanistan after defeat in Syria. FSA is a faction of AL-Qaida and YPG is fighting with Turkey. Iraqi and Irani militias are all over Syria. My question is that who will fight Assad?
 
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assad the butcher is going to win for very simple reasons, he has complete air support
I don't care about Assad but Syrians chose him to lead/help them against terrorist groups. Opposition has signed a peace treaty with government and those guys who participated in Geneva Peace Talks are only paid US-lackeys who are receiving money and equipment to massacre their own countrymen.

So called rebels are no different, they beheaded a 6 months kid not to mention. They lack least human beings, they were responsible for 4-5 million Syrian asylum seekers in EU and neighboring countries. They are responsible for massacred Syrians as well

what the arabs screw up was not to impose a no fly zones and doing nothing against ISIS, even having those advance gadgets that got scared by russia whose economy is much smaller than GUlf with no money and even air force is smaller than combine gulf
You are already talking about US-lackeys so just forget it man
mean while syrian army has unlimited shia man power from iran, afghanistan and poor paid pakistanis as well
PMU in Iraq and Hezbollah of Syria have thousands of Sunni fighters. You have mistaken poor Sunnis who are suffering from terrorism with those rebel terrorists. The volunteers and shrine defenders never got paid, it's a cheap propaganda that US main stream media was blabbering about. They forgot to say that CIA had paid and equipped all of those so called rebels.


Iran, Russia and Turkey for months tried to work with FSA but those stupids that were paid by Arab monarchs to fight SAA and Syrian people, preferred to side with US. Keep sectarianism away from Syrian war, Syria is a secular country. Shia or Sunni both are oppressed and have suffered a lot from your so called Arab leaders.
 
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I don't care about Assad but Syrians chose him to lead/help them against terrorist groups. Opposition has signed a peace treaty with government and those guys who participated in Geneva Peace Talks are only paid US-lackeys who are receiving money and equipment to massacre their own countrymen.

So called rebels are no different, they beheaded a 6 months kid not to mention. They lack least human beings, they were responsible for 4-5 million Syrian asylum seekers in EU and neighboring countries. They are responsible for massacred Syrians as well


You are already talking about US-lackeys so just forget it man

PMU in Iraq and Hezbollah of Syria have thousands of Sunni fighters. You have mistaken poor Sunnis who are suffering from terrorism with those rebel terrorists. The volunteers and shrine defenders never got paid, it's a cheap propaganda that US main stream media was blabbering about. They forgot to say that CIA had paid and equipped all of those so called rebels.


Iran, Russia and Turkey for months tried to work with FSA but those stupids that were paid by Arab monarchs to fight SAA and Syrian people, preferred to side with US. Keep sectarianism away from Syrian war, Syria is a secular country. Shia or Sunni both are oppressed and have suffered a lot from your so called Arab leaders.
yeah, one thing i know/learned, their cannot be any logical discussion with extremist be it a jewish extremist, a shia extremist or saudi/wahabi/sunni extremist

syria is ruled by a butcher, a dictator assad killed 100,000 and his father did the same, he is on his throne due to shia extremists
 
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yeah, one thing i know/learned, their cannot be any logical discussion with extremist be it a jewish extremist, a shia extremist or saudi/wahabi/sunni extremist

syria is ruled by a butcher, a dictator assad killed 100,000 and his father did the same, he is on his throne due to shia extremists
Spare Shias/Sunnis man!

Some are calling Assad defender of Sunnis/Shias/minorities some other call him butcher of civilians.

But In fact he and his father were the only Arab leaders along with Egyptian leader Nasser that fought Israelis till the end moments and never recognized Israel as a country. They were secular and from Ba'ath party, this party is nationalist and believe me they give a damn about any sect. If they were fighting against MB or other organizations, it was due to their close ties with Israelis.
 
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Spare Shias/Sunnis man!

Some are calling Assad defender of Sunnis/Shias/minorities some other call him butcher of civilians.

But In fact he and his father were the only Arab leaders along with Egyptian leader Nasser that fought Israelis till the end moments and never recognized Israel as a country. They were secular and from Ba'ath party, this party is nationalist and believe me they give a damn about any sect. If they were fighting against MB or other organizations, it was due to their close ties with Israelis.
no one is denying he fought israeili but that doesnt cover his atrocities in syria
same is true for saddam, he did good for his people too but also comitted atrocities, was anti israeil but does that make good?
 
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same is true for saddam, he did good for his people too but also comitted atrocities, was anti israeil but does that make good?
Indeed no

Actions speak louder than words. Saddam had a different story (his coup inside the party and CIA ties), but Assad whether a butcher or a savior, will stay and live in Syria. Syrian nation will decide for his fate, no one can save him if he was corrupt believe me. One day after ISIS and Nusra defeat, Iran and Russia will leave and Assad will stay with Syrian people. Future will tell us more :tup:
 
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no one is denying he fought israeili but that doesnt cover his atrocities in syria
same is true for saddam, he did good for his people too but also comitted atrocities, was anti israeil but does that make good?
Lets compare that scenario with Pakistan, Allah forbid had the situation in Pakistan gotten as worse as syria 5 yrs a go would u have advocated the state of Pakistan to bow down before ttp just because they hid in our cities among civilians??? The death of syrian civilians is on the head of the American imperialists and thier saudi dogs who went in to f up a perfectly stable country, not Assad just as the civilian deaths in Pakistan are on the heads of raw/cia and thier kharjis dogs ttp and bla.
 
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Lets compare that scenario with Pakistan, Allah forbid had the situation in Pakistan gotten as worse as syria 5 yrs a go would u have advocated the state of Pakistan to bow down before ttp just because they hid in our cities among civilians??? The death of syrian civilians is on the head of the American imperialists and thier saudi dogs who went in to f up a perfectly stable country, not Assad just as the civilian deaths in Pakistan are on the heads of raw/cia and thier kharjis dogs ttp and bla.
so how come free syrian army is equal to ISIS/TTP

so you think this is stability? really are you blind
https://humanpains.com/2015/02/07/syria-1982-hama-massacre-by-hafez-al-assad/

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well ok i agree to you , than cut off your relation with turkey, because they support FSA

i have to give it to iranian mullahs, they have brain washed majority of pakistanis good
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same Iranian mullah call saddam a brutal dictator but Assad different, how come they are different, they were even friends

just because saudis are wrong doesnt make assad right or iran right
 
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yeah, one thing i know/learned, their cannot be any logical discussion with extremist be it a jewish extremist, a shia extremist or saudi/wahabi/sunni extremist

syria is ruled by a butcher, a dictator assad killed 100,000 and his father did the same, he is on his throne due to shia extremists


answer of my simple question . who will be in power if Assad is removed ?!?




look at Libya now after Qadhafi . There are more then 100 presidents of Libya at this time.
 
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Only a lunatic can believe that 2 million Alawites will rule forever over 22 mln Syria. Iran and Russia can only prolong the agony of Alawite regime but nothing more. Bashar is the last Alawite president of Syria.
 
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answer of my simple question . who will be in power if Assad is removed ?!?




look at Libya now after Qadhafi . There are more then 100 presidents of Libya at this time.


This I definitely agree with. The only other way this could of gone would have been the FSA losing to ISIS thus creating an terrorist state the would of bounced into other neighbouring nations. Which is exactly what Israel, USA and UK would want.

Nothing apart from the preservation of Assad would of brought the Russians in thus countering the western intervention and therefore preventing an extremist state.
 
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It seems that Syrians (all moderate Muslims (sunnies and shias) and Christians and others) have absolutely no other choice and they are fully supporting Assad.

The opposition is divided into US backed FSA, al-Nusra, ISIS, nationalists, Ikhwanies, Salafi Jihadists ...

None of them have any chance against Assad in the Elections. And they could also not form an alliance due to the huge difference among them.

And all the Polls (even those conducted by the Arab and Western Countries) agree 100% that majority of the Syrians support Assad.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media

Suppose a respectable opinion poll found that most Syrians are in favour of Bashar al-Assad remaining as president, would that not be major news? Especially as the finding would go against the dominant narrative about the Syrian crisis, and the media considers the unexpected more newsworthy than the obvious.

Alas, not in every case. When coverage of an unfolding drama ceases to be fair and turns into a propaganda weapon, inconvenient facts get suppressed. So it is with the results of a recent YouGov Siraj poll on Syria commissioned by The Doha Debates, funded by the Qatar Foundation. Qatar's royal family has taken one of the most hawkish lines against Assad – the emir has just called for Arab troops to intervene – so it was good that The Doha Debates published the poll on its website. The pity is that it was ignored by almost all media outlets in every western country whose government has called for Assad to go.
The key finding was that while most Arabs outside
Syria feel the president should resign, attitudes in the country are different. Some 55% of Syrians want Assad to stay, motivated by fear of civil war – a spectre that is not theoretical as it is for those who live outside Syria's borders. What is less good news for the Assad regime is that the poll also found that half the Syrians who accept him staying in power believe he must usher in free elections in the near future. Assad claims he is about to do that, a point he has repeated in his latest speeches. But it is vital that he publishes the election law as soon as possible, permits political parties and makes a commitment to allow independent monitors to watch the poll.

Read complete article here
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda


Only a lunatic can believe that 2 million Alawites will rule forever over 22 mln Syria. Iran and Russia can only prolong the agony of Alawite regime but nothing more. Bashar is the last Alawite president of Syria.

Iran and Russia already told that they are ready for the Elections in Syria. It were only US and Saudia who are fearful of it and don't want to go to the polls without putting the condition that Assad will have no Role in the future of Syria.

This decision is 100% in the hands of Syrians if they want Assad or not, while US has no right for it.

It seems that through US/Saudi imposed war in Syria, the Syrian people are not supporting Assad much more than before. They want to get rid of the lunatics that US/Saudia supported for beheading and killing several thousand Syrians.

At the end, Israel and US will be loser. US was not even able to recruit 5000 Syrians for FSA. This shows who ever comes to the government, he will be against US and Israel (except for ISIS who have good relations with Israel, but they have no chance to come in the government now).
 
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ISIS is in Afghanistan after defeat in Syria. FSA is a faction of AL-Qaida and YPG is fighting with Turkey. Iraqi and Irani militias are all over Syria. My question is that who will fight Assad?
so basically you are white washing every one without facts

FSA is not alqeda , because they have liberals and communists too, which last i check are anything but alqeda, you think that pro nationalist and pro democratic peoples only exist in countries like pakistan.
only we have that right nobody else, we did the same with afghans and see how much they hate us(not they didnt before that, lol)

al qeda is nusra front which is also fighting Syrian army for same reason hez is fighting for assad

all shia including Iranian militia fights for assad for reason he is a shia minority ruling majority

YPG wants a combine country in syria, iraq and turkey so obviously turkey will fight them, they know if a govt is formed in iraq or syria it will ultimately take away 10% of turkey

al qeda wants to outpost a shia obviously

FSA is minority group and un organized and have little or no support, with no fighting experience, common people, will probably die out soon once they take more beating from assad


Indeed no

Actions speak louder than words. Saddam had a different story (his coup inside the party and CIA ties), but Assad whether a butcher or a savior, will stay and live in Syria. Syrian nation will decide for his fate, no one can save him if he was corrupt believe me. One day after ISIS and Nusra defeat, Iran and Russia will leave and Assad will stay with Syrian people. Future will tell us more :tup:
LOL, proves my previous saying that its useless to use logic with extremists

for Pakistanis, please stop idolizing dictators and brutal people, its against the spirit of what allama iqbal and quaid-i-azam wanted
 
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