Has the American establishment finally crossed the line with Pakistan ...

[Trango Towers]

We should be fully independent

Pakistan should be fully in china's camp, I hope the Government
and Army have learnt a lesson by siding with the Americans.

 

[Sabretooth]

Both Pakistan and the USA have had a backwards and forwards relationship, ever since Pakistan came into being as a country. Partnerships were formed, only for the USA to break them, time after time. USA was always given the benefit of the doubt when new partnerships were formed, but the trust level was notched down 1 level each time for Pakistans view of the USA.

Each time the USA took a step backwards with their relationship with the Pakistan it never took a decision to challenge the direct terroritorial integrity of Pakistan, or Kashmir or directly take a path that would lead to harm to the lives of Pakistani's or Kashmiris in Pakistan Kashmir.

Recently, with the American establishments encouragement and support to India, to invade Azad Kashmir, and Gilgit and Balistan as part of its China containment policy, one which will have the direct effect of putting millions of Kashmiri men, women and children under the control of the terrorist Indian Army, has the USA finally gone too far with Pakistan?

It is one thing to cut off funds, not pay your bills, sanction supplies and place both economic and military sanctions, but it is quite another to directly threaten the integrity of the country and create a situation where millions of muslims go under India occupation to achieve a 'strategic objective' on a chessboard with no regard to Pakistan, and its people.

There is no way India would be bold enough to try and occupy Azad Kashmir, and Gilgit and Balistan without direct support and encouragement from the USA...

Is there any turning back for USA and Pakistan relations now?

The question is what are we going to do about it? We have this misplaced fear of father Sam that none of us seems to get out of. Whenever there is a time to make a decision our first concern is "what will USA think/do".
The Constitution declares that sovereignty over Pakistan belongs to Almighty Allah alone but no one takes it seriously.

 

[newb3e]

Nonsense. The Americans have over the years saved the Pakistanis.

mitrrrunnn education sirf whatsapp ki aur history rss ki!

 

[PakistaniJunior]

If the Americans are thinking about deceiving us in the Kashmir Issue then screw them. The Kashmir Issue is the red line that no country should step over, no matter which country it is. If the Americans favor the Indians on this issue, then that blatantly tells us that they cannot be trusted and they do not care about our security and integrity. That is the ultimate way to lose our trust, not that we already trust the US all that very much considering what they've done to us in the past. But the Kashmir issue would really be the last straw.

 

[Imran Khan]

its first time in my life i can see pakistan is out of US influence . let US do whatever we must stick on our interests .

 

[Jackdaws]

mitrrrunnn education sirf whatsapp ki aur history rss ki!

"Mai anshwer no same too same".

 

[Jackdaws]

You hardly broke the defences in Dhaka and here you are talking about taking over West Pakistan. And yes the neutral sources said that Indian enjoyed overwhelming numerical superiority in Eastern Pakistan which was missing against West Pakistan.

Hardly broke? In a city you surrendered? Makes perfect sense.
Also read the link above.

 

[American Pakistani]

Kargil you said? Was it Atal Bihari Bajpayee who ran to US with his entire family?

No he was so scared to even leave his bedroom, forget about flying thousands of miles. The only thing he did was to moan and b1tch to international community and international community listened due to Bharti big market and to milk bharat mata. Since sharif had many friends in bhart he obeyed like American puppy and got his lifafa from America in return he ordered sacking of musharraf and withdrawl of Pakistani troops.

Basically a military victory converted into political blunder for the sake of money by Pakistani politicians.

 

[Vapnope]

Hardly broke? In a city you surrendered? Makes perfect sense.

Go ahead prove that it that you evicted Pakistani troops from Dhaka.

 

[muhammad504]

CPEC is the Chinese (Back door) lifeline Incase of US blockade Of the Chinese pacific coast.

US isn’t a fan of Indians, neither they support Indian claims on Kashmir. I don’t think US care about commercial use of CEPC either. US only worry is Closing the back door for the Chinese in case of Naval conflict and Indians comes in Handy for this job.

There is a reason why USSR is no more, they think too positive of US like you. US care about each bits and pieces of China.
1. Questioning One China: Begin of USSR repetition: last HK violence was 100% CIA sponsored.
2. Covid pressure story against China is 100% US manufacturing.
3. Business Penalization: From Huawei to every other tiny bits Chinese company is being ruined by CIA/USA/West. day by day Entire west is ditching Huawei just because USA is putting pressure.
4. Quad: Forcing the Australian to go against their business partner ( China) was all done by CIA.
5. Funding and putting expensive defense all around the China ( F35, taiwan air defense etc.) is nothing but encircle China
6. Allowing only sanction relaxation to against IRAN that to India ( Chabar port), 100% focused on CPEC and done by US only no one else.
7. Giving Free access to India for latest defense state of art tech is all about China.
8. If US is not India Fan, they why they allowed S400 and Chabar port ??????
9. S400 purchase was big surprise to me, they even threaten their Nato allies for S400 purchase, but allows Indian to go ahead.

I think Indian and American are in love for next 10 years.

American live to encircle China until they divide it like USSR.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Nonsense. The Americans have over the years saved the Pakistanis.

They've saved few Pakistani's over the year and Pakistan once in a while. Mostly corrupt and traitors of Pakistani people were saved.
America.
I just have few questions
1. Is American establishment stupid that they think that India can win a conflict against Pakistan let alone China?
2. If they know that India can't win then why push an ally to danger? Answer to that is maybe US have big plans for future kingdoms in India. Everyone thinking its China next thing you know the real target was India. We saw that with wot. Target was Sadam attack was towards Afghanistan.
Afghanistan is what it was in 2001
Iraq, Syria,Iibya are nowhere close to what they were in 2001. So let's analyze it carefully beforing getting into our psychological habit of blaming America for everything
We Pakistani don't put right value for ourselves example
Manekshaw said in an interview that IA was shocked they never thought that Pakistan army in Dahka would surrender that quickly. And they were amazed even though PA fought bravely but surrender came from leadership.
We usually blame US for not coming to our aid when our leadership capitulated.
2nd example 9/11/2001
Americans to this day say that they expected Musharaff to agree to only 2 or 3 demands of what US wanted out all demands. But our leadership capitulated and Musharaff gave into all demands and gave whole country to US
Now is that US at fault or our decision making.
Let me also tell something to our Pakistani brothers its not Pakistan its China which holds relationship with Pakistan out of respect for what Pakistan did for China but we Pakistani think we are something special and somehow we showed the Chinese the way.
Look at our current leadership look at crisis in US
And over here our PM is stuck on tiger force like a kid when there is bigger game to be played.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Is it even possible for India to invade Pak? Indians will be very worried of the mass retaliation. Any misadventure NO Indian solider should be spared.

 

[IceCold]

Kargil you said? Was it Atal Bihari Bajpayee who ran to US with his entire family?

Yes please remind the readers what an asshole Nawaz was.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It’s an era of the negative outcome of the US policy stances!!! Coronavirus, economy, riots/looting, containing China etc...

The more the US tries to contain China, the more China gets aggressive....

As for Pak, the following may be suggested:

• Fix your economy, finances
• Eliminate the domestic traitors and terrorists as much as possible
• Consolidate your gains in Afganistan and expand it further
• Be mindful of Iran/UAE etc.
• As for India, don’t disturb the enemy when she is sinking in the hell hole. If possible, further her deterioration. India has been Pak’s problem. Now, she has managed to be China’s problem too. Welcome the relief
• As for the USA, Pak needs no expert advice for she has managed the US “machines” quite well so far! The Pak strategists have decoded the US methods, which usually don’t change for they were forged by the earlier clever and creative folks and the present dumb folks just follow it! Otherwise, no nukes, no wins in Afganistan, no marginalizing India, no not becoming like Irak/Syria/Libya etc...

 

[Armchair]

A very good and pertinent piece of analysis. Not sure the sold out liberals will ever hear reason though.