Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions

[syed_yusuf]

Do you know the differences between Type 052 DDG and Type 052C/D DDG?

Type 052 DDG(about 4200 tons)
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Type 052D DDG(about 7000 tons)
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exactly - why to use the same number when they are totally different and of they are same then PN is dot on to use type54p as f-22 batch II

 

[Super Falcon]

should have ordered four of these and 4 U 214 would have balanced the technological capabilities of subs

 

[syed_yusuf]

should have ordered four of these and 4 U 214 would have balanced the technological capabilities of subs

so you are saying that these subs are technologically inferior to U214? and if so Why?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

should have ordered four of these and 4 U 214 would have balanced the technological capabilities of subs

Pak can participate in Turkey's MILDEN (Milli Denizalti - National Submarine) project!!! Due to the local manufacturing of the German boats (Reis class), their influence can't be ruled out.,...

 

[syed_yusuf]

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so which one is PN going for is it a version of 39B?

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The places from which changes are made.


There are no vertical launch tubes.

Can you please enlighten us on the changes made number wise from Type 39 to Type 39B. That would greatly help the members here appreciate the extent of evolution of the 39 Platform.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Type-039B Submarine

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Hope to see these defender subs soon in PAK Navy.

 

[dBSPL]

Pak can participate in Turkey's MILDEN (Milli Denizalti - National Submarine) project!!! Due to the local manufacturing of the German boats (Reis class), their influence can't be ruled out.,...

MILDEN is not yet mature enough. Also in parallel, a different and not tried yet propulsion system is being worked on. The 1st MILDEN submarine may have a range of 2027-2028, perhaps even 2030.

I don't think the Pakistan Navy has a choice that will wait so long. China offers a package that has already been tested and solved all engineering issues. However, there is a possibility of association with mini-platforms such as SDV or unmanned systems. We'll wait and see.

 

[Ali_Baba]

@Goku-kun here it is

As impressive as those Subs may look, at $5billion for the programme, they are simply too too expensive relative to what we are getting. 8 Subs for $5billion is $625 per sub. Expensive for a chinese sub even when you factor in possible "custom changes" and "Transfer of Tech" and "new infrastructure" to build the subs locally.

 

[LKJ86]

As impressive as those Subs may look, at $5billion for the programme, they are simply too too expensive relative to what we are getting. 8 Subs for $5billion is $625 per sub. Expensive for a chinese sub even when you factor in possible "custom changes" and "Transfer of Tech" and "new infrastructure" to build the subs locally.

Why do think that China's weapons are always low-cost?

And VT-4 is more expensive than T-90S.

 

[syed_yusuf]

As impressive as those Subs may look, at $5billion for the programme, they are simply too too expensive relative to what we are getting. 8 Subs for $5billion is $625 per sub. Expensive for a chinese sub even when you factor in possible "custom changes" and "Transfer of Tech" and "new infrastructure" to build the subs locally.

5 billion USD not only includes subs but frigates and other patrol ships pmsa, survey ships and other items. Beside these subs are customized for PN. and do TOT for subs and other platform. Hangoor class short of nuclear engine is one of its kind. It will keep enemy at Bay in high seas fir next 20 + years

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

As impressive as those Subs may look, at $5billion for the programme, they are simply too too expensive relative to what we are getting. 8 Subs for $5billion is $625 per sub. Expensive for a chinese sub even when you factor in possible "custom changes" and "Transfer of Tech" and "new infrastructure" to build the subs locally.

I don't think the submarines cost $4-5 bn. That price came from the Financial Times via sources, but hasn't been corroborated. Plus, as mentioned above, it could also be a package including frigates and patrol boats.

 

[aziqbal]

Currently Pakistan cannot conduct continuous at sea deterrence

Especially if we get submarines carrying nuclear capable cruise missiles

Our missions will be hunter killer and also sea deterenace

Add to that usual duties

Our 8 units from China should therefore be mixed between hunter killer and at sea deterrnace

 

[The Eagle]