Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions

[monitor]

bigger than agosta 90b..pretty much what we expected

No major improvement it's almost same as Pakistani version agusta 90B .

• 2,050 long tons (2,083 t) submerged (Pakistan)

Length:

• 67 m (219 ft 10 in) (France, Spain)
• 76 m (249 ft 4 in) (Pakistan)

Beam: 6 m (19 ft 8 in)
Speed:

• 12 knots (22 km/h; 14 mph) surfaced

 

[ziaulislam]

No major improvement it's almost same as Pakistani version agusta 90B .

• 2,050 long tons (2,083 t) submerged (Pakistan)

Length:

• 67 m (219 ft 10 in) (France, Spain)
• 76 m (249 ft 4 in) (Pakistan)

Beam: 6 m (19 ft 8 in)
Speed:

• 12 knots (22 km/h; 14 mph) surfaced

2800 tones is 40% larger than 2000 tones..Pakistan wanted an agosta sized but modern sub

internals will be generation ahead of anything agosta has..it will also feature the nuclear babur as the third arm of nuc deterance..

 

[khanasifm]

No major improvement it's almost same as Pakistani version agusta 90B .

• 2,050 long tons (2,083 t) submerged (Pakistan)

Length:

• 67 m (219 ft 10 in) (France, Spain)
• 76 m (249 ft 4 in) (Pakistan)

Beam: 6 m (19 ft 8 in)
Speed:

• 12 knots (22 km/h; 14 mph) surfaced

2800tons vs ~2000 tons and 4 torpedo tubes vs 6 is a big difference plus sub launch cruise missile with range ~300 km is big jump

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

2800tons vs ~2000 tons and 4 torpedo tubes vs 6 is a big difference plus sub launch cruise missile with range ~300 km is big jump

As military chief, you should make the best choice in the limited resources, and should not be blindly complaining this and that!
f you have a $100 billion military budget, you can buy F35 as long as the Americans are willing to sell.

Today's "Made in China" is no longer "Made in China" 20 years ago. As long as you can afford it, you can get the highest quality "Made in China" in the world!
Why do you think that after buying 49 VT-4 tanks, Thailand is shocked by the quality of China and wants to order an additional 101 units, even though the VT-4 tank is priced at $5.8 million？！

2）Why:
Iraq continues to order additional Chinese Rainbow CH drones and drone ammunition;
Saudi Arabia buys 300 Chinese CH drones and purchases production lines;
Egypt orders additional Chinese pterosaur Wing Loong drones? !

Not to mention that Myanmar, Nigeria and Iran have already purchased / or intend to purchase the JF17/FC1 fighter jet jointly developed by China and Pakistan!

Look at China's mobile phone Huawei Mate 20 Pro to know: China's manufacturing is moving to the highest level in the world!

If you still feel that the quality of "Made in China" is not good, then I can only say that the only reason is because you are poor or not that rich.

 

[BHarwana]

As military chief, you should make the best choice in the limited resources, and should not be blindly complaining this and that!
f you have a $100 billion military budget, you can buy F35 as long as the Americans are willing to sell.

Today's "Made in China" is no longer "Made in China" 20 years ago. As long as you can afford it, you can get the highest quality "Made in China" in the world!
Why do you think that after buying 49 VT-4 tanks, Thailand is shocked by the quality of China and wants to order an additional 101 units, even though the VT-4 tank is priced at $5.8 million？！

It is not about money when you are buying a sub marine. Pakistan is buying 8 submarines which are diesel electric so it definitely can afford 4 nuclear subs.
What fan boys don't hear understand is diesel electric are more silent than nuclear one and have better rate of infiltration for a strike. Regarding refueling nuclear subs don't need refueling but they need food so they also have to surface.

Moving on to how good are these subs. The function of a submarine is not only to be a nuclear deterrent but there are many other roles like anti-surface ship operation. Hunter killer operations surveillance and so on. We have no details of internal functions of these subs.

The quality of a sub is not dependent on its size but how silent it is.

 

[Beast]

Regarding refueling nuclear subs don't need refueling but they need food so they also have to surface.

Same as missile and torpedo that need re-ammo once all fired up for SSN. They still need to surface and restock.

 

[BHarwana]

Same as missile and torpedo that need re-ammo once all fired up for SSN. They still need to surface and restock.

Yes so buying nuclear submarines is pointless at max 2 nuclear sub are enough for one country for deterrence rest you need diesel electric for most of missions.

For example f we want to destroy Visakhapatnam with a sub what will you chose? Obviously a diesel electric because it is a pain in @ss to detect and it can go in execute and exit and has enough endurance. If you want to destroy a naval battle group again you will need diesel electric subs. Nuclear powered just sit in ocean dull to only perform territorial strikes they are huge and difficult to maneuver and slow.

 

[Beast]

Yes so buying nuclear submarines is pointless at max 2 nuclear sub are enough for one country for deterrence rest you need diesel electric for most of missions.

For example f we want to destroy Visakhapatnam with a sub what will you chose? Obviously a diesel electric because it is a pain in @ss to detect and it can go in execute and exit and has enough endurance. If you want to destroy a naval battle group again you will need diesel electric subs. Nuclear powered just sit in ocean dull to only perform territorial strikes they are huge and difficult to maneuver and slow.

These applies to aircraft carrier or warship too... Nuclear reactor is nice, no need refuel but carrier has planes that need fuel to run and ammo to used. Sailors need food to eat. Once all those used up, you need to replenish. It is average, every 30 days will need these kind of replenishment. It the war is intense and you used up your ammo fast, will need replenishment for ammo every week.

 

[BHarwana]

These applies to aircraft carrier or warship too... Nuclear reactor is nice, no need refuel but carrier has planes that need fuel to run and ammo to used. Sailors need food to eat. Once all those used up, you need to replenish. It is average, every 30 days will need these kind of replenishment. It the war is intense and you used up your ammo fast, will need replenishment for ammo every week.

Yes so to make it simple if you are using a nuclear sub you are sacrificing a lot of stealth for just few days more of endurance. Where as if you are using a diesel electric you pop in the middle of a battle group and scare the shit out of enemy with out firing a single bullet. A single diesel electric sub with nuclear capable cruise missiles is a bigger threat than nuclear sub with ballistic missiles. Because first you cannot detect a diesel electric sub secondly you cannot detect a sea skimming and land hugging cruise missile. You will only know something you after you are dead.

Resupply at sea was the biggest issue of world war 2 and it still is the biggest issue.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Got specs of PN Milgem/Type 054A? Any word on F-22P MLU?

The PN hasn't released its MILGEM build, but it's the Ada with different weapons.

However, 'different' from the Turkish Navy's current Ada Corvettes, Turkey is proposing newer weapons meant for the I-Class (AShM, ASW).

Type 054A will be like the PLAN, but with export systems (incl.OTHR).

No word on F-22P MLU.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

Nuclear submarines are generally equiped with nukes,they do not need to be re ammo,once they fired,dozens of millions people would be wiped out from existence.

 

[The Accountant]

Nuclear submarines are generally equiped with nukes,they do not need to be re ammo,once they fired,dozens of millions people would be wiped out from existence.

What are you smoking man ? So if they are only for nuclear strike then what is there role in conventional strike and what the hell are doing in CBG ... i thought there job in CBG is to protect from under watwr threat which requires tarpedos and not nukes ...

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

What are you smoking man ? So if they are only for nuclear strike then what is there role in conventional strike and what the hell are doing in CBG ... i thought there job in CBG is to protect from under watwr threat which requires tarpedos and not nukes ...

You are talking about tactical nuclrar submarine not strategic nuclear submarine.
They have different roles!

 

[The Accountant]

You are talking about tactical nuclrar submarine not strategic nuclear submarine.
They have different roles!

No i am talking about all nuclear subs as comparision here is diesel electric v/s nuclear ... its you who is comparing it incorrectly with strategic role and most importantly its the role of sub and not classification ... can u please name a sub having nukes only ?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Navy to get eight new submarines

By Salman Siddiqui
Published: December 1, 2018

PHOTO: REUTERS

KARACHI: Pakistan in collaboration with China will manufacture eight submarines for its maritime force.

“The production will start in one to one-and-a-half-year time,” said Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works Project Director Commodore M Jahanzeb Ahsan at the IDEAS 2018, a four-day long event held at the Karachi Expo Centre.

“Half of the eight submarines of advanced version will be developed in China while the other half in Pakistan,” said Commodore Ahsan.
Pakistan and China developed understanding for the manufacturing of the submarines sometime in 2011, he said.

The top three countries with the highest number of submarines in the world are; North Korea with 86, China 73 and US 66, according to www.globalfirepower.com.

Navy to get eight new submarines | tribune.com.pk

@Goku-kun here it is