Hamas Leader's Son Was Shin Bet Mole

[Kompromat]

What a Shame for Muslims and Palestinians & their Freedom Movement !!

He stands in the same league as Mir Jafir and Mir Sadiq .

 

[Hussein]

You're into philosophy, do you understand that you think like the educated classes in France?

Iranian people are educated. Education is very important for us.
Ahmadinejad is a shame in Iran for his very bad education.
We are average better educated than French people. That's why when we go foreign countries we success well. See in USA
I think some people think muslim=bad educated but real muslim is good educated.

Being lazy with English is fine. But being lazy in French is a crime!

lol somewhat true

The French King was elected by the States-General in 1614. The States-General didn't meet again until 1789. It isn't whether you're elected that matters, but whether afterward the people can vote you out. Hamas was elected to parliamentary, not executive, power. They then carried out a putsch to abrogate separation-of-powers and establish one-party tyrannical rule.

States General are three parts: nobles, cleric and third state being "people" of the nation . It exists since Philippe le Bel. (1302)
They never elect King. This was only to discuss about very important points when it was a crisis. But the King decides. That's the problem when in England they already changed their governance.
It was one of the good creation and the end of servage. Before people were slaves . Some nobles did fght kings because they were unhappy with this.

I did see the play. But I prefer history to historical novels when possible, I avoid mixing fact and fiction that way.

What about the side of the non-Palestinian Arabs and Muslims? How many have made any effort to accept Israel, even in theory?

I heard about it.
I let a Palestinian speak about it with you
On French TV they say often about Jerusalem : arabs kicked out of Jerusalem East. Is it true? i don't know

 

[Solomon2]

Iranian people are educated. Education is very important for us.

My point was that the assertion that the "clear thinking" provided by theory trumps fact and experience because people who cite fact and experience must be crazy) is a French characteristic, one that Sartre occasionally poked fun at. It's caused by an excessive reliance on Cartesian deductive logic and an unwillingness to correct such by applying induction.

I think some people think muslim=bad educated but real muslim is good educated.

That is part of the struggle between Muslims for the soul of Islam, is it not?

States General are three parts: nobles, cleric and third state being "people" of the nation . It exists since Philippe le Bel. (1302)
They never elect King. This was only to discuss about very important points when it was a crisis.

You have caught me in an error. The SG only tried to pick a king once, in the sixteenth century, and they failed. Otherwise they functioned pretty much as you described.

Correct me again if I'm wrong, but more commonly the only effective legal check on the French king was the Parlis parlement, whose assent was needed to register the king's laws.

I heard about it. I let a Palestinian speak about it with you.

I look forward to it.

On French TV they say often about Jerusalem : arabs kicked out of Jerusalem East. Is it true? i don't know

Don't know the context of the discussion. One recent issue was an Israeli court decision that an Arab family with a faked deed could be kicked out of their house by the heirs of the Jewish family that had owned it in the 1930s only to be murdered in an anti-Jewish Arab riot. The international media distorted this as "Israelis kicking Palestinians out of Jerusalem", etc.

 

[Hussein]

My point was that the assertion that the "clear thinking" provided by theory trumps fact and experience because people who cite fact and experience must be crazy) is a French characteristic, one that Sartre occasionally poked fun at. It's caused by an excessive reliance on Cartesian deductive logic and an unwillingness to correct such by applying induction.

what i like in Sartre philosophy is that you're not born free
there is a fight , an inside job to be free. you should make effort and conquier this freedom. when i was reading this hard to read book "l'etre et le neant" i was impressed by the fact i was feeling this same experience that you have kind of second birth in life.
i believe that we should work hard to be free, philosophically speaking.
thank you Salomon for these words. Seems you have philosophy knowledge

That is part of the struggle between Muslims for the soul of Islam, is it not?

you're right.
you know ... i met once Montazeri , a very great personality, and he said he was knowing that being in Qom would make him have views that would not be if he was not in this atmosphere. Even with this, he came to a tolerant and modern Islam, an Islam which doesn't force to wear scarf for exemple.
When you read our holly book it was about the facts . Some stupid people will make a story about details. And you can read it in a whole spirit like if you catch really the meaning . then you didn't make this stupid story.
It is the same about the stupid talibans or the people who say to know Islam and say it is a dangerous religion, that they say we cannot be tolerant, that we cannot respect women, that it's never possible democracy with Islam.

Sorry being off topic. Take care. Good night.

 

[Doctor09]

you think jews are innocent? that is bull ****
israel is an illegal state and jews killed many innocent muslims in palestine
so to kill jews in order to protect ourself from jews is HAMAS's right.

 

[Doctor09]

any muslim who help jews against muslims is a traitor.
traitors must be killed

 

[deesu]

you think jews are innocent? that is bull ****
israel is an illegal state and jews killed many innocent muslims in palestine
so to kill jews in order to protect ourself from jews is HAMAS's right.

let all of us kill each other and claim our right......
I feel your logic of HAMAS's right is not right.....

 

[Doctor09]

let all of us kill each other and claim our right......
I feel your logic of HAMAS's right is not right.....

if hamas is not doing right(that is what you think) then tell me the answer of this question
"if i captured your land and home and i try to kill you and your family(its all illegal)then is not this your right to protect yourself and kill me before i kill you?"
or you will commit sucide or run away?
think and reply

 

[deesu]

if hamas is not doing right(that is what you think) then tell me the answer of this question
"if i captured your land and home and i try to kill you and your family(its all illegal)then is not this your right to protect yourself and kill me before i kill you?"
or you will commit sucide or run away?
think and reply

There is nothing to take that so personal.... the issue in israel is not that simple...and no need to hate all Jews....
Hate only creates more hate
Its all the view how you see it... let me tell you muslims of Palestain say that the land of israel is theirs... and the jews say that it is theirs as they were driven out 100's of years back....
And what is your opinion on the Mogul conquest of India.... remember the Moguls were not considered as Hindustanis then.....

Please try to see the other side of the coin also....

 

[below_freezing]

There is nothing to take that so personal.... the issue in israel is not that simple...and no need to hate all Jews....
Hate only creates more hate
Its all the view how you see it... let me tell you muslims of Palestain say that the land of israel is theirs... and the jews say that it is theirs as they were driven out 100's of years back....
And what is your opinion on the Mogul conquest of India.... remember the Moguls were not considered as Hindustanis then.....

Please try to see the other side of the coin also....

lets try some examples from ancient history since israel seems to be an ancient issue.

The hatred between Han and Mongols has lasted over 1000 years, yet today it is already solved. We've been occupied by the Mongols, and then we've occupied the Mongols, and it went back and forth in great wars for centuries. But now? Chinese Mongols consider themselves just like Han in every way, and most Mongols don't actually live in Mongolia, but in China! Neither of us hate each other anymore.

What is the solution? The integration of the minority with the majority. If Jews in the middle east became as assimilated as Mongols in China, there'd be no problems. If Israel simply converted to Islam and spoke arabic, there'd be no issues at all.

 

[deesu]

lets try some examples from ancient history since israel seems to be an ancient issue.

The hatred between Han and Mongols has lasted over 1000 years, yet today it is already solved. We've been occupied by the Mongols, and then we've occupied the Mongols, and it went back and forth in great wars for centuries. But now? Chinese Mongols consider themselves just like Han in every way, and most Mongols don't actually live in Mongolia, but in China! Neither of us hate each other anymore.

What is the solution? The integration of the minority with the majority. If Jews in the middle east became as assimilated as Mongols in China, there'd be no problems. If Israel simply converted to Islam and spoke arabic, there'd be no issues at all.

and why is that the jews should not be accepted as jews ?????
and should we say same thing about all the minorities in India... or the so called muslim regions of China to han????

 

[Doctor09]

There is nothing to take that so personal.... the issue in israel is not that simple...and no need to hate all Jews....
Hate only creates more hate
Its all the view how you see it... let me tell you muslims of Palestain say that the land of israel is theirs... and the jews say that it is theirs as they were driven out 100's of years back....
And what is your opinion on the Mogul conquest of India.... remember the Moguls were not considered as Hindustanis then.....

Please try to see the other side of the coin also....

i am not taking it personal but its everyones right to protect his home. its universal law. and i hope u agree with this law?

 

[Hussein]

any muslim who help jews against muslims is a traitor.
traitors must be killed

killed? let's say at least judged.

if you really check the history from our original prophets before our prophet Muhammad , if you check the history of jews, Israel exists. Arabs were coming after and living with jews there. There was no state before jews came.
UNO accepted a land named Israel and we should all accept Israel.

Based on this we should all be together to say we don't accept the Israel accepted by UNO has to be bigger and few Israelians should be kicked out by Israel from illegal occupied territories.

 

[Solomon2]

Chinese Mongols consider themselves just like Han in every way -

Do you eat moose lips for breakfast?

If Israel simply converted to Islam and spoke arabic, there'd be no issues at all.

The issue is that Jews would have to give up the individuality that makes them Jews to do so. It would be the spiritual if not physical end of the Jews as a people. While that sort of thing may be agreeable to the "we absorb everyone" Han, both Arabs and Jews wish to keep their identity.

 

[Solomon2]

what i like in Sartre philosophy is that you're not born free
there is a fight , an inside job to be free. you should make effort and conquier this freedom. when i was reading this hard to read book "l'etre et le neant" i was impressed by the fact i was feeling this same experience that you have kind of second birth in life.
i believe that we should work hard to be free, philosophically speaking.

I must re-read Sartre. It's been too long.

When you read our holly book it was about the facts . Some stupid people will make a story about details. And you can read it in a whole spirit like if you catch really the meaning . then you didn't make this stupid story. It is the same about the stupid talibans or the people who say to know Islam and say it is a dangerous religion, that they say we cannot be tolerant, that we cannot respect women, that it's never possible democracy with Islam. Sorry being off topic. Take care. Good night.

Not off-topic at all, it's very much what Mosab Hassan Yousef talks about - though I think he means more than the Shia/Sunni split.