HAL Hands Over Tejas Jets To IAF

[Raul_AD]

More take off weight, ferry range, STOL capability even on roads and highways, possibly better radar. Plus a well tested aircraft in service or being inducted with multiple air forces. Tejas appears to be a mix-and-match aircraft. We sought many domestic components- when those failed- we got foreign components. Now being forcibly inducted under political pressure. When Tejas is inducted in multiple airforces or sees actual battle- we can get a better opinion. As of now Gripen is better (in my opinion)

What is the empty Weight of Gripen and what is that of Tejas?

What is fuel carrying capacity of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is the Engine Thrust of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is the TWR of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is Radar of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is AoA of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is Weapon weight Carrying Capacity of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

How many Air Craft be it F-16, F-18, Su-30, have the capacity to land on roads?

 

[Superboy]

What maintenance need invariable intakes?

A lot. A variable intake is not part of the fuselage. It's a separate system all by itself. That's why there is a physical gap between fuselage and variable intake. A variable intake has many moving parts inside and all have to be working for the jet to fly. So lots of checking and maintenance before and after each flight.

JF-17 is basically a MiG-21 airframe with added LERX. Tejas is unstable tailess + it has much larger use of composites.

Not so. JF-17 is as different from MiG-21 as F-35 is from F-5. One is not an upgrade of the other. Likewise, Tejas is not an upgraded MiG-21. A pilot typically cannot withstand 9 g. So newer jets like F-22, JF-17, Rafale, F-18E, Typhoon typically do not go for such high g design. Composites do nothing.

 

[sancho]

If I recall, this was going to happen anyway, regardless of gaining final operational clearance, which I think the LCA still does not have. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, because it's a forced photo op of the MoD and has no real meaning for the IAF at this point. To actually start induction of the fighter into service, it needs all 4 serial produced fighters, that hopefully will be available by the end of the year, with the last 2 in FOC standard. So real induction is going to start only by next year.

 

[Ragnar]

What is the empty Weight of Gripen and what is that of Tejas?

What is fuel carrying capacity of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is the Engine Thrust of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is the TWR of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is Radar of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is AoA of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

What is Weapon weight Carrying Capacity of Gripen and What is that of Tejas?

How many Air Craft be it F-16, F-18, Su-30, have the capacity to land on roads?

Google is your friend. Discussed to death this forum before. Feel free to state your counter-views.

 

[Superboy]

Yes, because it's a forced photo op of the MoD and has no real meaning for the IAF at this point. To actually start induction of the fighter into service, it needs all 4 serial produced fighters, that hopefully will be available by the end of the year, with the last 2 in FOC standard. So real induction is going to happen only by next year.

Why 4? JF-17 was inducted in February 2010 when 12 jets were delivered. 12 is the minimum number of a squadron.

 

[sancho]

Why 4?

Because that is the minimum number IAF requires to start the induction of a new squadron, just as they do it with MKIs today too.

 

[Raul_AD]

Google is your friend. Discussed to death this forum before. Feel free to state your counter-views.

Why dont you reply them as according to you Gripen is superior to Tejas.

Prove it, if not then accept Tejas has better capacity in all the here mentioned spects.

 

[Ragnar]

Why dont you reply them as according to you Gripen is superior to Tejas.

Prove it, if not then accept Tejas has better capacity in all the here mentioned spects.

I am not accepting anything buddy. Tejas is mix-and-match aircraft with parts bought from all over the world. Gripen is inducted in multiple airforces. When Tejas is exported, you can start talking.

 

[500]

A lot. A variable intake is not part of the fuselage. It's a separate system all by itself. That's why there is a physical gap between fuselage and variable intake. A variable intake has many moving parts inside and all have to be working for the jet to fly. So lots of checking and maintenance before and after each flight.

I said invariable. Without moving parts, like F-16 intake. What maintenance it needs? lol

Not so. JF-17 is as different from MiG-21 as F-35 is from F-5.

No. Wha's the difference beside the lerx?

One is not an upgrade of the other. Likewise, Tejas is not an upgraded MiG-21. A pilot typically cannot withstand 9 g. So newer jets like F-22, JF-17, Rafale, F-18E, Typhoon typically do not go for such high g design.

U cant achieve 9 g anywhere. For example at high altitudes Tejas will maneuver much better than JF-17 due to much larger wing.

Composites do nothing.

They reduce weight and RCS.

 

[Superboy]

I said invariable. Without moving parts, like F-16 intake. What maintenance it needs? lol

All intakes other than DSI have moving parts. Mirage's and MiG-21's slide forward and backward. F-16's has moving parts inside. Only DSI has no moving parts because it's part of the fuselage, not a separate system.

No. Wha's the difference beside the lerx?

What similarity do you see besides both have 2 wings 1 tail?

They reduce weight and RCS.

What is Tejas's composites?

 

[500]

All intake other than DSI has moving parts. Mirage's and MiG-21's slide forward and backward. F-16's has moving parts inside. Only DSI has no moving parts because it's part of the fuselage, not a separate system.

LOL what is moving here?

What similarity do you see besides both have 2 wings 1 tail?

Same classical airframe.

What is Tejas's composites?

 

[Superboy]

LOL what is moving here?

It has to move. It has a diverter inside that has to move as F-16 goes in and out of supersonic speed. Only DSI DiverterLESS supersonic intake has no diverter no moving part because it is part of the fuselage, not a separate system.

 

[ni8mare]

Congrats on the first serial production Tejas. Still a long ways to go to catch up to JF-17. Over 70 serial production JF-17 built so far.

lol they are yet to cross 50 jf ...where you get 70 nos.

 

[Superboy]

Same classical airframe.

How classical?

lol they are yet to cross 50 jf ...where you get 70 nos.

50 SP JF-17 built. 50 per block. Block 1 all built. Crashed 1. 49 left in PAF. About 20 of Block 2's 50 built so far.

List of aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Abingdonboy]

All major components are imported. So IMO too expensive to compete with JF-17 and Gripen.

Oh yes, let's not compare it to the 100% Swedish Gripen:

And the PAF would LOVE to have more foreign content on te JF-17:

France & Pakistan to revive JF-17 Avionics/EW/Missiles deal as Indian MMRCA stalls.



It is for poltical and economic reasons they can't.

Obviously, on the maintenance side, at least in terms of the airframe, JF-17 requires far less because DSI is part of the fuselage, it's not a separate complex system like the one in Tejas.

Tejas' air intake needs maintenance after every flight. JF-17's DSI does not require any maintenance because it's part of the fuselage.

Wow, you really are a parady of yourself! DSI= the best thing ever put on a plane that solves EVERYTHING! Just by having DSI makes any plane superior to a plane without DSI.



Let's not even mention the fact the LCA Mk.1 is superior in pretty much every way to the JF-17 blk.1 and 2 - HMDS, ECM,Radar, BVR missiles, IFR probe, higher composite material content, OBOGS etc etc

The LCA Mk.2 will put the JF-17 to shame on pretty much every level.