Guns Fall Silent on the LoC

[Baibars_1260]

I never said poor cannot fight. Yes, you can fight with us but then events of 1971 may repeat, so please refrain.

Oh, ( sigh ) the well worn "Don't forget 1971 " argument?

You are going to repeat 1971 ?
Go ahead !

Better luck than Operations Brasstacks, Operations Parakaram .
Or Sam Bahadur signing away Chamb after 1971.


R

 

[N.Siddiqui]

India is home to 46.6 million stunted children,

Most of these stunted children are now grownups and we see a few of them here at the PDF.

 

[Baibars_1260]

We are perfectly fine if they stop all aid.

So why the begging bowl for "Corona Relief " ?

$1 Billion from World Bank to Protect India’s Poorest from COVID-19 (Coronavirus)

$1 billion support for Accelerating India’s COVID-19 Social Protection Response Program to support India’s efforts at providing social assistance to the poor and vulnerable households, severely impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.worldbank.org

 

[magra]

your not under fire? only in india will people say that folding & surrendering in front of not one but two enemies is not being under fire. does make sense though, fits the indian national character of bending over backwards, taking it hard & not get bothered by it. heck, forget getting bothered, these fools turned around and asked for punishment, yanay kay dubara aik baar phir say maaro! it takes a very strong national character to be moved by such humiliation, heck, if the u.s. had done 1/10th of what China or Pakistan did to Canada or Mexico, even they would've gone all out for war but, alas...we are talking about indians from the land of kamasutra where getting violated has becoming a part of the national culture. now, as for fatf, I said it good for PAKISTAN, not tht politicians. it took two years years due to resistance from a corrupt opposition that had to be an twisted since they dominated the senate which they are about to loose. then, all hell will be unleashed on an these corrupt money laundering thugs whom I wouldn't hire as my janitor. enuf said about fatf, you can research the rest on your own.

why does it matter what we are son? we never claimed nor care to claim anything related to democracy. it is you jokers who always made the bull crap claim of being the " largest & vibrant democracy" where the elected representatives are held accountable to the people. kia ho gaya "people" go? hawa kaysay nikli kab nikli kiyon nikli?

what I said IS true & always has been true. do I rejoice? of course. but that's not the issue here. buddy, you lost your right to say that "we don't need worry about how you domestically conduct your democracy and take your leaders into account" when you came to the Pakistani forum posting your issues...now we will question and demand answers. And we do so knowing that you don't have an answer but we'll give you a fair chance at answering before we expose your fakery. so do enlighten us about how exactly do you "conduct your democracy and take your leaders to account". oh and don't tell me that old brow beaten retarded horse manure of a comment that "oh, uh...well, w', w', we just won't vote for em next time, y' yeah, that'll teach em, yeah, thark teach em real good, yeah"!

I am sure Uncleji you enjoyed writing this lengthy post. I hope you feel bloated and satisfied.
We did not surrender anything to anyone. On the contrary, I am hearing that you may need to surrender your Gwadar to China in a few years due to your debt situation. Please be careful.
It is good if you implement FATF regulations. This is precisely what India wants too. Thank you for making progress on that front. Hope you dont roll back on that after coming out of grey list.
We need not claim ourselves as the largest democracy. The world knows about it and has given us the title. Go tell them if you are unhappy.
We have long experience how to live in a democratic society, we know how to make our leaders accountable. You do not need to worry about us.

 

[Baibars_1260]

@magra

Pakistan is too poor to fight and MUST not forget 1971 ALWAYS remember 1971.

Pakistan shoots down two Indian warplanes and captures pilot

Pakistan publishes images of the captured Indian pilot as the conflict between the nuclear-armed rivals in Kashmir escalates.

news.sky.com

 

[magra]

So why the begging bowl for "Corona Relief " ?

$1 Billion from World Bank to Protect India’s Poorest from COVID-19 (Coronavirus)

$1 billion support for Accelerating India’s COVID-19 Social Protection Response Program to support India’s efforts at providing social assistance to the poor and vulnerable households, severely impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.worldbank.org

Thank you for this article. How do you know it is an aid and not a loan?

 

[Baibars_1260]

ALWAYS remember 1971 .. Never forget it ...Pakistan is a poor "defeated nation "

2001–02 India–Pakistan standoff

The 2001–2002 India–Pakistan standoff was a military standoff between India and Pakistan that resulted in the massing of troops on either side of the International Border (IB) and along the Line of Control (LoC) in the region of Kashmir. This was the second major military standoff between India...

military.wikia.org

Operation Parakaram:
Extracts :
The standoff inflicted heavy casualties. About 789[24] to 1,874 Indian soldiers died during the conflict.[25]


Cost of standoff

The Indian cost for the buildup was 216 billion (US$3.5 billion) being much greater than that of Pakistani US$1.4 billion.[26]


Threat of nuclear war

Musharraf refused to renounce the use of nuclear weapons even after pressure by the international community. Whereas Vajpayee asserted from the beginning that even though ISI sponsored groups were ready to threaten India's sovereignty and were also infiltrating Kashmir, nuclear weapons would only be used if the other side used them first. As both India and Pakistan are armed with nuclear weapons, the possibility a conventional war could escalate into a nuclear one was raised several times during the standoff. Various statements on this subject were made by Indian and Pakistani officials during the conflict, mainly concerning a no first use policy. Indian Foreign Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh said on 5 June that India would not use nuclear weapons first,[27] while Musharraf said on 5 June he would not renounce Pakistan's right to use nuclear weapons first.[28] According to one think tank of the Pakistani government, the possession of nuclear weapons by Pakistan prevented escalation to an all out war by India.[29][unreliable source?] In 2009, Pakistani economist Sartaj Aziz asserted that:

2001–02 India–Pakistan standoff

The 2001–2002 India–Pakistan standoff was a military standoff between India and Pakistan that resulted in the massing of troops on either side of the International Border (IB) and along the Line of Control (LoC) in the region of Kashmir. This was the second major military standoff between India...

military.wikia.org

 

[magra]

@magra

Pakistan is too poor to fight and MUST not forget 1971 ALWAYS remember 1971.


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Pakistan shoots down two Indian warplanes and captures pilot

Pakistan publishes images of the captured Indian pilot as the conflict between the nuclear-armed rivals in Kashmir escalates.

news.sky.com

Sending me a few pictures wont change the reality that is Bangladesh. Again, I am repeating, we dont intend to attack you. I hope you dont too.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Thank you for this article. How do you know it is an aid and not a loan?

Why does a superpower need a loan ?
Did any other nation from the G10 countries ask for loan/ aid or whatever?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

but we do not go to different countries for 2 billion dollars loan every month .

Absolutely right. You should take the money stashed in Brahmin temples first, redistribute it to those who actually need it, only then if there is a shortfall seek foreign loans.

 

[magra]

Why does a superpower need a loan ?
Did any other nation from the G10 countries ask for loan/ aid or whatever?

Taking loan is not an issue. Even US has taken a lot of loans. When the debt situation becomes unsustainable and you need to take more debt to pay interest on previous debt (circular debt), then you know you are in trouble.
We are not a superpower yet. We have a clear path forward by which we can reach that goal. We do not want to engage in unncessary bickering with you as it deflects us from this path. It is neither in your best interests to bicker with us. Wish you the best in trying to tackle your own issues.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The heartburn in a lot of green flags regarding the ceasefire is a little intriguing.
It is general perception in quite a few experts that there is a section in Pakistan that wants the borders to be on boil always. That’s how they get to keep it a security state and make money for themselves.

My take is that these elements will try and create some situation very soon so that ceasefire is violated.

Hoping for peace though.

Ceasefire has been violated routinely for decades.

That's why they're reported as "ceasefire violations" in India and Pakistan.

When this ceasefire is violated, how will that be any different?

 

[Baibars_1260]

Sending me a few pictures wont change the reality that is Bangladesh. Again, I am repeating, we dont intend to attack you. I hope you dont too.

Yes, its a few pictures to make us remember the withdrawals and ceasefire after the famous Bangladesh Civil War surtender where your time stops on 16th December. Thank you for taking "Bangladesh " or that Swamp off our backs. You can shoot down as many illegal immigrants as you want as they crawl over your fence to escape their land sinking into the sea due to climate change.
We have a special thread on this forum. We would very much welcome you to join and contribute and proudly display your great 1971 victory.
Please contribute and paste the famous Dhaka surrender ceremony picture here, and join in the discussions . Will join you there.

How to beat the "1971Civil War " Psychological Syndrome !

The 1971 Civil War Psychological Syndrome, and how to beat it ! ( Note: The intention of this opening post is not to discuss the causes of our Civil War and its military history , but the aftermath, and most important how we should handle the psychological impact on the generation today )...

defence.pk

 

[magra]

Absolutely right. You should take the money stashed in Brahmin temples first, redistribute it to those who actually need it, only then if there is a shortfall seek foreign loans.

You are right on this. The idle money in temples should ideally be used for our country. But you know religion is a tricky issue. You have your fair share in your country to handle.

Yes, its a few pictures to make us remember the withdrawals and ceasefire after the famous Bangladesh Civil War surtender where your time stops on 16th December. Thank you for taking "Bangladesh " or that Swamp off our backs. You can shoot down as many illegal immigrants as you want as they crawl over your fence to escape their land sinking into the sea due to climate change.
We have a special thread on this forum. We would very much welcome you to join and contribute and proudly display your great 1971 victory.
Please contribute and paste the famous Dhaka surrender ceremony picture here, and join in the discussions . Will join you there.

How to beat the "1971Civil War " Psychological Syndrome !

The 1971 Civil War Psychological Syndrome, and how to beat it ! ( Note: The intention of this opening post is not to discuss the causes of our Civil War and its military history , but the aftermath, and most important how we should handle the psychological impact on the generation today )...

defence.pk

Well my BD friends, please see how some of the Pak posters consider your land.
I have no interest in wasting time on self-gloating pictures.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

You are right on this. The idle money in temples should ideally be used for our country. But you know religion is a tricky issue. You have your fair share in your country to handle.

Well my BD friends, please see how some of the Pak posters consider your land.
I have no interest in wasting time on self-gloating pictures.

Well historically, our antecedents the mughals had the right idea, simply walking in and taking the gold, then using it for military, economic, artistic or political advancement of the nation. Far better than letting it sit around and gather dust imho.