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The 1971 Civil War Psychological Syndrome, and how to beat it !
( Note: The intention of this opening post is not to discuss the causes of our Civil War and its military history , but the aftermath, and most important how we should handle the psychological impact on the generation today )

Most Pakistanis who personally experienced the Civil War of 1971, are either dead, or too old to care reliving or relating their experiences. The survivors are tired and silent. No one will listen to them as they fade away. Not even their own heirs or children.

Much of what dispassionate and neutral historians wrote is either inaccessible to the generation born after 1971. With the trillions of dollars backed Social Media industry, and its electronic footprint the younger generation has a significant attention deficiency problem, and would rather read a four line social media post, than a 500 page book written by a professional researcher. Very few books are available on the click of an internet search engine button and no one would have the patience to read them.

With a dominance over the Social Media our enemy is attempting the greatest psychological experiment in history in imbuing an entire generation with guilt, despair and frustration over a "historic defeat and humiliation." Likewise the enemy is also imbuing its own younger generation with extreme jingoism and religious fundamentalism reliving a glorious victory of a "1000 year revenge".

Pakistan is not the only nation in the world to have faced a Civil War, and military intervention by a hostile power. Other nations, U.K., U.S.A, Russia, China, Spain, Lebanon, Sudan, Ethiopia to name a few, have all faced Civil Wars. The Partition of British ruled India itself was a Civil War of sorts. Pakistan is the only nation that tortures itself over a Civil War, which actually was only waged and lost over a dog leg "swamp" that was artificially linked 1000 miles away. There are several parallels to this situation such as the French and Algerian connection, which we can discuss in later posts.

Other nations far bigger and more powerful than Pakistan have faced far more humiliating military defeats with far more reaching geo-political consequences and have moved on both psychologically and materially.

1. India was decisively defeated by China in 1962, with loss of territory that completely altered the geo-strategic equation.

2. The USA lost the "anti-communist" war in Vietnam ( 1975 ) leading to concessions to China.
(Paracel, and Spratly Islands, and later Hong Kong ).

3. The Soviet Union lost the war in Afghanistan and broke up (1988 ).

All resilient nations recover from the trauma of a Civil War and military intervention / defeat. Japan and Germany are the best examples.

Yet , no nation suffers from a psychological impact of a Civil War that had a relatively minor impact on it military capabilities as Pakistan

The psychological impact (quite evident on the PDF) of this social media manipulation is remarkable. When discussing Pakistan's history, social, and current affairs, almost every second or third thread contains the "magic" numerals "1971" in posts by members.

These magic numerals are used by both our enemy "guests", our former brethren,our very own patriots, fervent religious propagandists, ethnic nationalists and above all by self flagellating self hating fellow countrymen.
Let's take a look at how this "magic " number "1971" is used:

1. Our enemy uses 1971 to remind us that we are "vanquished defeated" nation and we will be defeated again this time on our own territory. This is feeding a dangerous delusion in the minds of the younger generation that might result in a very undesirable result for their nation.

2.Our former brethren and ally of our enemy reminds us of "1971" as a combination of the following :

(a) Their martial prowess and military strength is superior to ours since they won the Civil War.

(b) We are barbarians and savages who carried out massacres, rapes, and destruction during the Civil War for which our armed forces personnel need to be turned over for trial and execution as "war criminals ".

(c) We need to acknowledge our guilt and apologize ( Delhi agreements of 1973, 1974 don't count. We must live in shame forever.

(d) We need to surrender 50% of all our financial, and military ( air, naval, armored) , assets as a "division" following the conclusion of the war.

(e) It is all our fault.

3. Our fervently religious patriots attribute our Civil War loss to the fact that we were not "good Muslims ", abandoning the spirit of the Ummah, and thus incurring divine displeasure. This despite the fact that most Muslim majority nations supported us during our Civil War in a display of Ummah solidarity never seen since. But for their support India would never have made the humbling concessions it did, swapping captured territories, and releasing ( and exchanging POWs ).

4. Our ethno-nationalist insist that the Civil War was the result of racial disparity of our former brethren who were more culturally compatible with our enemy than with their Western wing countrymen ; ignoring the fact that cultural similarities with populations of two other neighbor countries have so far not produced a secessionist movement that remotely resembles the situation in 1971.

5. Self hating liberal democrats use the Civil War as a stick to beat
our armed forces reminding them of their "defeat" , and ignoring the fact that but for the brilliant performance of our armed forces in the West Pakistan would have been dismembered further with the loss of Azad Kashmir.

6. Patriots ( Type 1) constantly remember primarily the enemy involvement in the Civil War. It is the enemy on whom the blame lies, and our former brethren are entirely innocent, ; our own follies not withstanding.
We must therefore :
(a) Restore the faith and trust in our former brethren and take back our territory.
(b) Avenge 1971 by causing an enemy territory to secede.

7. Patriots (Type 2):
We will never forgive, never forget the treachery of our former brethren, We will never forgive, never forget, the "defeat" our enemy inflicted on us and we will avenge even if it takes 1000 years, or even if we mutually annihilate each other.

In the subsequent posts let us look at the immediate aftermath of the civil war, the present and the future.

Facing the facts will help us rid us of the psychological trauma we suffer every time we visit a social media site, or forum. Our enemy would like nothing better than to damage our sense of nation hood forever. We can't be defeated militarily but we can be defeated psychologically.


 
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The 1971 Civil War Psychological Syndrome, and how to beat it !
( Note: The intention of this opening post is not to discuss the causes of our Civil War and its military history , but the aftermath, and most important how we should handle the psychological impact on the generation today )

Most Pakistanis who personally experienced the Civil War of 1971, are either dead, or too old to care reliving or relating their experiences. The survivors are tired and silent. No one will listen to them as they fade away. Not even their own heirs or children.

Much of what dispassionate and neutral historians wrote is either inaccessible to the generation born after 1971. With the trillions of dollars backed Social Media industry, and its electronic footprint the younger generation has a significant attention deficiency problem, and would rather read a four line social media post, than a 500 page book written by a professional researcher. Very few books are available on the click of an internet search engine button and no one would have the patience to read them.

With a dominance over the Social Media our enemy is attempting the greatest psychological experiment in history in imbuing an entire generation with guilt, despair and frustration over a "historic defeat and humiliation." Likewise the enemy is also imbuing its own younger generation with extreme jingoism and religious fundamentalism reliving a glorious victory of a "1000 year revenge".

Pakistan is not the only nation in the world to have faced a Civil War, and military intervention by a hostile power. Other nations, U.K., U.S.A, Russia, China, Spain, Lebanon, Sudan, Ethiopia to name a few, have all faced Civil Wars. The Partition of British ruled India itself was a Civil War of sorts. Pakistan is the only nation that tortures itself over a Civil War, which actually was only waged and lost over a dog leg "swamp" that was artificially linked 1000 miles away. There are several parallels to this situation such as the French and Algerian connection, which we can discuss in later posts.

Other nations far bigger and more powerful than Pakistan have faced far more humiliating military defeats with far more reaching geo-political consequences and have moved on both psychologically and materially.

1. India was decisively defeated by China in 1962, with loss of territory that completely altered the geo-strategic equation.

2. The USA lost the "anti-communist" war in Vietnam ( 1975 ) leading to concessions to China.
(Paracel, and Spratly Islands, and later Hong Kong ).

3. The Soviet Union lost the war in Afghanistan and broke up (1988 ).

All resilient nations recover from the trauma of a Civil War and military intervention / defeat. Japan and Germany are the best examples.

Yet , no nation suffers from a psychological impact of a Civil War that had a relatively minor impact on it military capabilities as Pakistan

The psychological impact (quite evident on the PDF) of this social media manipulation is remarkable. When discussing Pakistan's history, social, and current affairs, almost every second or third thread contains the "magic" numerals "1971" in posts by members.

These magic numerals are used by both our enemy "guests", our former brethren,our very own patriots, fervent religious propagandists, ethnic nationalists and above all by self flagellating self hating fellow countrymen.
Let's take a look at how this "magic " number "1971" is used:

1. Our enemy uses 1971 to remind us that we are "vanquished defeated" nation and we will be defeated again this time on our own territory. This is feeding a dangerous delusion in the minds of the younger generation that might result in a very undesirable result for their nation.

2.Our former brethren and ally of our enemy reminds us of "1971" as a combination of the following :

(a) Their martial prowess and military strength is superior to ours since they won the Civil War.

(b) We are barbarians and savages who carried out massacres, rapes, and destruction during the Civil War for which our armed forces personnel need to be turned over for trial and execution as "war criminals ".

(c) We need to acknowledge our guilt and apologize ( Delhi agreements of 1973, 1974 don't count. We must live in shame forever.

(d) We need to surrender 50% of all our financial, and military ( air, naval, armored) , assets as a "division" following the conclusion of the war.

(e) It is all our fault.

3. Our fervently religious patriots attribute our Civil War loss to the fact that we were not "good Muslims ", abandoning the spirit of the Ummah, and thus incurring divine displeasure. This despite the fact that most Muslim majority nations supported us during our Civil War in a display of Ummah solidarity never seen since. But for their support India would never have made the humbling concessions it did, swapping captured territories, and releasing ( and exchanging POWs ).

4. Our ethno-nationalist insist that the Civil War was the result of racial disparity of our former brethren who were more culturally compatible with our enemy than with their Western wing countrymen ; ignoring the fact that cultural similarities with populations of two other neighbor countries have so far not produced a secessionist movement that remotely resembles the situation in 1971.

5. Self hating liberal democrats use the Civil War as a stick to beat
our armed forces reminding them of their "defeat" , and ignoring the fact that but for the brilliant performance of our armed forces in the West Pakistan would have been dismembered further with the loss of Azad Kashmir.

6. Patriots ( Type 1) constantly remember primarily the enemy involvement in the Civil War. It is the enemy on whom the blame lies, and our former brethren are entirely innocent, ; our own follies not withstanding.
We must therefore :
(a) Restore the faith and trust in our former brethren and take back our territory.
(b) Avenge 1971 by causing an enemy territory to secede.

7. Patriots (Type 2):
We will never forgive, never forget the treachery of our former brethren, We will never forgive, never forget, the "defeat" our enemy inflicted on us and we will avenge even if it takes 1000 years, or even if we mutually annihilate each other.

In the subsequent posts let us look at the immediate aftermath of the civil war, the present and the future.

Facing the facts will help us rid us of the psychological trauma we suffer every time we visit a social media site, or forum. Our enemy would like nothing better than to damage our sense of nation hood forever. We can't be defeated militarily but we can be defeated psychologically.




What psychological syndrome? Doesn't even register in our minds until our enemies start trolling on PDF. No Pakistani in or outside Pakistan gives a damn. Not even a thought. We are not like the indians who are obsessed with Pakistan and have not got over August the 14th 1947. Not an issue at all.
 

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The record needs to be set straight:

There were no more than 55,000 soldiers in East Pakistan, facing a combined force of nearly 9 times that amount. The figure of 93,000 surrendered is absolutely rubbish. In fact, the kill:death ratio of the army in East Pakistan is actually the best out of any conflict.

Another rubbish figure is 3,000,000 killed and 400,000 raped, which not even Bangladesh could prove. In fact, half of the genocide victims were Biharis and Pro Pakistani Bengalis.

Pakistan did not surrender to India. The Instrument of Surrender is to Bangladesh. If Pakistan surrendered to India then India would be in control of Kashmir, West Pakistan, and East Pakistan.

Pakistan was not defeated on the western front. India wasted time occupying miles of empty desert sand, while Pakistan captured land in the fertile lands of Punjab. In Kashmir, Pakistan liberated Chamb which can be used to attack Akhnoor and Jammu, while India occupied a few barren, cold, hills in Baltistan which are of no use.

9,000 Pak army soldiers died from MARCH to DECEMBER. The amount which died from the point when India intervened is far less.

The PAF suffered less casualties than the IAF.
 

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It simply a betrayal of key allies.... we take it as blessing creation of BD. BD politicians thought West Pak is sucking all their resources, otherwise BD would be Paris ...
 

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Castle is yet to be built that cannot b conquered...
No one can claim that they have never been defeated (except indians)...

U learn from your mistakes and move on...

Some lessons have been learned some needs to be more epmhasized..

For me key things are...

1- pakistans identity is tied to Islam. Any drift towards nationalism will tear us apart

2- ultra ethnic fascists need to be dealt with early and harshly... Without fear

3- extreme caution not to harm civilians even if they hate you... Its a complete no go

4- value of propaganda cannot b underestimated but I won't go the way indians have gone

5- tell your nation the truth as much as you can

6 - as for military engagement in East its hardly even worth a mention... No army in history has faced such odds and won.
But indians will keep reciting it caz that's all they have to show for 1100 years plus history

7- never trust other countries especially Western ones. They are your enemy not friend
 

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how we should handle the psychological impact on the generation today
i dont think most Pakistanis think of 1971 even once a year. so i dont see there being much psychological impact on us.

The psychological impact (quite evident on the PDF) of this social media manipulation is remarkable. When discussing Pakistan's history, social, and current affairs, almost every second or third thread contains the "magic" numerals "1971" in posts by members.
discussing 1971 only comes up and the pain associated with it when someone brings up 1971. i dont see what is wrong with feeling pain about what happened. people are human, so naturally when we are reminded of a bad event we are going to feel pain about what happened, the human cost of 1971, what we could have done different, why it happened, etc?

3. Our fervently religious patriots attribute our Civil War loss to the fact that we were not "good Muslims ", abandoning the spirit of the Ummah, and thus incurring divine displeasure. This despite the fact that most Muslim majority nations supported us during our Civil War in a display of Ummah solidarity never seen since. But for their support India would never have made the humbling concessions it did, swapping captured territories, and releasing ( and exchanging POWs ).
we werent good muslims in 1971, neither were the Bengalis. we arent good muslims now, neither are the bengalis. we wouldnt have so many problems if we were good muslims. it doesnt matter who most muslim countries supported in 1971. right and wrong isnt based on that. if most muslim countries support Israel, doesnt make Israel right and Palestine wrong.

4. Our ethno-nationalist insist that the Civil War was the result of racial disparity of our former brethren who were more culturally compatible with our enemy than with their Western wing countrymen
ethic politics definitely played a part and it was bound to happen because of the big geographical gap between West and East Pakistan. without practicing religion at the political level, East Pakistan was bound to become Bangladesh. religion is the only thing that properly looks past ethnicity, economic class, etc. we have ethnic politics happening in Sindh (PPP vs MQM, Sindhi vs Muhajir) and that has been a disaster for Sindh and Pakistan. but because they are geographically a part of Pakistan, they wont split away. but East Pakistan was far away, so once ethnicity became a big factor then East Pakistan was going to become Bangladesh and it was only a matter of time and how it happens (bloody or peaceful).

6. Patriots ( Type 1) constantly remember primarily the enemy involvement in the Civil War. It is the enemy on whom the blame lies, and our former brethren are entirely innocent, ; our own follies not withstanding.
everyone is to blame for what happened. India, West Pakistanis, East Pakistanis, Mujib, Bhutto, etc.

(a) Restore the faith and trust in our former brethren and take back our territory.
hell no. they are better off without us and we are better off without them. at least they have the same ethnicity and mother tongue which gives them enough to gel together and achieve political stability, economic prosperity and development. Bangladesh becoming East Pakistan again will bring our baggage into their affairs and cause them a lot of problems. we cant even deal with our own baggage, and bring East Pakistan and their politics into ours will make West Pakistan's problems even bigger. if Pakistan and Bangladesh dont practice Islam better, then we cant bridge the differences between us, so its better if we exist as different nations.

Facing the facts will help us rid us of the psychological trauma we suffer
i go through the trauma daily. there is hardly a day that goes by where i dont read Naseer Turabi's ghazal about East Pakistan leaving us. that ghazal became the title track for the hit show Humsafar. just facing the facts in a post here or there isnt going to make the trauma go away.
 
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Pakistan was not defeated on the western front. India wasted time occupying miles of empty desert sand, while Pakistan captured land in the fertile lands of Punjab. In Kashmir, Pakistan liberated Chamb which can be used to attack Akhnoor and Jammu, while India occupied a few barren, cold, hills in Baltistan which are of no use.
Absolutely Correct ! On the numbers of killed and captured you are spot on. Absolutely correct is the tactical situation in Kashmir which persists till today.

But we are looking at the aftermath which is far more important.
Declassified documents now show the precarious situation India found itself after the war, which caused it to rue its intervention.
Fearing that it would have to live permanently with a vengeful and rearming Pakistan India quickly dumped its ally and directly negotiated with Pakistan.
A victor in a war doesn't negotiate.
Much more to share but am looking forward to other PDF members sharing their thoughts.

The only way we can restore our sense of balance is by looking at facts like you pointed out.
 

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Facing the facts will help us rid us of the psychological trauma we suffer every time we visit a social media site, or forum. Our enemy would like nothing better than to damage our sense of nation hood forever. We can't be defeated militarily but we can be defeated psychologically.
Always a pleasure to read your insights.

However, allow me to respectfully disagree a little bit.

Loss of East Pakistan is called fall of dhaka for a reason. It was a military, political and social defeat for whatever the reason. And anyone who denies is sadly just denying a fact. Our two nation theory got a heavy beating and our stand on Kashmir was seriously damaged.

Had we separated like Czechoslovakia, it would have been different.

You are absolutely right that a counter narrative, which is in this case is truth, should be drilled down into the minds of our people especially among the younger generation.

However, forgetting this loss and convincing ourselves that it was bound to happen should not be the premise of our narrative.

For me, loss of east pakistan is a reminder that india is the ideological and civilizational enemy of muslims of subcontinent and particularly Pakistan the symbol of muslim sovereignty in S. Asia.

Just as Putin cannot gloss over the loss of Soviet Union, we shouldn't either.

We can however, thank india that its because of East Pakistan we became a nuclear state.
 

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The 1971 Civil War Psychological Syndrome, and how to beat it !
( Note: The intention of this opening post is not to discuss the causes of our Civil War and its military history , but the aftermath, and most important how we should handle the psychological impact on the generation today )

Most Pakistanis who personally experienced the Civil War of 1971, are either dead, or too old to care reliving or relating their experiences. The survivors are tired and silent. No one will listen to them as they fade away. Not even their own heirs or children.

Much of what dispassionate and neutral historians wrote is either inaccessible to the generation born after 1971. With the trillions of dollars backed Social Media industry, and its electronic footprint the younger generation has a significant attention deficiency problem, and would rather read a four line social media post, than a 500 page book written by a professional researcher. Very few books are available on the click of an internet search engine button and no one would have the patience to read them.

With a dominance over the Social Media our enemy is attempting the greatest psychological experiment in history in imbuing an entire generation with guilt, despair and frustration over a "historic defeat and humiliation." Likewise the enemy is also imbuing its own younger generation with extreme jingoism and religious fundamentalism reliving a glorious victory of a "1000 year revenge".

Pakistan is not the only nation in the world to have faced a Civil War, and military intervention by a hostile power. Other nations, U.K., U.S.A, Russia, China, Spain, Lebanon, Sudan, Ethiopia to name a few, have all faced Civil Wars. The Partition of British ruled India itself was a Civil War of sorts. Pakistan is the only nation that tortures itself over a Civil War, which actually was only waged and lost over a dog leg "swamp" that was artificially linked 1000 miles away. There are several parallels to this situation such as the French and Algerian connection, which we can discuss in later posts.

Other nations far bigger and more powerful than Pakistan have faced far more humiliating military defeats with far more reaching geo-political consequences and have moved on both psychologically and materially.

1. India was decisively defeated by China in 1962, with loss of territory that completely altered the geo-strategic equation.

2. The USA lost the "anti-communist" war in Vietnam ( 1975 ) leading to concessions to China.
(Paracel, and Spratly Islands, and later Hong Kong ).

3. The Soviet Union lost the war in Afghanistan and broke up (1988 ).

All resilient nations recover from the trauma of a Civil War and military intervention / defeat. Japan and Germany are the best examples.

Yet , no nation suffers from a psychological impact of a Civil War that had a relatively minor impact on it military capabilities as Pakistan

The psychological impact (quite evident on the PDF) of this social media manipulation is remarkable. When discussing Pakistan's history, social, and current affairs, almost every second or third thread contains the "magic" numerals "1971" in posts by members.

These magic numerals are used by both our enemy "guests", our former brethren,our very own patriots, fervent religious propagandists, ethnic nationalists and above all by self flagellating self hating fellow countrymen.
Let's take a look at how this "magic " number "1971" is used:

1. Our enemy uses 1971 to remind us that we are "vanquished defeated" nation and we will be defeated again this time on our own territory. This is feeding a dangerous delusion in the minds of the younger generation that might result in a very undesirable result for their nation.

2.Our former brethren and ally of our enemy reminds us of "1971" as a combination of the following :

(a) Their martial prowess and military strength is superior to ours since they won the Civil War.

(b) We are barbarians and savages who carried out massacres, rapes, and destruction during the Civil War for which our armed forces personnel need to be turned over for trial and execution as "war criminals ".

(c) We need to acknowledge our guilt and apologize ( Delhi agreements of 1973, 1974 don't count. We must live in shame forever.

(d) We need to surrender 50% of all our financial, and military ( air, naval, armored) , assets as a "division" following the conclusion of the war.

(e) It is all our fault.

3. Our fervently religious patriots attribute our Civil War loss to the fact that we were not "good Muslims ", abandoning the spirit of the Ummah, and thus incurring divine displeasure. This despite the fact that most Muslim majority nations supported us during our Civil War in a display of Ummah solidarity never seen since. But for their support India would never have made the humbling concessions it did, swapping captured territories, and releasing ( and exchanging POWs ).

4. Our ethno-nationalist insist that the Civil War was the result of racial disparity of our former brethren who were more culturally compatible with our enemy than with their Western wing countrymen ; ignoring the fact that cultural similarities with populations of two other neighbor countries have so far not produced a secessionist movement that remotely resembles the situation in 1971.

5. Self hating liberal democrats use the Civil War as a stick to beat
our armed forces reminding them of their "defeat" , and ignoring the fact that but for the brilliant performance of our armed forces in the West Pakistan would have been dismembered further with the loss of Azad Kashmir.

6. Patriots ( Type 1) constantly remember primarily the enemy involvement in the Civil War. It is the enemy on whom the blame lies, and our former brethren are entirely innocent, ; our own follies not withstanding.
We must therefore :
(a) Restore the faith and trust in our former brethren and take back our territory.
(b) Avenge 1971 by causing an enemy territory to secede.

7. Patriots (Type 2):
We will never forgive, never forget the treachery of our former brethren, We will never forgive, never forget, the "defeat" our enemy inflicted on us and we will avenge even if it takes 1000 years, or even if we mutually annihilate each other.

In the subsequent posts let us look at the immediate aftermath of the civil war, the present and the future.

Facing the facts will help us rid us of the psychological trauma we suffer every time we visit a social media site, or forum. Our enemy would like nothing better than to damage our sense of nation hood forever. We can't be defeated militarily but we can be defeated psychologically.
I don't suffer from any syndrome. What happened was incompetent and treacherous. They were the acts of people who no longer matter. Today we are a proud nations that fights am adversary far greater in size number and military strength. Alhumdulillah I am fellow Pakistanis stand with our heads held high.
So what the hell is this well written article about? Perhaps it's just you that needs this help. I certainly don't. I have travelled extensively in both India and Bangladesh and proudly told people I was Pakistani and no one mentioned 1971
 

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the only ones with a psychological syndrome are the indians who keep trying to portray the victory of the bangladeshi people as their own victory to hide their otherwise dismal military performance throughout the decades be it against a nation their own size like China, a nation 1/20th their size like Sri Lanka or a nation 1/6th their size like Pakistan. Having said that, Pakistanis need learn the lesson to never ever let traitors like bhutto and mujeeb come to the forefront of any political process.
 
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The 1971 Civil War Psychological Syndrome, and how to beat it !
( Note: The intention of this opening post is not to discuss the causes of our Civil War and its military history , but the aftermath, and most important how we should handle the psychological impact on the generation today )

Most Pakistanis who personally experienced the Civil War of 1971, are either dead, or too old to care reliving or relating their experiences. The survivors are tired and silent. No one will listen to them as they fade away. Not even their own heirs or children.

Much of what dispassionate and neutral historians wrote is either inaccessible to the generation born after 1971. With the trillions of dollars backed Social Media industry, and its electronic footprint the younger generation has a significant attention deficiency problem, and would rather read a four line social media post, than a 500 page book written by a professional researcher. Very few books are available on the click of an internet search engine button and no one would have the patience to read them.

With a dominance over the Social Media our enemy is attempting the greatest psychological experiment in history in imbuing an entire generation with guilt, despair and frustration over a "historic defeat and humiliation." Likewise the enemy is also imbuing its own younger generation with extreme jingoism and religious fundamentalism reliving a glorious victory of a "1000 year revenge".

Pakistan is not the only nation in the world to have faced a Civil War, and military intervention by a hostile power. Other nations, U.K., U.S.A, Russia, China, Spain, Lebanon, Sudan, Ethiopia to name a few, have all faced Civil Wars. The Partition of British ruled India itself was a Civil War of sorts. Pakistan is the only nation that tortures itself over a Civil War, which actually was only waged and lost over a dog leg "swamp" that was artificially linked 1000 miles away. There are several parallels to this situation such as the French and Algerian connection, which we can discuss in later posts.

Other nations far bigger and more powerful than Pakistan have faced far more humiliating military defeats with far more reaching geo-political consequences and have moved on both psychologically and materially.

1. India was decisively defeated by China in 1962, with loss of territory that completely altered the geo-strategic equation.

2. The USA lost the "anti-communist" war in Vietnam ( 1975 ) leading to concessions to China.
(Paracel, and Spratly Islands, and later Hong Kong ).

3. The Soviet Union lost the war in Afghanistan and broke up (1988 ).

All resilient nations recover from the trauma of a Civil War and military intervention / defeat. Japan and Germany are the best examples.

Yet , no nation suffers from a psychological impact of a Civil War that had a relatively minor impact on it military capabilities as Pakistan

The psychological impact (quite evident on the PDF) of this social media manipulation is remarkable. When discussing Pakistan's history, social, and current affairs, almost every second or third thread contains the "magic" numerals "1971" in posts by members.

These magic numerals are used by both our enemy "guests", our former brethren,our very own patriots, fervent religious propagandists, ethnic nationalists and above all by self flagellating self hating fellow countrymen.
Let's take a look at how this "magic " number "1971" is used:

1. Our enemy uses 1971 to remind us that we are "vanquished defeated" nation and we will be defeated again this time on our own territory. This is feeding a dangerous delusion in the minds of the younger generation that might result in a very undesirable result for their nation.

2.Our former brethren and ally of our enemy reminds us of "1971" as a combination of the following :

(a) Their martial prowess and military strength is superior to ours since they won the Civil War.

(b) We are barbarians and savages who carried out massacres, rapes, and destruction during the Civil War for which our armed forces personnel need to be turned over for trial and execution as "war criminals ".

(c) We need to acknowledge our guilt and apologize ( Delhi agreements of 1973, 1974 don't count. We must live in shame forever.

(d) We need to surrender 50% of all our financial, and military ( air, naval, armored) , assets as a "division" following the conclusion of the war.

(e) It is all our fault.

3. Our fervently religious patriots attribute our Civil War loss to the fact that we were not "good Muslims ", abandoning the spirit of the Ummah, and thus incurring divine displeasure. This despite the fact that most Muslim majority nations supported us during our Civil War in a display of Ummah solidarity never seen since. But for their support India would never have made the humbling concessions it did, swapping captured territories, and releasing ( and exchanging POWs ).

4. Our ethno-nationalist insist that the Civil War was the result of racial disparity of our former brethren who were more culturally compatible with our enemy than with their Western wing countrymen ; ignoring the fact that cultural similarities with populations of two other neighbor countries have so far not produced a secessionist movement that remotely resembles the situation in 1971.

5. Self hating liberal democrats use the Civil War as a stick to beat
our armed forces reminding them of their "defeat" , and ignoring the fact that but for the brilliant performance of our armed forces in the West Pakistan would have been dismembered further with the loss of Azad Kashmir.

6. Patriots ( Type 1) constantly remember primarily the enemy involvement in the Civil War. It is the enemy on whom the blame lies, and our former brethren are entirely innocent, ; our own follies not withstanding.
We must therefore :
(a) Restore the faith and trust in our former brethren and take back our territory.
(b) Avenge 1971 by causing an enemy territory to secede.

7. Patriots (Type 2):
We will never forgive, never forget the treachery of our former brethren, We will never forgive, never forget, the "defeat" our enemy inflicted on us and we will avenge even if it takes 1000 years, or even if we mutually annihilate each other.

In the subsequent posts let us look at the immediate aftermath of the civil war, the present and the future.

Facing the facts will help us rid us of the psychological trauma we suffer every time we visit a social media site, or forum. Our enemy would like nothing better than to damage our sense of nation hood forever. We can't be defeated militarily but we can be defeated psychologically.
Bangladesh was good riddance
 

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There is no trauma, East Pakistan was bound to get separated sooner or later because of its geography, it happens in 71 it's better, if it happens after Pakistan test nukes it would be even more embarrassing.
 

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The 1971 Civil War Psychological Syndrome, and how to beat it !
( Note: The intention of this opening post is not to discuss the causes of our Civil War and its military history , but the aftermath, and most important how we should handle the psychological impact on the generation today )

Most Pakistanis who personally experienced the Civil War of 1971, are either dead, or too old to care reliving or relating their experiences. The survivors are tired and silent. No one will listen to them as they fade away. Not even their own heirs or children.

Much of what dispassionate and neutral historians wrote is either inaccessible to the generation born after 1971. With the trillions of dollars backed Social Media industry, and its electronic footprint the younger generation has a significant attention deficiency problem, and would rather read a four line social media post, than a 500 page book written by a professional researcher. Very few books are available on the click of an internet search engine button and no one would have the patience to read them.

With a dominance over the Social Media our enemy is attempting the greatest psychological experiment in history in imbuing an entire generation with guilt, despair and frustration over a "historic defeat and humiliation." Likewise the enemy is also imbuing its own younger generation with extreme jingoism and religious fundamentalism reliving a glorious victory of a "1000 year revenge".

Pakistan is not the only nation in the world to have faced a Civil War, and military intervention by a hostile power. Other nations, U.K., U.S.A, Russia, China, Spain, Lebanon, Sudan, Ethiopia to name a few, have all faced Civil Wars. The Partition of British ruled India itself was a Civil War of sorts. Pakistan is the only nation that tortures itself over a Civil War, which actually was only waged and lost over a dog leg "swamp" that was artificially linked 1000 miles away. There are several parallels to this situation such as the French and Algerian connection, which we can discuss in later posts.

Other nations far bigger and more powerful than Pakistan have faced far more humiliating military defeats with far more reaching geo-political consequences and have moved on both psychologically and materially.

1. India was decisively defeated by China in 1962, with loss of territory that completely altered the geo-strategic equation.

2. The USA lost the "anti-communist" war in Vietnam ( 1975 ) leading to concessions to China.
(Paracel, and Spratly Islands, and later Hong Kong ).

3. The Soviet Union lost the war in Afghanistan and broke up (1988 ).

All resilient nations recover from the trauma of a Civil War and military intervention / defeat. Japan and Germany are the best examples.

Yet , no nation suffers from a psychological impact of a Civil War that had a relatively minor impact on it military capabilities as Pakistan

The psychological impact (quite evident on the PDF) of this social media manipulation is remarkable. When discussing Pakistan's history, social, and current affairs, almost every second or third thread contains the "magic" numerals "1971" in posts by members.

These magic numerals are used by both our enemy "guests", our former brethren,our very own patriots, fervent religious propagandists, ethnic nationalists and above all by self flagellating self hating fellow countrymen.
Let's take a look at how this "magic " number "1971" is used:

1. Our enemy uses 1971 to remind us that we are "vanquished defeated" nation and we will be defeated again this time on our own territory. This is feeding a dangerous delusion in the minds of the younger generation that might result in a very undesirable result for their nation.

2.Our former brethren and ally of our enemy reminds us of "1971" as a combination of the following :

(a) Their martial prowess and military strength is superior to ours since they won the Civil War.

(b) We are barbarians and savages who carried out massacres, rapes, and destruction during the Civil War for which our armed forces personnel need to be turned over for trial and execution as "war criminals ".

(c) We need to acknowledge our guilt and apologize ( Delhi agreements of 1973, 1974 don't count. We must live in shame forever.

(d) We need to surrender 50% of all our financial, and military ( air, naval, armored) , assets as a "division" following the conclusion of the war.

(e) It is all our fault.

3. Our fervently religious patriots attribute our Civil War loss to the fact that we were not "good Muslims ", abandoning the spirit of the Ummah, and thus incurring divine displeasure. This despite the fact that most Muslim majority nations supported us during our Civil War in a display of Ummah solidarity never seen since. But for their support India would never have made the humbling concessions it did, swapping captured territories, and releasing ( and exchanging POWs ).

4. Our ethno-nationalist insist that the Civil War was the result of racial disparity of our former brethren who were more culturally compatible with our enemy than with their Western wing countrymen ; ignoring the fact that cultural similarities with populations of two other neighbor countries have so far not produced a secessionist movement that remotely resembles the situation in 1971.

5. Self hating liberal democrats use the Civil War as a stick to beat
our armed forces reminding them of their "defeat" , and ignoring the fact that but for the brilliant performance of our armed forces in the West Pakistan would have been dismembered further with the loss of Azad Kashmir.

6. Patriots ( Type 1) constantly remember primarily the enemy involvement in the Civil War. It is the enemy on whom the blame lies, and our former brethren are entirely innocent, ; our own follies not withstanding.
We must therefore :
(a) Restore the faith and trust in our former brethren and take back our territory.
(b) Avenge 1971 by causing an enemy territory to secede.

7. Patriots (Type 2):
We will never forgive, never forget the treachery of our former brethren, We will never forgive, never forget, the "defeat" our enemy inflicted on us and we will avenge even if it takes 1000 years, or even if we mutually annihilate each other.

In the subsequent posts let us look at the immediate aftermath of the civil war, the present and the future.

Facing the facts will help us rid us of the psychological trauma we suffer every time we visit a social media site, or forum. Our enemy would like nothing better than to damage our sense of nation hood forever. We can't be defeated militarily but we can be defeated psychologically.
Fall of Dhaka is taught as a political subject in Pakistan.

It is never over.
 

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