Graveyard of empires

[Safriz]

you wish nukes to be dropped on FATA?

On Afghanistan yes..and a big one...may be a meteor strike will be better...

 

[Banglar Bagh]

There is only one way to stop the infighting.

They should be forced into a reconciliation with one another. For this, all of Afghanistan's neighbors must cooperate together and build a mutual understanding that fomenting wars and conflicts in Afghanistan has not and will never serve anyone interests. We as Pakistanis are witness to this fact.

Pakistan, Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and China are immediate neighbors of Afghanistan. All must come together to formulate a peace strategy for post 2014 Afghanistan that would be beneficial to all sides and would ensure that Afghanistan would never be used as a staging ground for terrorism.

Brother reconcilling them is not only difficult but impossible to be honest. But its upto them whether they want to fight upto end of times or will work unitedly for a better tomorrow. And only three players can ensure a stable and peaceful Afghanistan and they are US, Pakistan and Iran. I have met Afghans in real life and they are very nice and honest people. I would dearly love to see them in a better state. Also, some posters have crossed all limits in this thread by using extremely disrespectful comments against them just because they are poor. Wonder what they have been taught by their parents.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

daisy cutters were good enough to make the brave Talib@stards f@rt in their shalwars.

No I am not gloating at the misery of Talbinis.

Just pointing out the change and updates in the modern warfare.

Afghanistan has specific geography that provides natural resistance to large scale invasion.


However the same geography doesn't provide much cover to the air-attacks and surgical strikes by air-cavalry (a concept used in Afghanistan only from 1985 onwards).


I am an ardent student of insurgencies.

And Afghanistan is terrible country to run an insurgency in 2013.

because the terrain doesn't offer much to provide safe houses.


If Pakistani areas were off limits to Talb@stards, Afghan insurgency would have died in 3 months.

However Pakistan has paid enormous price in men and material.

Our losses are very similar to the losses of NATO troops,

And that's only because Pakistani nation is unwilling to see the downside of supporting Afghan insurgency.


Bottom line.


Pak-one doesn't know or realize that "Afghan aka graveyard of empires" is an obsolete concept very similar to the use of bow and arrow in 2013 warfare.


peace

Typical seculer, cheering for american invasion of Afghanistan....you are slave of west

 

[W.11]

Well pathans are not gandhis, you slap him he will shatter your skull in reply.

you included afghanis as pathans now please tell me are you willing to take the blame of afghani refugees, because if you wanted to be treated like afghanis then its your own choice

 

[Desert Fox]

railways was a British invention...so it wasn't just a Gift for sub continent it was a British gift to the world..
Meanwhile the only gift Afghanistan can give to the world in narcotics and illegal weapons
Guess who's gift is better...

Wait wait wait a second.

How did you forget that the British used Opium as a weapon to destroy Chinese society, and when the Chinese rebelled, the British went to war.

And then some people here are proud of serving the British Crown?

The import of Opium into China stood at 200 chests (annual) in 1729,[1] when the first anti-opium edict was promulgated.[2][3] This edict was weakly enforced,[3] and by the time Chinese authorities reissued the prohibition in starker terms in 1799,[4] the figure had leaped; 4,500 chests were imported in the year 1800.[1] The decade of the 1830s witnessed a rapid rise in opium trade,[5] and by 1838 (just before the first Opium War) it climbed to 40,000 chests.[1][5] The rise continued on after the Treaty of Nanking that concluded the war.[a] (See #Growth of opium trade below).

The opium trafficked into China had come from East India Company's operations in Bengal, British India, produced at its two factories in Patna and Benares.[7] In the 1820s, opium from Malwa in the non-British controlled parts of India became available, and as prices fell due to competition, production was stepped up.[7]

These commodities were carried by British merchants to the coast of China, where they sold for a good profit.

With the drain of silver and the growing number of the people becoming victims of the drug, the Daoguang Emperor demanded action. Officials at the court who advocated legalization of the trade in order to tax it, were defeated by those who advocated suppression. In 1838, the Emperor sent Lin Zexu to Guangzhou, where he quickly arrested Chinese opium dealers and summarily demanded that foreign firms turn over their stocks. When they refused, Lin stopped trade altogether and placed the foreign residents under virtual siege, eventually forcing the merchants to surrender their opium to be destroyed.

In response, the British government sent expeditionary forces from India, which ravaged the Chinese coast and dictated the terms of settlement. The Treaty of Nanking not only opened the way for further opium trade, but ceded territory including Hong Kong, unilaterally fixed Chinese tariffs at a low rate, granted extraterritorial rights to foreigners in China (which were not offered to Chinese abroad), a most favored nation clause, and diplomatic representation. When the court still refused to accept foreign ambassadors and obstructed the trade clauses of the treaties, disputes over the treatment of British merchants in Chinese ports and on the seas led to the Second Opium War and the Treaty of Tientsin.[8]

Opium Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

On Afghanistan yes..and a big one...may be a meteor strike will be better...

What about FATA? do u also support dropping nukes on FATA because it is headache for pak army.

 

[Safriz]

Well pathans are not gandhis, you slap him he will shatter your skull in reply.

Good .. you are same as Blacks of west Africa or Somalia or even USA...they are exactly the same...

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

you included afghanis as pathans now please tell me are you willing to take the blame of afghani refugees, because if you wanted to be treated like afghanis then its your own choice

So you are saying that this qasba colony massacre was work of afghan refugees?

 

[Safriz]

What about FATA? do u also support dropping nukes on FATA because it is headache for pak army.

Once Afghan menace is dealt with,all will be fine...lthough FATA in its current state is nothing less than a cancer attached to Pakistan

 

[FaujHistorian]

Typical seculer, cheering for american invasion of Afghanistan....you are slave of west

you must be confusing me with Karazai and his 40,000 ANA guys.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Once Afghan menace is dealt with,all will be fine...lthough FATA in its current state is nothing less than a cancer attached to Pakistan

So you are suggesting nukes for this cancer of pakistan aka FATA?

 

[FaujHistorian]

Once Afghan menace is dealt with,all will be fine.n

Not sure what you mean with this.

. FATA in its current state is nothing less than a cancer attached to Pakistan

We the majority of Pakistanis have let it fester as a cancerous wound, but not removing FCR.


Even though an ordinary tribal may support FCR, but we must offer him a modern civilian system instead of trapping him with stone age laws.


peace

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

@Dreamreaper your views are very similar to @safriz

 

[W.11]

So you are saying that this qasba colony massacre was work of afghan refugees?

mere bhai dekho

start getting civilised

its too much that you guys imitate like stone age afghanis, you imitated afghanis by making TTP, you imitated afghanis by following that sarhadi gandhi bacha khan as ANP, you imitate afghanis by being drug smugglers, weapon smugglers etc

you tried to be anti pakistani just like afghans

sooner or later you will realise that afghans are your worst enemy and pakistanis are not

try to read the entire history of qazba colony and katti pahari massacre and then ask me if you still have ay confusion

karachi is open for any pathan who doesnt want to imitate afghani, if you want to be pakistani then we all have space in our hearts for you

in karachi we dont categorise afghanis and pathans as same, we still classify them as different class because pakistan is still your country, an afghani is an illegal refugee who hates pakistan and spreads various crimes, but its you who still want to become an afghani thats not our problem

i close my case here

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Despite of all its tribal warfares and 90s civil war, Afghan are living togather in the same country for last 3 centuries. Same can be said about new nation like pakistani? Just after 24 years of its creation, half of pakistanis separated as bangladeshis after bloody civil war....balochs are in rebellion since 1947. Some Sindhis threaten of sindhodesh. Mohajirs are in ethnic riots with every one. Pashtuns belt has taliban problem....sectarian violence in punjab and quetta. Are you better than afghans?

And still The Pakistanis r living together.
Same cant be said About Afghanistan where most of the area is not under gov control n after 2014 is very likely to be disinterested.

Despite of all its tribal warfares and 90s civil war, Afghan are living togather in the same country for last 3 centuries. Same can be said about new nation like pakistani? Just after 24 years of its creation, half of pakistanis separated as bangladeshis after bloody civil war....balochs are in rebellion since 1947. Some Sindhis threaten of sindhodesh. Mohajirs are in ethnic riots with every one. Pashtuns belt has taliban problem....sectarian violence in punjab and quetta. Are you better than afghans?

And still The Pakistanis r living together.
Same cant be said About Afghanistan where most of the area is not under gov control n after 2014 is very likely to be Broken in to small princely states.