Graveyard of empires

[W.11]

But people dont employ afghans for chokidari and driveri?...
And let me remind you it were urduspeakers who started huge ethnic riots after a pathan driver (who later turned out to be mirpuri) killed mohajir girl in road accident...the civilized and educated mohajirs turned the simple accident into anti-pathan riots and started attacking pathans all over the city....it reminds me of india where small incident, a small mistake by muslim sparks huge anti-muslim riots by hindus.

try to read about qazba coloney and katti pahari massacre and then come to talk about stuff

 

[Safriz]

So, was Pakistan army present to train and fund Afghans during the First Anglo Afghan War when Afghans defeated British Indian Army (which was largely made up of Punjabis)?

Was Pakistan Army present to fund and train Afghans when the British again invaded Afghanistan in the Second Anglo Afghan war and were again defeated by the Afghans?

Was the Pakistan Army present to fund and train the Afghan during the Third Anglo Afghan war in which, again, the Afghans defeated the British.

You are comparing a Half hearted British "Try" with a Full fledged well funded and well equipped invasion by a Super power...
Also you are forgetting the Diplomatic efforts Pakistan did to save Afghans,,or throwing a few 20 megton Nukes to show Afghans their real place,and turn afghanistan into molten glass wasn't difficult for USSR

 

[FaujHistorian]

I am anti-establishment but not anti-pakistan.

Off course.

Why would you pick a handle like Pak-one, anyways.

The problem is that many a times anti-establishment folks cross the line, in their zeal to bring down the "establishment", they end up harming the country.


Oh

And a pro-establishment person can also bring a positive change.


thus the real question is not about who is anti-establishment.

Instead, who is pro-progress and pro-positive change.

because
Every thief, every robber, and every corrupt person is by definition "anti-establishment".

I am sure you don't want to be included in this erstwhile list.


thank you

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Sorry I am sony man. Chalo I will ask again when I come. If you are still scared then what can I say.

Yar how old are you?.........go play some boxing game on playstation.

 

[RangerPK]

I think it would be better if Afghans do not fight each other and do not attack and kill Muslims.

When Afghans fight each other and kill Muslims, obviously it is unfortunate for themselves...but some how it also makes a mess for their neighbors.

I heard that when Muslims fight each other, Allah makes them cowards and give authority to Kaffirs over them. The Afghanis fight each other, and this invites foreign invaders to their lands. If they become united, peaceful among themselves and with their Muslim neighbours. I think it would be beneficial for everyone. In this world and the hereafter.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

You are comparing a Half hearted British "Try" with a Full fledged well funded and well equipped invasion by a Super power...
Also you are forgetting the Diplomatic efforts Pakistan did to save Afghans,,or throwing a few 20 megton Nukes to show Afghans their real place,and turn afghanistan into molten glass wasn't difficult for USSR

Russia , America, india etc would never use nukes on its enemies but same cant be said about crazy faujis of pakistan. They are threat to world peace. Not only pakistani nukes are threat to india and afghanistan but i am afraid faujis can also use nukes on FATA as last resort.

 

[Desert Fox]

You are comparing a Half hearted British "Try" with a Full fledged well funded and well equipped invasion by a Super power...
Also you are forgetting the Diplomatic efforts Pakistan did to save Afghans,,or throwing a few 20 megton Nukes to show Afghans their real place,and turn afghanistan into molten glass wasn't difficult for USSR

1).Okay, so the British Empire, the so called "super power" of its time, made not one, not two, but three attempts at invading Afghanistan. And they were "half hearted" attempts?

How so? Perhaps if it was one attempt, but three only implies the importance of Afghanistan to the overall British strategy in the region and no one would make "half hearted" attempts thrice to take over a strategic location, least of all a so called "world power".

2). Those funds were provided by Saudis, weapons were from mostly Soviet Allies and a few Western countries, training was given by Pakistan Spec forces.

No denying the Pakistani part in the war. However fact remains, that it was more than a million Afghans who lost their lives in the bitter struggle to free their country from the claws of the Soviet Bear.

 

[Wright]

The Greeks faced the greatest resistance in modern-day Afghanistan. From all people, Iranians (Persians, Kurds, Pashtuns) have never been conquered culturally or intellectually. Alexander died wearing Persian clothes.

How did you absorb Arab customs and religion?

 

[Safriz]

Russia , America, india etc would never use nukes on its enemies but same cant be said about crazy faujis of pakistan. They are threat to world peace. Not only pakistani nukes are threat to india and afghanistan but i am afraid faujis can also use nukes on FATA as last resort.

Actually somebody did propose use of Nuclear weapons on Afghanistan pretty recently...Goes to show hoe fed up the world is with this little bed bug called Afghanistan...


Lord Gilbert Suggests Dropping A Neutron Bomb On Pakistan-Afghanistan Border

 

[Surenas]

How did you absorb Arab customs and religion?

We didn't not absorb Arab customs.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

Actually somebody did propose use of Nuclear weapons on Afghanistan pretty recently...Goes to show hoe fed up the world is with this little bed bug called Afghanistan...


Lord Gilbert Suggests Dropping A Neutron Bomb On Pakistan-Afghanistan Border

you wish nukes to be dropped on FATA?

 

[Surenas]

Iranians not conquered culturally or intellectually?

I think you are just being intellectually dishonest, and are not fooling anyone but yourself with that statement. Do you know about Zoroastrianism (a native Persian religion), which was completely wiped out of the face of the Earth by Islamic invasion? Iran (Persia) got absolutely plundered, raped and destroyed by Islamic invaders, and lost most of its cultural and religious roots (sadly)...

Bullcrap. Our most celebrated festivities are still Zoroastrianism in origin: Nowruz, Yalda, Chaharshanbe Suri, Sepandarmazgan, etc.

 

[Safriz]

1).
No denying the Pakistani part in the war. However fact remains, that it was more than a million Afghans who lost their lives in the bitter struggle to free their country from the claws of the Soviet Bear.

Forget about how many Afghans dies during the war..
Try to remember ho many Chopped each others heads, tugging for power,soon after USSR left...I am sure the numbers will exceed those killed during the actual war...
Goes to show that these people are addicted to bloodshed..If they cant fight against a foreign power,they will fight among each other....

 

[FaujHistorian]

You are comparing a Half hearted British "Try" with a Full fledged well funded and well equipped invasion by a Super power...
Also you are forgetting the Diplomatic efforts Pakistan did to save Afghans,,or throwing a few 20 megton Nukes to show Afghans their real place,and turn afghanistan into molten glass wasn't difficult for USSR

daisy cutters were good enough to make the brave Talib@stards f@rt in their shalwars.

No I am not gloating at the misery of Talbinis.

Just pointing out the change and updates in the modern warfare.

Afghanistan has specific geography that provides natural resistance to large scale invasion.


However the same geography doesn't provide much cover to the air-attacks and surgical strikes by air-cavalry (a concept used in Afghanistan only from 1985 onwards).


I am an ardent student of insurgencies.

And Afghanistan is terrible country to run an insurgency in 2013.

because the terrain doesn't offer much to provide safe houses.


If Pakistani areas were off limits to Talb@stards, Afghan insurgency would have died in 3 months.

However Pakistan has paid enormous price in men and material.

Our losses are very similar to the losses of NATO troops,

And that's only because Pakistani nation is unwilling to see the downside of supporting Afghan insurgency.


Bottom line.


Pak-one doesn't know or realize that "Afghan aka graveyard of empires" is an obsolete concept very similar to the use of bow and arrow in 2013 warfare.


peace

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

try to read about qazba coloney and katti pahari massacre and then come to talk about stuff

Well pathans are not gandhis, you slap him he will shatter your skull in reply.