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Govt offers to buy 200 foreign fighter jets - if they're Made-in-India

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India has kick-started a race to supply fighter jets for its air force in what could be among the world’s most lucrative military aerospace contracts, with international defence companies lining up to pitch for as much as $10bn worth of business.

Companies worldwide have received letters in the past few days from the Indian government asking whether they would be willing to partner with an Indian company to produce a fleet of single-engine fighter jets for the Indian air force.

A letter was sent via Indian embassies to both Saab of Sweden and Lockheed Martin of the US, while industry executives say letters were also received by Germany, Italy and Russia. It is unclear, however, whether the latter three were handed the same request, given none of those countries makes modern military fighter aircraft of the required single-engine type.

The move indicates that in its haste to replace its ageing fleet of jets, India is willing to upend its normal tendering process and do a deal more quickly.

Randall Howard, director of the integrated fighter group at Lockheed Martin, said: “There is a sense of urgency from the Indian air force because its need is so great. This would be one of the largest fighter jet orders ever made.”

He added: “We received the letter in the past few days and we have started conversations with the air force to ask what they are looking for and what are their requirements.”

The request comes just weeks after India signed a contract with France to buy 36 twin-engined Rafale jets built by French company Dassault. New Delhi had originally asked for 126 aircraft, but negotiations fell apart over disagreements over how much of the manufacturing would be done in India — something the Indian government has been pushing for more of under the campaign “Make in India”.

The reduction in the deal has left the air force well below the capability its chiefs say is needed as its current fleet of MiG 21s reaches the end of its life. The Rafale deal will take the force from 33 squadrons (of between 16 and 18 aircraft) to 35, but senior officers say it needs another 10 squadrons, especially with tensions on the Pakistan border once more on the rise.

The letter appears to confirm that government officials have accepted that there is a capability gap that needs filling quickly, and already companies have begun to lobby officials in New Delhi.


Jean Yves le Drian, French defence minister, left, and Manohar Parrikar, Indian defence minister, sign the the deal for 36 French Rafale fighter jets in New Delhi last month © AFP
Sweden’s Saab has said industry estimates at the time of the previous tender had suggested that there could eventually be demand for up to 200 aircraft, while Lockheed Martin said it would like to supply at least 100 to achieve economies of scale. Neither company will say how much they expect for such an order, but experts say it is likely to be well above the €8bn Dassault will receive for its 36 jets.

Speaking from New Delhi, Mr Howard said: “There are 3,200 F-16s being flown around the world today and they would all be supplied [with components] from India, as well as new ones being built there.”

He added:“This is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the Indian defence industry.”

Meanwhile Saab, whose Gripen jet is the main competitor to the F-16, is also promising to transfer the skills and technology that would allow Indian companies to manufacture the bulk of the fighters needed on their own, as it has done in Brazil. An initial batch would produced by Saab with Indian partners, as part of the transfer.

Both are so-called “fourth generation” fighter jets.

Robert Hewson, a spokesman for Saab, said: “India would get the ability to design and build a combat aircraft, optimised for Indian requirements, from the ground up. We are fully aware of the need to follow the Make in India rules to the letter and we are ready.”

Saab’s case is built partly on cost, with the Gripen having the lowest operating costs of any western combat aircraft, according to IHS Jane’s, the defence consultancy. Saab also believes it would be easier for India to integrate its own weapons systems on to the Gripen as it will not come with as many export restrictions as US aircraft.

The Indian government’s apparent desire to buy single-engine aircraft appears to leave both Dassault and Eurofighter with little hope of securing the contract, despite having been the final two companies in the bidding during the last tender process.

Both the Rafale and Eurofighter’s Typhoon jet are twin-engined jets and so do not fit New Delhi’s requirements.

Whatever New Delhi does eventually decide, it is likely to transform either the company involved or the Indian defence industry, or both.

Walter Ladwig, a lecturer in international relations at King’s College, said: “This is a globally significant deal whichever way India goes.

“Building the entire world's fleet of F-16s would put India in a very important position as a global supplier and could help it leapfrog other countries with new technology. But for Saab, selling that many would be huge, it would make India by far its largest and highest-profile customer.”

seem like things are moving toward f16, better...

There are advantage of both F16/Gripen vs their disadvantages.

If India choose F16, then India will become center of global supplies of F16 parts for near 4000 F16s flying across the world, but US may not be willing to transfer all technologies.

Gripen on the other hand will transfer whatever technologies India asks for, but India cannot become a hub of global defense supplies.
 
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Koi v chalegi.. Par jaldi karo.. Don't repeat MMRCA :hitwall:

The good thing about these new deals with RAFALE, F-16s & Gripen are they have already been evaluated for most part even though we are receiving an upgraded versions in all the cases than the one that were evaluated.

F-16 deal would be closed during first half of 2017 and the F-16 plant in India would be ready by end of 2018.
 
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there is no such thing as mood swing its all about an art of keeping yourself relevent and still keeping your intersts foremost in a way that the other party(powerfull party) does not thinks that we are forcing your agenda on them

why would USA have a so called "mood swing" if we dont play double gamwe and still dont let the USA deviate from the deal while still keeping the bragain alive ?
In 1965,despite of Pakistani military alliance with Pakistan united states denied weaponry to Pakistan military. That's the depth of American military cooperation.

Only fools will go behind us,and present government is behavior is like that of afool.
 
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First it was the lightweight LCA that was to form the backbone of IAF, then they needed twin engine multirole fighters to do the job hence MMRCA, now they want single engine medium weight fighter. Do they themselves know what really they want IAF/Government?
 
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In 1965,despite of Pakistani military alliance with Pakistan united states denied weaponry to Pakistan military. That's the depth of American military cooperation.

Only fools will go behind us,and present government is behavior is like that of afool.
when millitarry allience means giving AID to the other ally which despite reminders keep creating trouble not just for itself but for others in the regon and your own long term intersts tell me how will you make him go slow in his quest to shoot himself and your long term intersts in the foot ? thats why US stopped assiting pakistan despite pacts like CENTO CEATO and the other issue was despite bieng in US group ZAB had bigger ambitions to make fourth power block (islamik block funded by new found oil money of arabs )a NAM like body which was trying to pose competition to US and soviet blocks already established

thing is all these anty US logics are given by old congress and communist minded beurocracy , media and politician lobbies for the obvious reason cause if NaMo succeeds in this endevour now they all know they would never be able to come in good terms with USA ever again

so any day for my nations defence il swallow my ego and go with USA and its cutting edge weapons tech even if it means some of my friends teasing me or making fun of me before my immidiate enemy and even sidding with it on trivial matters to hurt my ego

10-12 full squads of F16 Blk 70/72 at 150millon$$s overall costs with complete TOT under MII + mantainence infrastructure + weapons pakage + training is good enof for me when it means a single Blk 70/72 is as good as 4-5 Blk 52
 
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Govt offers to buy 200 foreign fighter jets - if they're Made-in-India
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NEW DELHI: India is offering to buy hundreds of fighter planes from foreign manufacturers - as long as the jets are made in India and with a local partner, Indian Air Force(IAF) officials say.

A deal for 200 single-engine planes produced in India - which the Air Force says could rise to 300 as it fully phases out ageing Soviet-era aircraft - could be worth anything from $13-$15 billion, experts say, potentially one of the country's biggest military aircraft deals.

After a deal to buy high-end Rafale planes from France's Dassault was scaled back to just 36 jets last month, the Indian Air Force is desperately trying to speed up other acquisitions and arrest a fall in operational strength, now a third less than required to face both China and Pakistan.

But Prime Minister Narendra Modi's administration wants any further military planes to be built in India with an Indian partner to kickstart a domestic aircraft industry, and end an expensive addiction to imports.

Lockheed Martin said it is interested in setting up a production line for its F-16 plane in India for not just the Indian military, but also for export.

And Sweden's Saab has offered a rival production line for its Gripen aircraft, setting up an early contest for one of the biggest military plane deals in play.

"The immediate shortfall is 200. That would be the minimum we would be looking at," said an air officer briefed on the Make-in-India plans under which a foreign manufacturer will partner local firms to build the aircraft with technology transfer.

The defence ministry has written to several companies asking if they would be willing to set up an assembly line for single-engine fighter planes in India and the amount of technology transfer that would happen, another government source said.

"We are testing the waters, testing the foreign firms' willingness to move production here and to find out their expectations," the person said.

Operational gaps

The IAF originally planned for 126 Rafale twin-engine fighters from Dassault, but the two sides could not agree on the terms of local production with a state-run Indian firm and settled for 36 planes in a fly-away condition.

Adding to the military's problems is India's three-decade effort to build a single-engine fighter of its own which was meant to be the backbone of the Air Force. Only two of those Light Combat Aircraft, called Tejas, have been delivered to the IAF which has ordered 140 of them.

The Indian Air Force is down to 32 operational squadrons compared with the 45 it has said are necessary, and in March the vice chief Air Marshal BS Dhanoa told parliament's defence committee that it didn't have the operational strength to fight a two front war against China and Pakistan.

Jet makers respond

Saab said it was ready to not only produce its frontline Gripen fighter in India, but help build a local aviation industry base.

"We are very experienced in transfer of technology - our way of working involves extensive cooperation with our partners to establish a complete ecosystem, not just an assembly line," said Jan Widerstrom, chairman and managing director, Saab India Technologies.

He confirmed Saab had received the letter from the Indian government seeking a fourth generation fighter. A source close to the company said that while there was no minimum order set in stone for it to lay down a production line, they would expect to build at least 100 planes at the facility.

Lockheed Martin said it had responded to the defence ministry's letter with an offer to transfer the entire production of its F-16 fighter to India.

"Exclusive F-16 production in India would make India home to the world's only F-16 production facility, a leading exporter of advanced fighter aircraft, and offer Indian industry the opportunity to become an integral part of the world's largest fighter aircraft supply chain," Abhay Paranjape, National Executive for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Business Development in India said in an email.

US top supplier

Lockheed's offer comes on the back of expanding US-India military ties in which Washington has emerged as India's top arms supplier in recent years, ousting old ally Russia.

Earlier this year Boeing also offered India its twin-engine F/A-18 Hornets, but the level of technology transfer was not clear.

India has never previously attempted to build a modern aircraft production line, whether military or civilian. State-run Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) has assembled Russian combat jets including the Su-30, but these are under licensed production.

"We have never had control over technology. This represents the most serious attempt to build a domestic base. A full or a near-full tech transfer lays the ground for further development," said retired Indian air marshal M Matheswaran, a former adviser at HAL.

He said the Indian government would be looking at producing at least 200 fighters, and then probably some more, to make up for the decades of delay in modernising the Indian Air Force.

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you are going to operate at least 5 different variant of aircraft from 3 country ??? F-16 probably the winner of 200 jet .
future fleet seems around 900 top class fighter will end any kind of balance in south Asia .
 
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Who need the balance ??? We have to save our borders from China who operates 3 times more fighters then India ..... its already a huge gap .

On topic what kind of offers SAAB is giving for Gripen ?? i remember Arup Raha flew Gripen in Sweden some months back.

you are going to operate at least 5 different variant of aircraft from 3 country ??? F-16 probably the winner of 200 jet .
future fleet seems around 900 top class fighter will end any kind of balance in south Asia .
 
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Who need the balance ??? We have to save our borders from China who operates 3 times more fighters then India ..... its already a huge gap .

On topic what kind of offers SAAB is giving for Gripen ?? i remember Arup Raha flew Gripen in Sweden some months back.


The problem with Gripen is that they won't be ready until 2024. SAAB JV deal would replace LCA MK2.
 
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I think India is trolling once again
probably not this time.
MMRCA was ambitious and conducted well as far as technical evaluations were concerned.
Problem arose when commercial negotiations started and lack of flexibility from both India and France led to a stalemate like situation.
Now with bureaucracy taking its own sweet time to decide, our Air Force is in a situation where desperate measures are required to make up the numbers. I'm not sure what platform we'll end up purchasing, but surely its a question of making up squadron numbers on Light weight category and i'm pretty sure, LCA numbers will get cut down.
at the same time, i see more Rafale coming though not immediately but certainly after 2020-21.

@dadeechi
till @PARIKRAMA returns you are our man now on these issues

F-16 probably the winner of 200 jet .
Sir, i'm not that certain, but if LM wins the race, it would come with significant sweeteners (read F35 offers in future) and AESA radar assistance.
 
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The problem with Gripen is that they won't be ready until 2024. SAAB JV deal would replace LCA MK2.
SAAB is just trying to fool us and both PMO & MOD have made up there minds against SAAB and grippen while there is a very strong lobby in IAF which favours SAAB now which earlier use to favour russkies above everything and dint blink before sabotaging a competeting indian effort if there was any in any kind of weapons related deal
 
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