Govt can invoke Article 6 to try terror suspects instead of military courts: SC

[VCheng]

Hi,
MC will ensure swift and speedy trial to those sucmbags free from political influence.
Which SC can hardly deliver

Only if their setup is legal. Otherwise they are just a glorified execution squad whose decisions will come back to haunt everyone.

Which is why the SC's final decision is immensely important.

 

[salarsikander]

Only if their setup is legal. Otherwise they are just a glorified execution squad whose decisions will come back to haunt everyone.

Which is why the SC's final decision is immensely important.

Hi,
What good is the decision if SC doesn't take any decision ?

 

[VCheng]

Hi,
What good is the decision if SC doesn't take any decision ?

It will, and quite soon, as the news story I posted above indicates.

 

[salarsikander]

It will, and quite soon, as the news story I posted above indicates.

Hi,
yes, other than undermining the resolve of terrorism, I cant think of anything else

 

[VCheng]

Hi,
yes, other than undermining the resolve of terrorism, I cant think of anything else

Actually, I disagree here. I think that after APS, nobody can undermine the national resolve to fight terrorism. The disagreement may only be in the details like MCs vs regular courts.

 

[salarsikander]

So, what exactly is your solution

Hi,
We cant afford to go through all the chaos and everything you just mentioned, our neighbour who happens to be six times our size is just waiting for the opportune moment, having nuke warheads in hand. Total anarchy is the last thing we would expect to happen, hence which is why army comes in.

As I jhave said i am not at all undermining the situation. but i would only support the system if its supports the right people.
if only qualified and competent people are there.

And as of now you can witness it yourself

 

[Gufi]

Making a parallel system does nothing to improving the system proper, and hence wrong.

You are familiar with evidence based on numbers. Compare the numbers and tell me if it has improved. That is the total argument I will give you

 

[salarsikander]

Actually, I disagree here. I think that after APS, nobody can undermine the national resolve to fight terrorism. The disagreement may only be in the details like MCs vs regular courts.

Hi,

the fact that hanging of terrorist had to be delayed is the very proof of such undermining move, even after such tragedy

 

[VCheng]

You are familiar with evidence based on numbers. Compare the numbers and tell me if it has improved. That is the total argument I will give you

The security situation has improved undoubtedly. Equally, the soft coup has undermined civilian authority once again, which is the worse tradeoff, the costs of which remain to be seen.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Hi,
We cant afford to go through all the chaos and everything you just mentioned, our neighbour who happens to be six times our size is just waiting for the opportune moment, having nuke warheads in hand. Total anarchy is the last thing we would expect to happen, hence which is why army comes in.

As I jhave said i am not at all undermining the situation. but i would only support the system if its supports the right people.
if only qualified and competent people are there.

And as of now you can witness it yourself

That makes sense, so it is right to say that you are attempting fix the system only and do not prefer radical change that would seek to destroy what little progress has been made?

If so, then you're no different to me. Then our cause of argument is the effectiveness of democracy and why it hasn't worked for Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

Hi,

the fact that hanging of terrorist had to be delayed is the very proof of such undermining move, even after such tragedy

Please keep in mind the repercussions of large scale executions without due process.

 

[Jungibaaz]

You are familiar with evidence based on numbers. Compare the numbers and tell me if it has improved. That is the total argument I will give you

This sort of measurement won't work in the long term. For example, Musharraf's later years were undoubtedly better than the late 90's and democracies. But for all that, he set us up to fall twice as hard when he left, he brought back the same old goons and incompetent people to rule us again, and many of the issues today developed under his later years, just didn;t surface until later.

This argument is not effective when considering long term effects.

 

[salarsikander]

That makes sense, so it is right to say that you are attempting fix the system only and do not prefer radical change that would seek to destroy what little progress has been made?

If so, then you're no different to me. Then our cause of argument is the effectiveness of democracy and why it hasn't worked for Pakistan.

Hi,
Yes, I have previously mentioned in my posts that I for one find it very insulting for the men in uniform to leave their posts and come to run civil administration, These people are not designed for such stuff. But if there's total anarchy then someone has to take the matter into their own hands.

I would prefer a strong vibrant democracy which is backed by qualified and unbiased people solely working for the intrest of country

 

[VCheng]

I would prefer a strong vibrant democracy which is backed by qualified and unbiased people solely working for the intrest of country

Such a vibrant system can evolve only over decades, if only the Army does not uproot it every once so often. Does that seem familiar?

 

[salarsikander]

Please keep in mind the repercussions of large scale executions without due process.

Hi,
or should one consider, buying them enough time to regroup and keep the men in uniform engaged with them, so that men in white collar and men in black coats legalize all the black stuff?