Govt can invoke Article 6 to try terror suspects instead of military courts: SC

[VCheng]

Hi,

The Job of SC is to dispense justice, right?
When it fails to deliver, which it has quite many times, then where should a country like Pakistan fall back to provide justice in state of war ?

So what does a democracy do when it is at war with itself and with its own citizenry and in its own territory? Why does the same SC that was acceptable when 50,000 civilians are killed suddenly become unacceptable when Army's own are killed in APS, or when it tries to protect citizens from enforced illegal disappearances?

 

[salarsikander]

So what does a democracy do when it is at war with itself and with its own citizenry and in its own territory? Why does the same SC that was acceptable when 50,000 civilians are killed suddenly become unacceptable when Army's own are killed in APS, or when it tries to protect citizens from enforced illegal disappearances?

Hi,

what you see in pakistan is not at all democracy, Do you think people with fake degree with past criminals records should be accepted as leader, or people who haven't been to school ?

Non sense, This nation requires dramatic examples.

Those children were citizen too nevertheless, who had nothing to do with war.

when those little poor souls were wasted, that was it! that was enough. SC was never acceptable for not dispensing justice but it was only after Military tighten the cork, civilians got the choice to demand from justice from them. If they cant, then let MC do its job swiftly

 

[VCheng]

Hi,

what you see in pakistan is not at all democracy, Do you think people with fake degree with past criminals records should be accepted as leader, or people who haven't been to school ?

Non sense, This nation requires dramatic examples.

Those children were citizen too nevertheless, who had nothing to do with war.

when those little poor souls were wasted, that was it! that was enough. SC was never acceptable for not dispensing justice but it was only after Military tighten the cork, civilians got the choice to demand from justice from them. If they cant, then let MC do its job swiftly

These are all well-worn excuses to justify military overreach of authority, which usually culminates in Martial Law.

 

[salarsikander]

These are all well-worn excuses to justify military overreach of authority, which usually culminates in Martial Law.

Hi,
so the death of little poor souls is an excuse? for what MArtial law?
i didn't see after such incident army demanding anything.

And these were the same democratic leader who were bashing army for not making peace deal with savages who are hell bent on destroying the very fabric of society

 

[VCheng]

Hi,
so the death of little poor souls is an excuse? for what MArtial law?
i didn't see after such incident army demanding anything.

And these were the same democratic leader who were bashing army for not making peace deal with savages who are hell bent on destroying the very fabric of society

Please note that I condemn the deaths of the innocents at APS strongly and unequivocally.

Having said that, there is no doubt that the jolt that it gave the nation has been used to manipulate the nation into establishing military courts.

 

[salarsikander]

Please note that I condemn the deaths of the innocents at APS strongly and unequivocally.

Having said that, there is no doubt that the jolt that it gave the nation has been used to manipulate the nation into establishing military courts.

Hi,
If SC had dispensed its justice, situation would have not come to the level where the terrorists would dare to attack APS.
But since SC failed to deliver the justice. we saw the courage of those savages

 

[VCheng]

Hi,
If SC had dispensed its justice, situation would have not come to the level where the terrorists would dare to attack APS.
But since SC failed to deliver the justice. we saw the courage of those savages

Sir, the direct retaliatory cause of the APS attack was the ZeA operation.

 

[salarsikander]

Sir, the direct retaliatory cause of the APS attack was the ZeA operation.

Hi,
If the justice was dispensed there would have been no need for ZEA to begin with

 

[VCheng]

Hi,
If the justice was dispensed there would have been no need for ZEA to begin with

Sir, please do consider the role of the Army in nurturing the good Taliban in FATA as part of its greater strategy before you lay all the blame on the SC, and then losing control of them, not due to a lack of justice, but a lack of long term thinking on their own part.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Hi,
The analogy would only work if all the civil institution are free from elected governments influence.

That is the goal of democracy, not something that one must demand a few years in. Would you ask a toddler to be able to show an understanding of quantum mechanics?

Sticking with the UK example, it was a democracy well before this century too. There was a time where rigging was WAY worse than it is in Pakistan today. There was a time, where only royals, lords and land/estate owners could vote. The working class was only really represented at the turn of the last century, and just after world war two.

These things aren't to be demanded from the very start, this is both unreasonable and missing the bigger picture.

Prosperity and proper conduct is not a CAUSE of successful democracy in the first instance, but it is an EFFECT.

In UK, for instance you have watchdog and ombudsman services which is in addition to the those intitutions own complaints and grievances department, which acts as check and balance system.

Institutions that took a very long time to build. There was also a time, where the super rich were allowed to vote only, and no-one else was.

This system has been in constant correction and improvement since the 15th century. Only becoming what it is today in the late 60's.

Over here, you have the NAB, right? Now tell how many times during current democratic government chairman of NAB has been replaced ?

Can we really apply the same analogy here??

when a current govt in its all power employes its own relatives without any qualification who are not fit for the job, How can such system work with corrupted officials work?

I'm getting tired of explaining my point friend. And I'm beginning to feel you are unwilling to speak your mind about this.
I agree that these are issues, the system sucks, but it is my view that a lot of the blame is because of successive breaks that have destroyed any progress or path to said progress.

So, what exactly is your solution? What should be done if not this form of democracy and how?

 

[salarsikander]

Sir, please do consider the role of the Army in nurturing the good Taliban in FATA as part of its greater strategy before you lay all the blame on the SC, and then losing control of them, not due to a lack of justice, but a lack of long term thinking on their own part.

Hi,
We aren't fighting taliban , we are fighting piad mercenaries from uzbek and Tajiks aka ttp

 

[VCheng]

Hi,
We aren't fighting taliban , we are fighting piad mercenaries from uzbek and Tajiks aka ttp

The good ones or the bad ones?

 

[salarsikander]

The good ones or the bad ones?

Hi,
Anyone who poses threat to our existence will be eradicated. Anyone who doesn't will be spared.
Oh do check how america has refused to recognize Taliban as terrorists after losing big to them, we are merely doing what they do best. Serving our own intrests

 

[VCheng]

Hi,
Anyone who poses threat tomour existence will be eradicated. Anyone whom doesn't will be spared.
Oh domcheck how america has refused to recognize Taliban as terrorists after losing big to them, we are merely doing what they do best. Serving our own intrests

Getting back to the topic, how does having MCs help in this fight, and at what price to the nation and the judicial system?

 

[salarsikander]

Getting back to the topic, how does having MCs help in this fight, and at what price to the nation and the judicial system?

Hi,
MC will ensure swift and speedy trial to those sucmbags free from political influence.
Which SC can hardly deliver