germany delivers new high tech submarine to Israel...and Iran pays for it

[Serpentine]

giving israel a 6 billion € gift is a strong indication that she stands for her word,right?

You didn't mention the most embarrassing part:
After WWII, Israel has been receiving billions of dollars of compensation for 'crimes' Germany committed against the Jews (if we assume that it actually happened in that scale). In other words, Israel has been leeching Germany for more than 70 years, just like it's doing so regarding U.S, receiving 3 billions a year from them. Almost all of the Dolphin subs too have been given to Israel as part of this deal. So basically, they are still sucking your blood after 70 years and you brought Iran in the middle for no reason.

Not surprising though, Israel has received too much of charity money from other countries.
There is no article to prove or mention that the cost of the subs has been paid from Iran's share, and although the money may be freezed, but it's not 'nationalized' by German government. It's still there and as soon as sanctions are removed, everything is back to normal.

Next time, don't create threads based on the dreams you have seen the other night.

Why did you gave these Submarines for free ?

it's a bit embarrassing for him to mention the true reason (and Iran's money is not involved in any of this):

Germany to Pay 772 Million Euros in Reparations to Holocaust Survivors - SPIEGEL ONLINE

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/w...onors-duty-to-pay-holocaust-victims.html?_r=0

Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2009, Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz announced that he will demand a further €450 million to €1 billion in reparations from Germany on behalf of some 30,000 Israeli forced labor survivors. As of 2013 no agreement has been reached. Israel has also sought large discounts on the purchase of two German-built MEKO warships. Israel has also received two Dolphin-class submarine for free from Germany, along with substantial discounts on two others, and has two more on order for a total of six as of December 2012.

The first two submarines were donated to Tel Aviv for free while the third came with a 50-per-cent discount, informs International Defense News. Berlin also shared about a third of the costs for the fourth and fifth submarines.

 

[MOHSENAM]

Respect to Jews respect to Indians and respect to Europeans.

I do not enter to a racial war coz of a troll.

Iran has very good relation with GBR and Italy also good relation with Germany and France.

 

[Hussein]

Respect to Jews respect to Indians and respect to Europeans.

I do not enter to a racial war coz of a troll.

Iran has very good relation with GBR and Italy also good relation with Germany and France.

not considering that the foreign affairs minister insulted Iranians during a meeting (not regime or government but Iranians)
not considering that this government wants (and they say so) to avoid ANY discussion with Iran and try to convince USA that negociations are impossible
All the time it happens something in the region, Iran is accused: Fabius said ISIS is sponsored by Iran, Fabius said Iran is giving orders to Hamas to send rockets to Israel, Iran said Hezbollah having orders by Iran to prepare an huge arsenal against Israel,
and the best for the end...
"Iranian people are untrustable"

Hopefull as soon as possible these guys are kicked from their government (the most unpopular government since the existence of republic)

Germans or US are smart and they deal, they discuss (of course except some lobbies in US)
French socialists support two groups: MeK and Gulf states . so they will never have a fair relation with Iran.

 

[MarkusS]

I did read his post if he was Italian or German as he claims he would be able to read and understand what he is posting. Plus i remember Indian Member here Named MArkuS . No other nationality on this planet is as much in love with Israel as Indians.

You talk retared stuff. I give a shit about israel and palestine. their war serves our interests. As long they fight, the better for us. The article is a random byproduct. I guve a shit about Gabriels hypocisiy. The only part that is important is, that the article mentiond that one of the subs is delivered in the next weeks.

The rest? You assume too much that i take this bullshit here serious enough to go into detail. The sub contract is long gone and well known. The only reason i posted this is that it mentions the delivery.

As for indians, you and indians are the same for me. Israel and Palestine as well. I dont see you as people with your iwn interests and identities. You are objects for me. Sometimes useful, sometimes annoying.

Excuse me but, you have like zero interests in Region and no benefit from "Divide et Impera" ..... all the Juicy contracts goes to Either US, UK or France, be it weapon deals, telecommunication, banking, or oil industry.....

Edit: Nevermind, one of my friends enlightened me on the subject.

we earn billions with weapons, energy and so on. A divided middle east is a good middle east.

not considering that the foreign affairs minister insulted Iranians during a meeting (not regime or government but Iranians)
not considering that this government wants (and they say so) to avoid ANY discussion with Iran and try to convince USA that negociations are impossible
All the time it happens something in the region, Iran is accused: Fabius said ISIS is sponsored by Iran, Fabius said Iran is giving orders to Hamas to send rockets to Israel, Iran said Hezbollah having orders by Iran to prepare an huge arsenal against Israel,
and the best for the end...
"Iranian people are untrustable"

Hopefull as soon as possible these guys are kicked from their government (the most unpopular government since the existence of republic)

Germans or US are smart and they deal, they discuss (of course except some lobbies in US)
French socialists support two groups: MeK and Gulf states . so they will never have a fair relation with Iran.

Honest question since you live there, who the **** still supports Hollande?

 

[-SINAN-]

we earn billions with weapons, energy and so on. A divided middle east is a good middle east.

Nope, you don't.... ME countries, buys/bought either US or Russian equipment, some of them also buys from UK and France

Germany and energy contracts... .You only buy energy, you don't operate any oil fields like the other countries that i have mentioned.

Feel free to correct me with sources.

 

[MOHSENAM]

not considering that the foreign affairs minister insulted Iranians during a meeting (not regime or government but Iranians)
not considering that this government wants (and they say so) to avoid ANY discussion with Iran and try to convince USA that negociations are impossible
All the time it happens something in the region, Iran is accused: Fabius said ISIS is sponsored by Iran, Fabius said Iran is giving orders to Hamas to send rockets to Israel, Iran said Hezbollah having orders by Iran to prepare an huge arsenal against Israel,
and the best for the end...
"Iranian people are untrustable"

Hopefull as soon as possible these guys are kicked from their government (the most unpopular government since the existence of republic)

Germans or US are smart and they deal, they discuss (of course except some lobbies in US)
French socialists support two groups: MeK and Gulf states . so they will never have a fair relation with Iran.

Before Sarkozy (a harcore Zion) Iran and France had very good relation, Fabius and Hollande are harcore.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy is a Frankist Jew: No wonder he resents Israeli PM Benyamin Netanyahu - Destination Yisra'el


Fabius is originally Jew and many sources say the ex-president Sarkozy is a Jew too.

 

[Serpentine]

not considering that the foreign affairs minister insulted Iranians during a meeting (not regime or government but Iranians)
not considering that this government wants (and they say so) to avoid ANY discussion with Iran and try to convince USA that negociations are impossible

Hollande and Fabius are scumbags, I give you that. They are the worst the France has ever seen after its revolution. Even Sarkozy is considered competent compared to them.

 

[Hussein]

Honest question since you live there, who the **** still supports Hollande?

the socialist harcore .. the ones who always support and vote for them... for the "elephants"
since here they name elephants the few leaders of socialists who always have been leading the parti (Fabius, Hollande are among the elephants: they rule the parti since ages)

 

[MarkusS]

Nope, you don't.... ME countries, buys/bought either US or Russian equipment, some of them also buys from UK and France

Germany and energy contracts... .You only buy energy, you don't operate any oil fields like the other countries that i have mentioned.

Feel free to correct me with sources.

Well then i wonder where all the weapons go that we produce. Germany is one of the main suppliers of defense equipment. Also i wonder why germany is most sucessfull economy in teh west when apparently to you nobody makes business with us. Stupid me! Who buys all tzhos weapons from Krauss-Maffei, Thyssen Krupp, Heckler & Koch and so on. Germany has excellent economic relations with all countries in the middle east.

 

[-SINAN-]

Well then i wonder where all the weapons go that we produce. Germany is one of the main suppliers of defense equipment. Also i wonder why germany is most sucessfull economy in teh west when apparently to you nobody makes business with us. Stupid me! Who buys all tzhos weapons from Krauss-Maffei, Thyssen Krupp, Heckler & Koch and so on. Germany has excellent economic relations with all countries in the middle east.

You sell equipment mostly on European countries... and to rest of the world. Except ME countries.

Let me give you an example, Before the war Iraq used Russian military equipment. After the war US selled them, $ billions of US equipment.

You are simply not getting my point. You don't need a war to sell your cars, CNC tables or civilian airliners... You need ME countries to be stable or else demand will simple decrease. That's is the same issue with Turkish construction sector in ME countries.

The cream top sectors are "weapon deals, telecommunication, banking, or oil industry"

-Weapon deals, You know military equipment is much more expensive than any other civilian industry products
- Telecommunication, you just build some receiver towers and voila..... money pours into your account from millions of users
- Banking, you make money from their money. Simply no effort.
- Oil industry... not much words needed to explain this.

Guess which countries are active in these sectors in Iraq ?..... Do you think Germany ?

 

[LordTyrannus]

You sell equipment mostly on European countries... and to rest of the world. Except ME countries.

Let me give you an example, Before the war Iraq used Russian military equipment. After the war US selled them, $ billions of US equipment.

You are simply not getting my point. You don't need a war to sell your cars, CNC tables or civilian airliners... You need ME countries to be stable or else demand will simple decrease. That's is the same issue with Turkish construction sector in ME countries.

The cream top sectors are "weapon deals, telecommunication, banking, or oil industry"

-Weapon deals, You know military equipment is much more expensive than any other civilian industry products
- Telecommunication, you just build some receiver towers and voila..... money pours into your account from millions of users
- Banking, you make money from their money. Simply no effort.
- Oil industry... not much words needed to explain this.

Guess which countries are active in these sectors in Iraq ?..... Do you think Germany ?

You also got a shitload of refugees from ME, which you must feed and care for. Well done, my turko friend!

 

[MarkusS]

You sell equipment mostly on European countries... and to rest of the world. Except ME countries.

Let me give you an example, Before the war Iraq used Russian military equipment. After the war US selled them, $ billions of US equipment.

You are simply not getting my point. You don't need a war to sell your cars, CNC tables or civilian airliners... You need ME countries to be stable or else demand will simple decrease. That's is the same issue with Turkish construction sector in ME countries.

The cream top sectors are "weapon deals, telecommunication, banking, or oil industry"

-Weapon deals, You know military equipment is much more expensive than any other civilian industry products
- Telecommunication, you just build some receiver towers and voila..... money pours into your account from millions of users
- Banking, you make money from their money. Simply no effort.
- Oil industry... not much words needed to explain this.

Guess which countries are active in these sectors in Iraq ?..... Do you think Germany ?

How comes then that iraq used german gas in its attacks against Iran? So how comes people in UK, France and USA do not have our income and economic power?

And whats your problem that we give 6 submarines for free? Thats peanuts for us.

 

[LordTyrannus]

This MarkusS guy is trolling hard.

 

[-SINAN-]

You also got a shitload of refugees from ME, which you must feed and care for. Well done, my turko friend!

Yeah, well done to Assad.

This MarkusS guy is trolling hard.

Lol, look at who is saying that.

How comes then that iraq used german gas in its attacks against Iran?

Mate, selling some Nerve agent substance is not equal to selling $ Billions of worth jets, tanks, missile defence systems etc....

So how comes people in UK, France and USA do not have our income and economic power?

Because you have a very very strong industrial base. That's a different issue from what i have been saying..
Amd I never said nothing about your GDP or GDP/Capita

And whats your problem that we give 6 submarines for free? Thats peanuts for us.

I have no problem... you can donate all of the Germany to Israel if you want.

I just wondered about the reason behind it and learned it from other guys.

 

[As is - where is]

The Middle East/Near East which is today the Arab world actually. Basically ancient Semitic peoples and civilizations. Those civilizations are not "Western" in origin but Middle Eastern. Native too. That region is home to the most ancient civilizations on earth and cities to this very day.

Yea, that's what I'm saying. They are not western in origin but they are the origin of civilization. And they act as a foundation based on which the western civilization was later built by the Greeks and later the Romans.

Most Greeks and Italians can trace their ancestry to what is now the Arab world thousands upon thousands of years ago. Since Neolithic times. Agriculture also spread from the Arab world into Southern Europe/Balkan etc.

Their biological ancenstry? That's highly disputed. The most accepted hypothesis is that since they both come from Proto-Indo-European tribes they come from the north. And obviously before the Proto-Indo-Europeans went to the North you can trace their ancestry back to Africa like everyone's.

You're right about agriculture though.