General Kayani: Pakistan Armed Forces always stand by Azerbaijan

[iranigirl2]

In the scenario Pakistan is the one who wants Iranian relationship not the contrary so it doesn't matter to Iran if India, Afghanistan, Russia or any country is an enemy of Pakistan.

Can you answer my question I posted on Afgahan fourm under "Insurgents kill US soldier in southern Afghanistan" Thank you.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are like our brothers. If they have some dispute between themselves, thatdoes not affect our relationship with any of them. Rather thann taking sides we would try to have them solve their dispute in an amicable brotherly manner.

we need to make it clear that

a.) we wont align ourselves for one against the other (who wins if we all engage in these stupid games? NOBODY except our enemies)


b.) we wont allow OUR country to be used as some kind of proxy ground for whatever beef they have with eachother......though in a way, it's too late.


maybe all Pakistanis should be required to learn about the Lebanese civil war to understand how BLOODY and devastating it is to allow your country to be use for proxy games --especially when religious sect is used to nurture these games.


Pakistan doesn't have what it takes to convince the Saudis and Persians to set aside their differences. But at least lets non-align ourselves from this stupidity and nonsense (which as i said -- it only benefits those who want to see Muslims be divided)

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

In the scenario Pakistan is the one who wants Iranian relationship not the contrary so it doesn't matter to Iran if India, Afghanistan, Russia or any country is an enemy of Pakistan.

Iran is isolated and needs friends. If things were my way, we'd be boosting trade with them. They are our neighbour. We'd be boosting trade and pooling resources with all fellow OIC members. IDEALLY.

As for Afghanistan, it's a shame that there are some elements in your country who don't respect the Durand Line as the international border when the rest of the civilized world does. It's a shame that there are people in your country that allow anti-Pakistan activity to FLOURISH (often -- at your own expense!!!)

it's sad really -- given that Pakistan and Afghanistan have the basis for EXCELLENT ties given historic contact between the peoples and given the rich cross-over of tribes.


of course at the same time, it's also a shame that Afghanistan hasn't gotten the breathing space to allow for a national dialogue and end to constant fighting b/c of some of the countries listed above and the general "great game" that is being played out before us (we do assume some responsibility -- though Pakistan's actions in the past few years vis-a-vis Afghanistan have largely been CONTINGENCY-based). At the end of the day however the onus is on you and your citizens to built a nation for you and your grandchildren to prosper in.

I know i've deviated from the subject here, but you ought to be reminded these things my dear young brother.

 

[Armstrong]

Iran is isolated and needs friends. If things were my way, we'd be boosting trade with them. They are our neighbour. We'd be boosting trade and pooling resources with all fellow OIC members. IDEALLY.

As for Afghanistan, it's a shame that there are some elements in your country who don't respect the Durand Line as the international border when the rest of the civilized world does. It's a shame that there are people in your country that allow anti-Pakistan activity to FLOURISH (often -- at your own expense!!!)

it's sad really -- given that Pakistan and Afghanistan have the basis for EXCELLENT ties given historic contact between the peoples and given the rich cross-over of tribes.


of course at the same time, it's also a shame that Afghanistan hasn't gotten the breathing space to allow for a national dialogue and end to constant fighting b/c of some of the countries listed above and the general "great game" that is being played out before us (we do assume some responsibility -- though Pakistan's actions in the past few years vis-a-vis Afghanistan have largely been CONTINGENCY-based). At the end of the day however the onus is on you and your citizens to built a nation for you and your grandchildren to prosper in.

I know i've deviated from the subject here, but you ought to be reminded these things my dear young brother.

Rora, why have we failed to make the Afghan refugees who resided in Pakistan as Pakistan's ambassadors to Afghanistan ? Shouldn't the Pashtun connection have ensured that ?

 

[Edevelop]

wow i didn't believe this thread would be running as far as 5 pages. Certainly not when there are no Azeris here...

 

[Armstrong]

wow i didn't believe this thread would be running as far as 5 pages. Certainly not when there are no Azeris here...

Actually there are ! Two unless I'm mistaken.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Rora, why have we failed to make the Afghan refugees who resided in Pakistan as Pakistan's ambassadors to Afghanistan ? Shouldn't the Pashtun connection have ensured that ?

yaar those people cross in and out.....it's almost as if they are stateless people. Majority of them are just poor and looking for safety. I feel sorry for them though i dont feel sorry for those who back-stab.


Pashtun connection? As a Pashtun myself let me say that "we" are not above any other of the many 'grooups' in our region. Everybody who is less well off comes with a price-tag and it's a huge myth that Pashtuns can never be bought-off.

we always grew up with these fairy tales about honor and rejecting bribes and all....but i think in 2012 a lot has changed.


the persuasive power of crisp dollars can never be over-looked



when we say ambassadors to Afghanistan we need to think on a broader level.......who do these ambassadors represent? Afghanistan is very fractionalized and factionalized and what not. We dont have the power to tell Afghans to unite as one so that when we talk to Afghanistan it isnt we are talking to Pashtuns only or Tajik group or Hazaras. I personally don't think that NATO's presence will bring about an end to this division either; in fact it has only widened it.

 

[Xestan]

Saudi Arabia and Azerbayian are Best Friends with Israel.

Also I dont understand why Pakistani love Saudi Arabia's government, they've only made pakistan a hot spot for terrorism. If Saudi Arabia wahabism never came to Pakistan you would NOT HAVE so many issues with terrorism , and civil unreast. Seriously pakistan would've been the strongest Islamic country in the region.

Pakistanis don't love Saudi government. We just respect and support all the Islamic countries including Iran. And Saudi Arabia is NOT responsible for terrorism in Pakistan, the responsibility is all our own, of course external factors can't be ignored which included Saudi Arabia and Iran, both.

And, besides, I think Pakistan still is the strongest Islamic country in the world, not just region. We just need to get back on track, Insha'Allah once US withdraws from Afghanistan, I see a bright future.

 

[Pakistanisage]

That's because you guys pretend that actually you have very strong relation with Iran but you are also being too good with her enemies! that's kinda irony!

Really ? Are you really that gullible ?

Aren't you aware of the fact that Iran considers India as one of its closest friends and aren't you aware of the fact that Pakistan considers India as its " ARCH ENEMY " ?

If Iran can have a closer relationship with Pakistan's ARCH ENEMY, then why can't Pakistan have a close relationship with AZERBAIJAN ?

Come on give me some evidence of your super intelligence, Genius.

 

[Cheetah786]

and why does pakistan want iran relationship, pakistan doesnt need iran, its onmly shia regime who wants happy ties with khomaini brothers

And why does pakistan want House of Saud relationship, pakistan doesnt need House of Saud, its only Wahhabi regime who has happy ties with Terrorist In pakistan.

merey bhai, in this way we should have good relations with india since lots of traders trade with each other between india and pakistan?

Give us some names

 

[meral]

i agree and also azerbaijan is not significant enough because its a very small country but anyways, good enough for good relations and more friends less enemies

Azerbaijan may be small but they are an oil country, keeping cash! Many countries like Greece-Serbia went to Azerbaijan to take investment. And even though Azerbaijan is mainly Shia also Sunnis are completely free they dont approach to countries on basis of islamic sects unlike iran, doesnt matter how much you love iran they are bad to your country cause they use shia card everywhere. If Pakistani officials approaching countries like you do then you are losing a lot!

 

[T-123456]

Pakistan should do whats best for Pakistan,its the allways supporting other countries that brought you in this mess.
General Kayani should make sure all is good with pakistan First.

 

[meral]

Maybe I will be bashed by our Pakistani friends but I wish you had a patriot dictator for a bit of time so he could put the country on its track. Population grows so fast and infrastructure fails

wow i didn't believe this thread would be running as far as 5 pages. Certainly not when there are no Azeris here...

Türks are here, we are same so no problem

 

[T-123456]

Maybe I will be bashed by our Pakistani friends but I wish you had a patriot dictator for a bit of time so he could put the country on its track. Population grows so fast and infrastructure fails

Our Pakistani brothers know thats the only way to get out of this mess,but to find such a patriot is the problem.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Maybe I will be bashed by our Pakistani friends but I wish you had a patriot dictator for a bit of time so he could put the country on its track. Population grows so fast and infrastructure fails

I agree because during military regimes our country has progressed... even during Musharafs govt we were one of the fastest growing economies.. but lets hope "democrazy" doesnt take "revenge" from the people... and(govt) stops licking talib arseholes.... and instead of thinking about negotiating with them... orders the military to f.. those bastards.