Gen Raheel Sharif calls Kashmir as "jugular vein of Pakistan"

[Durrak]

kashmir rahega hindustan

Kashmir should be what its people want it to be..

 

[Ayush]

Kashmir should be what its people want it to be..

your previous two user names were better

 

[M. Sarmad]

Adding to @Azlan Haider post. I don't think you should watch cartoon network. You should watch Baby tv. In fact every Indian who considers Kashmir India's integral and legal part should watch it. You guys don't belong to Cartoon Network age bracket.

BabyTV - BabyTV Channel for babies and toddlers , free online games, videos and songs

These guys always talk about Simla Agreement superseding UN resolutions , what these idiots don`t know is that the same Simla Agreement states :

" That the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the two countries "

So , In the Shimla agreement the two Countries have also reiterated to continue to be governed by UN charter. Article 103 of the said charter provides that in the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.

It also provides that UN should assume an Arbitrator’s role between two disputing membership nations if the said dispute becomes a threat to global peace. India & Pakistan are two nuclear armed nations and are sitting on a powder keg. UN, therefore has a role here to play by default as well.

 

[ranjeet]

These guys always talk about Simla Agreement superseding UN resolutions , what these idiots don`t know is that the same Simla Agreement states :

" That the principles and purposes off the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the countries "

So , In the Shimla agreement the two Countries have also reiterated to continue to be governed by UN charter. Article 103 of the said charter provides that in the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.

It also provides that UN should assume an Arbitrator’s role between two disputing membership nations if the said dispute becomes a threat to global peace. India & Pakistan are two nuclear armed nations and are sitting on a powder keg. UN, therefore has a role here to play by default as well.

what was the lastest update on the people killed in kasmir? 100,001?

 

[Areesh]

These guys always talk about Simla Agreement superseding UN resolutions , what these idiots don`t know is that the same Simla Agreement states :

" That the principles and purposes off the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the countries "

So , In the Shimla agreement the two Countries have also reiterated to continue to be governed by UN charter. Article 103 of the said charter provides that in the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.

It also provides that UN should assume an Arbitrator’s role between two disputing membership nations if the said dispute becomes a threat to global peace. India & Pakistan are two nuclear armed nations and are sitting on a powder keg. UN, therefore has a role here to play by default as well.

These guys are idiots. Worst of the kind from India that is present on this forum. Don't give these imbeciles much importance. This pic from IOK explains everything about UN and Shimla Agreement. Even if now someone has doubts about IOK's status according to UN then he has some seriously low IQ. He or she must be a Bharati.

 

[Durrak]

your previous two user names were better

Don't worry I'll change it in a month or two

 

[VCheng]

These guys always talk about Simla Agreement superseding UN resolutions , what these idiots don`t know is that the same Simla Agreement states :

" That the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the two countries "

So , In the Shimla agreement the two Countries have also reiterated to continue to be governed by UN charter. Article 103 of the said charter provides that in the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.

It also provides that UN should assume an Arbitrator’s role between two disputing membership nations if the said dispute becomes a threat to global peace. India & Pakistan are two nuclear armed nations and are sitting on a powder keg. UN, therefore has a role here to play by default as well.

The UN Resolutions are not "international agreements". What this means is that agreements done before Simla, such as the Indus Water Treaty, will also remain in force. Besides, this does not mean that they are bound to follow the UN Charter, but that its "principles and purposes" shall govern the relations between the two countries, e.g. the principle of equality.

The Simla Agreement also states that both parties must agree to any third party mediation.


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This is the complete text. Where does it provide for the role of UN as an arbitrator if global peace is threatened?

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The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan are resolved that the two countries put an end to the conflict and confrontation that have hitherto marred their relations and work for the promotion of a friendly and harmonious relationship and the establishment of durable peace in the subcontinent so that both countries may henceforth devote their resources and energies to the pressing task of advancing the welfare of their people.
In order to achieve this objective, the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan have agreed as follows:
(i) That the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the two countries.
(ii) That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peace and harmonious relations.
(iii) That the prerequisite for reconciliation, good neighborliness and durable peace between them is a commitment by both the countries to peaceful coexistence respect for each others territorial integrity and sovereignty and noninterference in each others internal affairs, on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. That the basic issues and causes of conflict which have bedeviled the relations between the two countries for the last 25 years shall be resolved by peaceful means.
(v) That they shall always respect each others national unity, territorial integrity, political independence and sovereign equality.
(vi) That in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, they will refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of each other.
Both governments will take all steps within their power to prevent hostile propaganda directed against each other. Both countries will encourage the dissemination of such information as would promote the development of friendly relations between them.
In order progressively to restore and normalize relations between the two countries step by step, it was agreed that:
(i) Steps shall be taken to resume communications, postal, telegraphic, sea, land, including border posts, and air links, including over flights.
(ii) Appropriate steps shall be taken to promote travel facilities for the nationals of the other country.
(iii) Trade and cooperation in economic and other agreed fields will be resumed as far as possible.
(iv) Exchange in the fields of science and culture will be promoted.
In this connection delegations from the two countries will meet from time to time to work out the necessary details.
In order to initiate the process of the establishment of durable peace, both the governments agree that:
(i) Indian and Pakistani forces shall be withdrawn to their side of the international border.
(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line.
(iii) The withdrawals shall commence upon entry into force of this agreement and shall be completed within a period of 30 days thereof.
This agreement will be subject to ratification by both countries in accordance with their respective constitutional procedures, and will come into force with effect from the date on which the instruments of ratification are exchanged.
Both governments agree that their respective heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that in the meanwhile the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements for the establishment of durable peace and normalization of relations, including the questions of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilian internees, a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir and the resumption of diplomatic relations.
Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto President Islamic Republic of Pakistan
Indira Gandhi Prime Minister India
Simla, the 2 July 1972.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The UN Resolutions are not "international agreements". What this means is that agreements done before Simla, such as the Indus Water Treaty, will also remain in force. Besides, this does not mean that they are bound to follow the UN Charter, but that its "principles and purposes" shall govern the relations between the two countries, e.g. the principle of equality.
The Simla Agreement also states that both parties must agree to any third party mediation.

Let me educate you my friend .....


The existence of clause (i) of Article 1 clearly indicates that both parties had agreed to the principles and purposes of the UN charter and hence one can neither attribute preference to clause (ii) over the UN charter , nor exclude recourse to the UN .

Besides Article 34 and 35 of the UN charter specifically empower the UN Security Council to investigate any dispute independently or at the request of a member state

In addition Article 103 of the United Nations (UN) Charter stipulates that the obligations of UN Member States under the Charter prevail, in the event of a conflict, over their obligations under any other international agreement.

In the words of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto : "There is nothing in the Simla Agreement to prevent Pakistan from taking the dispute to the United Nations . The Kashmir dispute has been before the United Nations for past thirty years . Still the problem has remained unsolved . The PPP government therefore wanted to exhaust the bilateral avenues completely before returning to the United Nations"

When India and Pakistan clashed in the Security Council last year over the relevance of the UN observer group at the LoC, a spokesperson for UN chief Ban Ki-moon said the force can be terminated only by a decision of the 15-nation body. !!!

But the morons would still insist that Kashmir is essentially a bilateral issue (after Simla Agreemenet) and the UN and its resolutions have become irrelevant !!

You have been rebutted up, down, right, left and centre but you have shut your eyes, stuck your fingers into your ears and screaming 'LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA'.

How old are you ??

 

[ranjeet]

These guys are idiots. Worst of the kind from India that is present on this forum. Don't give these imbeciles much importance. This pic from IOK explains everything about UN and Shimla Agreement. Even if now someone has doubts about IOK's status according to UN then he has some seriously low IQ. He or she must be a Bharati.

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where is this pic from? please give the source.

Let me educate you my friend .....


The existence of clause (i) of Article 1 clearly indicates that both parties had agreed to the principles and purposes of the UN charter and hence one can neither attribute preference to clause (ii) over the UN charter , nor exclude recourse to the UN .

Besides Article 34 and 35 of the UN charter specifically empower the UN Security Council to investigate any dispute independently or at the request of a member state

In addition Article 103 of the United Nations (UN) Charter stipulates that the obligations of UN Member States under the Charter prevail, in the event of a conflict, over their obligations under any other international agreement.

In the words of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto : "There is nothing in the Simla Agreement to prevent Pakistan from taking the dispute to the United Nations . The Kashmir dispute has been before the United Nations for past thirty years . Still the problem has remained unsolved . The PPP government therefore wanted to exhaust the bilateral avenues completely before returning to the United Nations"

kashmir is a bilateral issue ... no matter how much Pakistan rake it up no one is going to mediate as long as India doesn't agree to it.

 

[American Pakistani]

Thats the difference we dint have to wait that long because the i in Kashmir for India.Kashmir chose us.

What a nonsense post of no value. Deserve more than 20 -ive ratings.

@Aeronaut @WebMaster @Manticore Please look into this post...it comes into "post of no value" violation.

 

[SHAMK9]

Kashmir belongs to the Pandits and the Sufis not the wahabi filth

 

[DARIUS]

A war on loans? soft loans or bonds?

Sovereign loans I guess!!

 

[halupridol]

seems i missed alot,,,,,,

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

 

[American Pakistani]

Now you have K for Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, problem solved.

Yes for your dreams the problem may be solved but in reality it will exist until Indian Occupier 7 lakh terrorists will not be flushed out of IOK/Maqbooza Kashmir.

FYI KPK, FATA & Waziristan comes into Afghania Region i.e PAkistan.

P = Punjab Region(Punjab/Bahawalpur/Seraiki areas), A = Afghania Region(KPK/FATA/Waziristan), K = Kashmir Region(AJK/GB/IOK-Maqbooza Kashmir), S = Sind Region, TAN = BalochisTAN Region.

Full text of the pamphlet "Now or Never," published by Choudhary Rahmat Ali as "Founder of Pakistan National Movement," in which the word "Pakistan" appears to have been used for the first time in a document (1933)


3, Humberstone Road,
Cambridge, England.
28th January, 1933

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am enclosing herewith an appeal on behalf of the thirty million Muslims of PAKISTAN, who live in the five Northern Units of India--Punjab, North-West Frontier (Afghan) Province, Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan. It embodies their demand for the recognition of their national status, as distinct from the other inhabitants of India, by the grant to Pakistan of a separate Federal Constitution on religious, social and historical grounds.

I shall be pleased if you will kindly acquaint me with your valuable opinion on the proposed solution of the great Hindu-Muslim problem. I trust that, vitally interested as you are in a just and permanent solution of that complex problem, the objects outlined in the appeal wiIl meet with your fullest approval and active support.

Yours truly,
Rahmat Ali (Choudhary). (Founder, Pakiistan National Movement)
First issued 1933; reissued 1934

Now or Never, by Chaudhary Rahmat Ali, 1933

it is composed from letters taken from the names of its components: Punjab, North West Frontier of which the inhabitants are mainly Afghan, Kashmir, Sindh and Baluchistan.

Chaudhary Rahmat Ali

I today represent ICT = Islamabad Capital Territory.