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Gelsenkirchen: Controversial Lenin statue erected in German city

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The statue was unveiled next to a poster that reads: 'Don't give anti-communism a chance'​

A far-left party in Germany has erected a controversial statue of communist leader Vladimir Lenin.

The tiny Marxist-Leninist Party of Germany (MLPD) installed the statue in front of its headquarters in the western city of Gelsenkirchen.

City authorities had attempted to stop the statue being installed and launched an online hashtag saying there was "no place for Lenin".

But courts blocked their appeals and the unveiling went ahead on Saturday.

Lenin was a leader of the 1917 Russian Revolution and led the country until his death in 1924, when he was succeeded by Josef Stalin. However, he has remained a symbol of communism rule across the world, both among supporters and those who remember the human rights abuses that took place under the USSR.

Germany itself was divided for decades between the West and the communist East, until the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

In the debate surrounding the Gelsenkirchen statue, which was made in Czechoslovakia, as it was then known, in 1957, both sides drew parallels to the tearing down of monuments linked to slavery which has taken place in anti-racism protests across the world in recent weeks.

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Protesters across America toppled statues associated with slavery​

"We live in a time in which many countries of the world are reflecting on memorials," said mayor Frank Baranowski in one of a series of YouTube videos posted by the city council against the statue.

"It's hard to put up with the fact that a dictator from the 21st Century is being placed on a pedestal and a memorial is being made out of it. Unfortunately the courts have decided otherwise, we must accept that, but not without comment."

However, MLPD's chair, Gabi Fechtner, described the communist leader as "an ahead-of-his-time thinker of world-historical importance, an early fighter for freedom and democracy", according to the AFP news agency.

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@Soumitra, people in the West are revisiting socialism as an alternative to current problems while in Third World countries like India some local slaves of capitalists are doing such things ( it is from 2018 ):
Destruction of a statue of Lenin, a Communist icon, by BJP workers in Tripura following the saffron party's electoral victory in the state triggered a sharp division among the Parliamentarians with the vandalism receiving support only from the right ...

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/content/663064/ministers-defend-lenin-statue-bulldozing.html


And speaking of statues why was Vallabhbhai Patel's statue erected instead of Shaheed Bhagat Singh's ?
 
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Gelsenkirchen: Controversial Lenin statue erected in German city

_113004642_tv062053931.jpg

The statue was unveiled next to a poster that reads: 'Don't give anti-communism a chance'​

A far-left party in Germany has erected a controversial statue of communist leader Vladimir Lenin.

The tiny Marxist-Leninist Party of Germany (MLPD) installed the statue in front of its headquarters in the western city of Gelsenkirchen.

City authorities had attempted to stop the statue being installed and launched an online hashtag saying there was "no place for Lenin".

But courts blocked their appeals and the unveiling went ahead on Saturday.

Lenin was a leader of the 1917 Russian Revolution and led the country until his death in 1924, when he was succeeded by Josef Stalin. However, he has remained a symbol of communism rule across the world, both among supporters and those who remember the human rights abuses that took place under the USSR.

Germany itself was divided for decades between the West and the communist East, until the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

In the debate surrounding the Gelsenkirchen statue, which was made in Czechoslovakia, as it was then known, in 1957, both sides drew parallels to the tearing down of monuments linked to slavery which has taken place in anti-racism protests across the world in recent weeks.

p08hjwp1.jpg

Protesters across America toppled statues associated with slavery​

"We live in a time in which many countries of the world are reflecting on memorials," said mayor Frank Baranowski in one of a series of YouTube videos posted by the city council against the statue.

"It's hard to put up with the fact that a dictator from the 21st Century is being placed on a pedestal and a memorial is being made out of it. Unfortunately the courts have decided otherwise, we must accept that, but not without comment."

However, MLPD's chair, Gabi Fechtner, described the communist leader as "an ahead-of-his-time thinker of world-historical importance, an early fighter for freedom and democracy", according to the AFP news agency.

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@Soumitra, people in the West are revisiting socialism as an alternative to current problems while in India some local slaves of capitalists are doing such things ( it is from 2018 ):



And speaking of statues why was Vallabhbhai Patel's statue erected instead of Shaheed Bhagat Singh's ?
The statue was installed by far left party and opposed by normal people. Commies are fools.

I remember that incident in Tripura. It was a good incident. There should be no place for ruskie commies in India.

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Sardaar Patels statue was constructed because he United 500+ princly states. It is not either or situation. You want to install Bhagat Singh statue please go ahead and do it.
 
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Commies are fools.

Yet so many countries adopted the ideology at various points in history and individual revolutionaries like Carlos ( the jackal ) spent their life championing it.

The statue was installed by far left party and opposed by normal people.

Make this clear. Are you talking about Germany or Tripura ?


A right-winger trying to be funny.

You want to install Bhagat Singh statue please go ahead and do it.

Oh, when I have the opportunity I will.
 
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Yet so many countries adopted the ideology at various points in history and individual revolutionaries like Carlos ( the jackal ) spent their life championing it.

Name me top economy commie countries in 2020.

Make this clear. Are you talking about Germany or Tripura ?

Germany

A right-winger trying to be funny.

No telling the truth

Oh, when I have the opportunity I will.

Sure when a capitalist will invest in your microprocessor. You are a hypocrite. You will take money from a capitalist and then spend the day bashing money and capitalism
 
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Name me top economy commie countries in 2020.

You and your obsession with "top economies". I have asked you this before : India is a top economy, how is it going for many of its people ? No suffering ? No deprivation ?


Some of those who will oppose this statue will oppose you as an unwanted foreigner if you have to go live there. So choose your allies wisely.

Sure when a capitalist will invest in your microprocessor. You are a hypocrite. You will take money from a capitalist and then spend the day bashing money and capitalism

I think I can convince one or two of the VCs that they will profit from my project.

Besides, my "hypocrisy" is for a good cause. So no shame.
 
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It is the reality of life. It is time you come out of your cocoon and realise it.

It is not the reality of life. Money is not from Nature. No one deserves to suffer for the lack of it.

Do the constellations in the night sky above your head write a message that humans need money to live or they should preferably suffer or die ?

Does a cat pay someone to hunt a mouse ?

I have a saying : "Paisa sahoolat hona chahiye, zaroorat nahi" meaning "Money should be facility, not necessity".

Yeah good cause of adding money to your bank account.

I don't necessarily need money. I need resources. And see previous paragraph.
 
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India is a top economy, how is it going for many of its people ? No suffering ? No deprivation ?
Who said India is a top economy (in per-capita basis)?? I think it ranks something in 120s.
 
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Gelsenkirchen: Controversial Lenin statue erected in German city

_113004642_tv062053931.jpg

The statue was unveiled next to a poster that reads: 'Don't give anti-communism a chance'​

A far-left party in Germany has erected a controversial statue of communist leader Vladimir Lenin.

The tiny Marxist-Leninist Party of Germany (MLPD) installed the statue in front of its headquarters in the western city of Gelsenkirchen.

City authorities had attempted to stop the statue being installed and launched an online hashtag saying there was "no place for Lenin".

But courts blocked their appeals and the unveiling went ahead on Saturday.

Lenin was a leader of the 1917 Russian Revolution and led the country until his death in 1924, when he was succeeded by Josef Stalin. However, he has remained a symbol of communism rule across the world, both among supporters and those who remember the human rights abuses that took place under the USSR.

Germany itself was divided for decades between the West and the communist East, until the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

In the debate surrounding the Gelsenkirchen statue, which was made in Czechoslovakia, as it was then known, in 1957, both sides drew parallels to the tearing down of monuments linked to slavery which has taken place in anti-racism protests across the world in recent weeks.

p08hjwp1.jpg

Protesters across America toppled statues associated with slavery​

"We live in a time in which many countries of the world are reflecting on memorials," said mayor Frank Baranowski in one of a series of YouTube videos posted by the city council against the statue.

"It's hard to put up with the fact that a dictator from the 21st Century is being placed on a pedestal and a memorial is being made out of it. Unfortunately the courts have decided otherwise, we must accept that, but not without comment."

However, MLPD's chair, Gabi Fechtner, described the communist leader as "an ahead-of-his-time thinker of world-historical importance, an early fighter for freedom and democracy", according to the AFP news agency.

---

@Soumitra, people in the West are revisiting socialism as an alternative to current problems while in India some local slaves of capitalists are doing such things ( it is from 2018 ):



And speaking of statues why was Vallabhbhai Patel's statue erected instead of Shaheed Bhagat Singh's ?

It's interesting that only Lenin statues left in America.
 
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It is not the reality of life. Money is not from Nature. No one deserves to suffer for the lack of it.

Do the constellations in the night sky above your head write a message that humans need money to live or they should preferably suffer or die ?

Does a cat pay someone to hunt a mouse ?

I have a saying : "Paisa sahoolat hona chahiye, zaroorat nahi" meaning "Money should be facility, not necessity".
Again talking of utopia. Show me a moneyless economy.
 
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@jamahir Talk of Lenin and the mental picture that comes to my mind is not socialism / communism but the Soviet Russia where he was worshipped by building statues, naming cities, references in Soviet children's story books etc. Anyone else who feels like this?

- PRTP GWD
 
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I like this statue. Should remind the Germans of the 100,000 or more women raped by the Red Army when it invaded Germany. Not to mention the countless Germans summarily executed. This is living history that Germans should not forget but embrace.
 
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