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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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HGV was lying about Hamas truly accepting a two state solution.

They did not, they still rejected an israeli state, stating they would eventually keep fighting for every inch of palestinian lands/palestinian return.
Sammuel pointed this out using quites of HGVs own link.

But it seems having people blatantly lie matters not, that was ignored while other posters jumped on him with a “whataboutism” fallacy.

To which Sammuel responded that Israel, in its history, did at times propose a two state. With the Oslo accords as example.

You then pile ad hominem on him, mentioning netanyahu does not want a two state (which is true, but has SHIT to do with the Oslo accords and the discussed claim that israel NeVER supported two state).

Just piling on, while ignoring the initial point, HGV trying to sugarcoat hamas.
Very tiring, and quite a dishonest way of debating.
When debating with people that see the argument in a 2 dimensional world - one has to lower the standards to fit the poster you are debating with.
You are another that wants to pick on a person you accuse of sugar coating Hamas - forgetting the previous posts of retards showing an abundance of satisfaction and glee for the death of innocent people.
When you start condemning the genocide - war crimes - illegal settlements and lies from the IDF - then I will not be hostile and verbally attack the semi retarded that post nonsense
 
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Israel has agreed to the two state peace solution long ago. Can you show us one place where Hamas agree to that ?


Israel and Palestine as two independent states, coexisting side by side − this was the principle of the Oslo Accords, signed in 1993 by then-Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat, former chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization.



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When there is a will there is a way . . .




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So where pray tell is this palestinian state then?

Well,I`ll tell you....
Israel paid lip service to the idea of a palestinian state,however the "facts on the ground" to use the israeli terminology are very,very different,now arent they?
What you have in reality is not a state but rather a collection of apartheid style bantustans [palistans?] chopped up by settler only security roads and separation barriers and administered by a collaborationist quisling/vichy style pa.
Thats about as far from a "state" as one can get.

Not to mention theres something really morally warped and repugnant about a bunch of foreign squatters demanding that the indigenous populace recognize the squatters right to a very big chunk of the indigenous populations land[while continuing to steal more],when said squatters wont even recognize the most basic rights of the indigenous populace,never mind their right to a state on their own lands.
 
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Hamas claimed there were nothing but civilians there…..
Guess they need to get their stories straight
are you thick, it is civilian prisoners of war that were killed by jews, so yes their story is straight
 
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Hamas claimed there were nothing but civilians there…..
Guess they need to get their stories straight
How maniy lies have the IDF come out with that the likes of you ignore? If you want a fair debate don’t cover up for cockroaches that bomb hospitals - refugee camps and places of worship and say it was the other side.
Hamas ain’t innocent but don’t make out the Israeli are clean handed - they are with their actions showing us they are absolute cockroaches
 
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I checked it very fast,haven't watched all of it,but lol at some people in the video


Chick says:

"And we didn't even start a lot of the wars,and we...uh..we conquered these places rightfully like,it's ours"
 
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It is not easy to destroy a US base in the region. You need to check the size of one and how much firepower a well-defended base can absorb. This is assuming that US will allow any country to destroy its bases in the Middle East. Some of you think about war in very narrow WW1 style sling shot terms.

They will be decimated and turned into a pit

The U.S can obviously hit Iranian targets s,, but In response Iran will destroy any American targets within reach

Iran will take damage, but without a staging area and months upon months of U.S and coalition buildup which need to go untargeted by the Iranians, the U.S has NO HOPE beyond a actual nuclear strike
 
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It is not easy to destroy a US base in the region. You need to check the size of one and how much firepower a well-defended base can absorb. This is assuming that US will allow any country to destroy its bases in the Middle East. Some of you think about war in very narrow WW1 style sling shot terms.

True

But still f*ck USA (Israel's b!tch)
 
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They will be decimated and turned into a pit

The U.S can obviously hit Iranian targets s,, but In response Iran will destroy any American targets within reach

Iran will take damage, but without a staging area and months upon months of U.S and coalition buildup which need to go untargeted by the Iranians, the U.S has NO HOPE beyond a actual nuclear strike

They have ! Retreat....
 
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