[Gallery] Iran - Iraq war

[The SiLent crY]

I am not offensive but real, there is a difference, you showed Iraq like it was wiped out in few minutes without resistance. Iraq sucked at all of it's wars and that's due to factors, mainly for appointing generals based on their loyalty rather than professionalism, and following eastern doctrine in building up massive numbers on the expense of quality and training. But Iran even sucked more at the war and got massive losses.

What were you talking? You simply were saying that Arabs can't fight and they always get beaten up, and that's not true, they lost wars in 20th century but who haven't lost wars? why do you ignore all that long history filled with glorious victories being thought in Western and Eastern war academies until now after hundreds of years?


Sources plz.

Fair ennough.

OH Really, it's like you don't know what happened to Iraq after 1990?!


You won battles but what about the war.


I think sources are available, I get you more numbers, but let it to people to check, however, when I want to read about wars I avoid reading it from involved parties sources even wars my country involved in because I am intrested in the truth not imagery victories and heroism.

I actually don't agree with your view about Iranians . You wrote about everything except the reason of fighting and you never mentioned the motivation for War , Iranians fought for their belief , country and family but unlike them Iraqis were fighting for Saddam and his western allies' dreams . Motivation is the most important factor in every war that Iraqis didn't have . You don't know that most of Iranian women sent their sons and husbands to the war happily and some even didn't cry when saw their dead bodies coming back cos of their faith and the value of Jihad in their belief but Unlike them can bring you countless reasons that Iraqis were fighting because of the fear of being executed , their families being raped or executed by Saddam Guard and that's why thousands of them especially shia ones escaped to Iran and fought against Saddam ( these people and their families were sent to Karaj and lived there ) . Go and read the books written by Iraqis after war or during captivity , They clearly mentioned they didn't want to fight against Iranians and couldn't run to Iranians as they would be counted as betrayers . You can exactly see the fear in them , mostly fear and concern for their family and children not themselves . You cant expect such soldiers to fight bravely for you .

About the source , this picture was taken after the liberation of Khorramshahr :

This is the source .

After all , You didn't mention that Iraq was completely armed , trained and equipped for the war while Iran was in Crisis and just 11000 soldiers were in western borders . again you didn't mention that Iranian air force was equipped and in a good condition for the the 1st 3 months of war and since then every single missile was limited and there was no sign of support . again you didn't mentioned the west and east supporting Iraq .

Iran was both the winner and loser of war while Iraqis ( Iraqi people not their mad leader ) were losers . Iran won cos It could first defend itself against a full armed army and show the word war would not be easy with this nation . Secondly , You need to read the history of war while Basra was gonna be captured by Iranians in the last months of war which was not in the west's program and that made the US come in a direct war and bomb Iranian forces in Fav and around there ( please don't say Iraq won cos the Iraqi army collapsed in Khorramshahr liberation and their air force had been destroyed sooner and they had no chance in Persian Gulf cos their navy was wiped out in Morvarid Operation )
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In the other hand , Iran was loser cos got behind for at least 15 years . Our economy , industry and education was destroyed while we could use the energy of the revolution for advancing and building the country .

 

[The SiLent crY]

what remained for Iraqis was embarrassment while all the Iranians no difference if they are against or pro government are proud of their martyrs and respect them till the end of world .

These pictures show the difference between 2 sides , Iranian mothers gifting their youth and even don't cry on their dead bodies . Can you find such pictures in the whole Arabian History ?

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I just wanna ask you , who will remember Iraqi soldiers in Iran-Iraq war ? Even in their own country no one is proud of them .

 

[The SiLent crY]

Iranian martyrs' tombs after 30 years :

 

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[The SiLent crY]

one of the important events happened during Iran-Iraq war was murdering hundreds of Iranian unarmed pilgrims by Saudi Arabian regime which hasn't been forgotten from Iranians' minds .

 

[The SiLent crY]

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Memorial and Tombs of The Bloody Friday's martyrs in Iran

Apart from the ones were murdered , many Iranian women were disappeared and raped who never came back to their country and their families have been waiting for them since then . None of the media controlled by the west or arabian countries published the truth about that day and mostly accused Iranians to start the tension .

 

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Memorial and Tombs of The Bloody Friday's martyrs in Iran

Apart from the ones were murdered , many Iranian women were disappeared and raped who never came back to their country and their families have been waiting for them since then . None of the media controlled by the west or arabian countries published the truth about that day and mostly accused Iranians to start the tension .

Look, Haj is one of the most important Islam practices for Muslims and it's purely for worshiping Allah and not a place to practice your Mullahs agenda, ruining this place will never be tolerated. Believe me, if it wasn't Saudi security forces who confronted them it would had definitely other Hujajs who would finish double of who had died. So you have to understand that this game is very dangerous and it gets from players to play it only once.

1987 Mecca incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The video of the incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiP_0vzSRZk

Iranian Hujaj smuggling explosives:

 

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Song for the martyrs:

 

[The SiLent crY]

Look, Haj is one of the most important Islam practices for Muslims and it's purely for worshiping Allah and not a place to practice your Mullahs agenda, ruining this place will never be tolerated. Believe me, if it wasn't Saudi security forces who confronted them it would had definitely other Hujajs who would finish double of who had died. So you have to understand that this game is very dangerous and it gets from players to play it only once.

1987 Mecca incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The video of the incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiP_0vzSRZk

Iranian Hujaj smuggling drugs:

Firstly , Iranians were peacefully demonstrating ( Distancing Ourselves from Mushrikīn ) that Friday after the pray .

Secondly , It was Saudi Arabians forces brought tension and started hitting Iranians cos they didn't like Iranians chanting against their Holy uncle saM and Israeli friends .

Thirdly , You wrote this :Believe me, if it wasn't Saudi security forces who confronted them it would had definitely other Hujajs who would finish double of who had died .

Please tell me who would do that ? Muslim pilgrims from other countries ? or the Wahhabi warriors who'd been sharping their teeth for shia people ?

Your source is this ?1987 Mecca incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Really ?!

Who writes the Wikipedia articles ?

You also wrote this : So you have to understand that this game is very dangerous and it gets from players to play it only once.



Would you please tell me which game is dangerous ? If you mean a peaceful demonstration against the US , so you're fooling both yourself and me cos such demonstrations might happen in every Muslim country especially when the tensions rise .

The videos you posed were taken from Saudi media and there is no need to write about their anti shia activities .

The second video is not about what we're discussing , there are several hounded thousands of Iranian pilgrims visiting mecca every year and there might be a few crazy ones like them . Do that mean all the Iranians are addicted or taking drugs ?

If you posted that to show Iranians like that again you're fooling yourself and trying to fool others too cos the previous posts about Iran - Iraq war exactly shows what kind of people Iranians are and all you can find in the pictures in faith .

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Firstly , Iranians were peacefully demonstrating ( Distancing Ourselves from Mushrikīn ) that Friday after the pray .

Secondly , It was Saudi Arabians forces brought tension and started hitting Iranians cos they didn't like Iranians chanting against their Holy uncle saM and Israeli friends .

Thirdly , You wrote this :Believe me, if it wasn't Saudi security forces who confronted them it would had definitely other Hujajs who would finish double of who had died .

Please tell me who would do that ? Muslim pilgrims from other countries ? or the Wahhabi warriors who'd been sharping their teeth for shia people ?

Your source is this ?1987 Mecca incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Really ?!

Who writes the Wikipedia articles ?

You also wrote this : So you have to understand that this game is very dangerous and it gets from players to play it only once.



Would you please tell me which game is dangerous ? If you mean a peaceful demonstration against the US , so you're fooling both yourself and me cos such demonstrations might happen in every Muslim country especially when the tensions rise .

The videos you posed were taken from Saudi media and there is no need to write about their anti shia activities .

The second video is not about what we're discussing , there are several hounded thousands of Iranian pilgrims visiting mecca every year and there might be a few crazy ones like them . Do that mean all the Iranians are addicted or taking drugs ?

If you posted that to show Iranians like that again you're fooling yourself and trying to fool others too cos the previous posts about Iran - Iraq war exactly shows what kind of people Iranians are and all you can find in the pictures in faith .

The terrorists hided knives, broken glasses and stick and many were killed and injured by them in the most sacred place in the world, they deserve more than what happened to them.

There is no such thing as "Wahabi", it's a term you people use so don't feel that you are the only minority among Muslims. Saudi are so soft with you compared with Muslims in other countries in that incident.

Next time try to chant at your own home against the US and Israel for a couple of years before coming to Haj and you can continue the rest of your life after returning home, but keep Allah home clean from your acts.

 

[The SiLent crY]

The terrorists hided knives, broken glasses and stick and many were killed and injured by them in the most sacred place in the world, they deserve more than what happened to them.

There is no such thing as "Wahabi", it's a term you people use so don't feel that you are the only minority among Muslims. Saudi are so soft with you compared with Muslims in other countries in that incident.

Next time try to chant at your own home against the US and Israel for a couple of years before coming to Haj and you can continue the rest of your life after returning home, but keep Allah home clean from your acts.

more message you post , more racism and hate of shiism appears .

This is what you posted ( Wikipedia )while its not telling the whole truth but you can find what happened that day .

On Friday July 31, 1987, the demonstration by Iranian pilgrims against the "enemies of Islam" (including the U.S. and Israel), started amid heightened security. The march was uneventful until towards the end of the planned route, where the demonstrators found their way blocked by Saudi riot police and National Guardsmen. At this point, some of the Iranians began to call for the demonstrations to press ahead and continue to the Great Mosque. While this was happening, unidentified persons began harassing the Iranian pilgrims by throwing bricks and other objects at them from a nearby location. These factors exacerbated the situation, escalating it into a violent clash between the Iranian pilgrims and Saudi security, with the Saudis reportedly using truncheons and electric prods and the Iranians using knives and clubs.
Saudi security personnel reportedly opened fire on the demonstrators, a charge which Saudi officials deny. The rioting, and the resulting stampede caused a reported 402 dead (275 Iranians, 85 Saudis including policemen, and 42 pilgrims from other countries) and 649 wounded (303 Iranians, 145 Saudis and 201 other nationals).

The details of the riot are controversial. Iranian officials maintain that the Saudis had fired on the protesters without provocation, and that the demonstrations had been peaceful. Saudi officials insist that no shots were fired, and that all deaths were caused by the melee and stampede.


On August 1, 1987, a spontaneous demonstration by enraged Iranians ended with attacks on the Kuwaiti and Saudi embassies in Tehran. On the same day, the Iranian leader Khomeini called on Saudis to overthrow the House of Saud to avenge the pilgrims' deaths. In a Washington news conference, the Saudi ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan claimed that "not one bullet was fired," blaming the violence on the Iranian pilgrims who he accused of "brandishing knives, clubs and broken glass drawn from beneath their cloaks." According to Dr. Robert O. Freedman, Professor of Political Science at Baltimore Hebrew University: "Later on, however, Iranian officials displayed the bullet wounds in the victims' bodies, which proved that the Saudis had indeed used firearms." Robin Wright also reports that "Many of the Iranian bodies, shown to American and European reporters immediately upon their return to Tehran, had bullet punctures".

 

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The terrorists hided knives, broken glasses and stick and many were killed and injured by them in the most sacred place in the world, they deserve more than what happened to them.

There is no such thing as "Wahabi", it's a term you people use so don't feel that you are the only minority among Muslims. Saudi are so soft with you compared with Muslims in other countries in that incident.

Next time try to chant at your own home against the US and Israel for a couple of years before coming to Haj and you can continue the rest of your life after returning home, but keep Allah home clean from your acts.

oldmen and women hiding knife and glass??
haj is where you have to show your hatred toward the kaffirs and enemies.this is a known belief.but saudi rats and their zionist supporters take this islamic belief as illegal...
have some shame zionist..

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

more message you post , more racism and hate of shiism appears .

This is what you posted ( Wikipedia )while its not telling the whole truth but you can find what happened that day .

On Friday July 31, 1987, the demonstration by Iranian pilgrims against the "enemies of Islam" (including the U.S. and Israel), started amid heightened security. The march was uneventful until towards the end of the planned route, where the demonstrators found their way blocked by Saudi riot police and National Guardsmen. At this point, some of the Iranians began to call for the demonstrations to press ahead and continue to the Great Mosque. While this was happening, unidentified persons began harassing the Iranian pilgrims by throwing bricks and other objects at them from a nearby location. These factors exacerbated the situation, escalating it into a violent clash between the Iranian pilgrims and Saudi security, with the Saudis reportedly using truncheons and electric prods and the Iranians using knives and clubs.
Saudi security personnel reportedly opened fire on the demonstrators, a charge which Saudi officials deny. The rioting, and the resulting stampede caused a reported 402 dead (275 Iranians, 85 Saudis including policemen, and 42 pilgrims from other countries) and 649 wounded (303 Iranians, 145 Saudis and 201 other nationals).

The details of the riot are controversial. Iranian officials maintain that the Saudis had fired on the protesters without provocation, and that the demonstrations had been peaceful. Saudi officials insist that no shots were fired, and that all deaths were caused by the melee and stampede.


On August 1, 1987, a spontaneous demonstration by enraged Iranians ended with attacks on the Kuwaiti and Saudi embassies in Tehran. On the same day, the Iranian leader Khomeini called on Saudis to overthrow the House of Saud to avenge the pilgrims' deaths. In a Washington news conference, the Saudi ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan claimed that "not one bullet was fired," blaming the violence on the Iranian pilgrims who he accused of "brandishing knives, clubs and broken glass drawn from beneath their cloaks." According to Dr. Robert O. Freedman, Professor of Political Science at Baltimore Hebrew University: "Later on, however, Iranian officials displayed the bullet wounds in the victims' bodies, which proved that the Saudis had indeed used firearms." Robin Wright also reports that "Many of the Iranian bodies, shown to American and European reporters immediately upon their return to Tehran, had bullet punctures".

You were simply going to turn Kabaa into a squire of demonstrations cursing others. Keep your beleef to yourselves. While you were ruining the haj pretending to curse Israel you were buying weapons from them to kill Iraqi Muslims!!!!!!!!!